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HQ-2

Company Master-Displacer Field, Artificer armor, Lion's Roar
Librarian-level 2 ,digital weapons

Elites-2

5x Termies- chainfist , assault cannon
Ven Dread-Drop Pod

Troops-5

2-ten man tac squads-plasma pistol, Cannon and gun (DV squads)
10 man tac- multi-melta, flamer , Plasma pistol, p-sword, rhino
10 man tac- flamer, Heavy bolter, Power fist, rhino
5 man scouts- 4 snipers, 1 missile launcher, camo cloaks

Heavy Support-2

2 Whirlwinds

Fast Attack-1

Dark Talon



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I tried the list against an ork list that had 30 boy mob with mad dok, two groups of 15 lootas , 1 group of 15 grots and 1 of 20 grots , a big mek and a stompa.
all he had left was 10 lootas, mad dok, 3 HP Stompa and Big Mek
He won by 2 for line breaker and first blood
we were playing dawn of war relic with no terrain in the center sooooo...

Killing troops is fine, but you need a bit more AT.

Your company master could just take a storm shield over a displacer field. It costs less and you can still have a BP+CCW(which your trading for the lion's roar). You also don't have the weird displacement effect, which can be beneficial but is not worth the extra cost. The lion's roar is ok but not great. Probably better off with a named character as most chapter masters are meh. Decent to keep your warlord alive I guess. For not that much more you could just get Azreal or Belial...

Libby probably needs terminator armor or a bike. Either way drop digital weapons and consider a powerfield gen or at least a conversion field.

Terminators are fine, and the dread is OK but probably does not need to be venerable. If your going stock to drop, take a heavy flamer over the storm bolter.

Plasma pistols are rarely worth it, and never worth it on single wound models. A combi plasma will do the job just fine(use it as counts as) or just go without it.

2 whirlwinds should cover your anti horde just fine, so long as you hide them. Because of that you can leave the dark talon at home. Sub in...basically anything with long ranged AT or speed(bikes with melta, terminators...)

I don't like it so I'll provide some critique.

1) plasma pistol, ditch em they aren't useful take a combi plasma
2) the day 6 terminators accomplish anything in a 1850pts game is the day I think the eldar codex is "balanced". Their not going to do much for you, drop em (company master is fine but lose the termie armor)
3) too many whirlys drop a single whirlwind

Now on to adding things:
1) add one vindicator with shield. This will add AT and still let you handle mobs
2) add a squad of veterans with a drop pod, give them a power axe, flamer, and a combi melta
3) give your company master a power sword, and a relic of the unforgiven
4) ven dread gets a flamer
5) add one veteran and give him a combi melta as well.

New total 1248/1250

Here's what you have now:

Your veterans and master as a rapid reaction force. They pod and drop where needed. If your enemy is foolish then they can gang up with dready n faceroll as a tag team.

Vindicator and whirly do what they do best and handout pieplates

Talon supports the troops on the ground as best it can

Troops score and do what they can to stop the enemy from scoring.

The librarian goes with whoever

The vindicatior will also help deal with the stompa thanks to its str 8 ap2 large pieplate

 ionusx wrote:
I don't like it so I'll provide some critique.

1) plasma pistol, ditch em they aren't useful take a combi plasma
2) the day 6 terminators accomplish anything in a 1850pts game is the day I think the eldar codex is "balanced". Their not going to do much for you, drop em (company master is fine but lose the termie armor)
3) too many whirlys drop a single whirlwind

Now on to adding things:
1) add one vindicator with shield. This will add AT and still let you handle mobs
2) add a squad of veterans with a drop pod, give them a power axe, flamer, and a combi melta
3) give your company master a power sword, and a relic of the unforgiven
4) ven dread gets a flamer
5) add one veteran and give him a combi melta as well.

New total 1248/1250

Here's what you have now:

Your veterans and master as a rapid reaction force. They pod and drop where needed. If your enemy is foolish then they can gang up with dready n faceroll as a tag team.

Vindicator and whirly do what they do best and handout pieplates

Talon supports the troops on the ground as best it can

Troops score and do what they can to stop the enemy from scoring.

The librarian goes with whoever

The vindicatior will also help deal with the stompa thanks to its str 8 ap2 large pieplate

why only 1250?

Dat's a typo ya git, soooraaayyy forz tryinz to helps at 730orky(am) wen I been busy stompin all night and wants to tales a nap in me loot pile

If there are no terrain on the board, you can make your own by positioning and letting your rhinos get glanced to death.

Yeah you give up first blood, but the opponent (specially a shooty one like Tau) will get mad when they shoot your rhino's do death and then you use them as cover to grab relics or objectives.

Since it's largely green wing, why not drop one of the Whirlies for a fat dev sqaud to drop the Libby into? Maybe Lazzies or Rockets. You would have to tweak some other points from here or there but it could give you a nice anchor to your AV needs.

