Chicago Loses It

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**Dreadclaw69**

purplefood wrote:
I assume one detonates a nuke with the express intention of damaging neighbouring properties...

And herein lies the problem. You cannot detonate a nuclear device without serious global ramifications

**Ensis Ferrae**

-Shrike- wrote:
Wow... And people actually want to live there?

There's the Blackhawks, and I guess hope for the Bulls and Cubs... plus, Da Bears

Beyond that... no fething clue. I enjoy where I live.... it's close enough that I can drive into the "big city" (Seattle) but not so close that I'm not neck deep in it.

**Jihadin**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
-Shrike- wrote:
Wow... And people actually want to live there?

There's the Blackhawks, and I guess hope for the Bulls and Cubs... plus, Da Bears

Beyond that... no fething clue. I enjoy where I live.... it's close enough that I can drive into the "big city" (Seattle) but not so close that I'm not neck deep in it.

About the Blackhawk thing. Did the hockey team get permission to use his name? 501st has permission from Geronimo family to use his name.

**Bullockist**

MrDwhitey wrote:
Only one or two of them though.

I'm a big proponent of tanks as a self defence weapon. Just park your tank in your front yard , local children get to play on it thereby reducing your chances of a random shooting whilst having people near your house all day reducing the amount of possible home invasions.
You can launch your own fireworks on holidays and if a neighbour has a problem you can drive over the top of their car whilst yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN".
Nothing also says "stay away, military nut here " like having a tank in your front yard.

Also they look cool.

You know it makes sense.

**Dreadclaw69**

Jihadin wrote:
About the Blackhawk thing. Did the hockey team get permission to use his name? 501st has permission from Geronimo family to use his name.

Lawsuit gets filed Thursday

**Chongara**

I too like to frame human suffering with sarcastic indifference. It highlights what a wonderful person I am.

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Its the pizza.

Should not have used a Chicago base advertising agency for Tombstone Pizza there

Godfather's Pizza was Da Bomb!

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Wait wait wait...

Are you saying I can't have a thermonuclear device?
(relocks the closet marked "open in case of Zombies or Medicine Quinn Medicine Woman remake")

**Jihadin**

Bullockist wrote:
MrDwhitey wrote:
Only one or two of them though.

I'm a big proponent of tanks as