Or take a land raider redeemer (deathwing upgrade) with the following passengers:
1 Librarian with Power field generator
1 techmarine with servo harness and 3 servitors

Then you get a land raider with a 4+ invuln save that is guarantied to repair a hull point, weapon or immobilized per turn that may also force enemy to re-roll on the damage vehicle result (if you want).

ShadarLogoth wrote:
Since it's largely green wing, why not drop one of the Whirlies for a fat dev sqaud to drop the Libby into? Maybe Lazzies or Rockets. You would have to tweak some other points from here or there but it could give you a nice anchor to your AV needs.

Whirlwind is a superior weapon to everything but the vindicator for dealing with blobs of troops. A whirly might kill them, a vindI will kill them.
And to the guy talkin bout land raiders. A techmarine can take a pfg. The librarian isn't needed.

i disagree give the librarian divination use the primaris, and the one that gives you overwatch at normal BS and the one tat make all shots at a group rending ( for the bigger things)

For troop killing there is nothing greater than a fragioso in a drop pod. Take 2 and something else in a DP and you've got two of those bad boys laying waste to your enemy. I lost 6 nurgle bikes to one turn 1. To say they're OP is a colossal understatement. Easily in my top 5 stupidest OP units in the game.

 Sothas wrote:
Easily in my top 5 stupidest OP units in the game.

What are your other four?

 Sothas wrote:
For troop killing there is nothing greater than a fragioso in a drop pod. Take 2 and something else in a DP and you've got two of those bad boys laying waste to your enemy. I lost 6 nurgle bikes to one turn 1. To say they're OP is a colossal understatement. Easily in my top 5 stupidest OP units in the game.

we can't take a furioso or the frag launcher.

The best dreads we can take are dw venerable. Their comparable in cc to the furioso (no blood talons). And they can mount the mighty might pc


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 Aurelian wrote:

 Sothas wrote:
Easily in my top 5 stupidest OP units in the game.

What are your other four?

probably that failtide, crysis suits, contempor mortis, and the mighty jàgeru the wave serpent.

 ionusx wrote:

 Sothas wrote:
For troop killing there is nothing greater than a fragioso in a drop pod. Take 2 and something else in a DP and you've got two of those bad boys laying waste to your enemy. I lost 6 nurgle bikes to one turn 1. To say they're OP is a colossal understatement. Easily in my top 5 stupidest OP units in the game.

we can't take a furioso or the frag launcher.

The best dreads we can take are dw venerable. Their comparable in cc to the furioso (no blood talons). And they can mount the mighty might pc


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 Aurelian wrote:

 Sothas wrote:
Easily in my top 5 stupidest OP units in the game.

What are your other four?

probably that failtide, crysis suits, contempor mortis, and the mighty jàgeru the wave serpent.

Apparently I can't read for gak and I'm a slow. I could have sworn the thread was BA not DA. Oh well.

My top 5... honestly haven't given the entire 5 much thought. I can't call the fragioso #1 just because of that. But I'd put hell turkeys and wave serpents on the list even though I use both. Of course the turkey got a pretty hearty nerf and I haven't faced it yet, only used it, and it felt a little under whelming. But I guess compared to what it was... Anyway, I'll have to get back to you on the others.

 Sothas wrote:

 ionusx wrote:

 Sothas wrote:
For troop killing there is nothing greater than a fragioso in a drop pod. Take 2 and something else in a DP and you've got two of those bad boys laying waste to your enemy. I lost 6 nurgle bikes to one turn 1. To say they're OP is a colossal understatement. Easily in my top 5 stupidest OP units in the game.

we can't take a furioso or the frag launcher.

The best dreads we can take are dw venerable. Their comparable in cc to the furioso (no blood talons). And they can mount the mighty might pc


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 Aurelian wrote:

 Sothas wrote:
Easily in my top 5 stupidest OP units in the game.

What are your other four?

probably that failtide, crysis suits, contempor mortis, and the mighty jàgeru the wave serpent.

Apparently I can't read for gak and I'm a slow. I could have sworn the thread was BA not DA. Oh well.

My top 5... honestly haven't given the entire 5 much thought. I can't call the fragioso #1 just because of that. But I'd put hell turkeys and wave serpents on the list even though I use both. Of course the turkey got a pretty hearty nerf and I haven't faced it yet, only used it, and it felt a little under whelming. But I guess compared to what it was... Anyway, I'll have to get back to you on the others.

the contempor mortis with kheres assault cannons are ridiculously powerful. what you get here for 200pts is a meq squishing walker better than most alternatives. But you also get 12 shots with twin linked and skyfire that can hit even the toughest flyers on 4's. He's basically projects a 36" no fly zone on the map and if you tempt fate your going to get wrecked. He's the sm's beat anti air weapon.

Crisis suits are annoying as all heck and if your opponent is smart and bring enough of them the riptide is very very powerful. They will shock you.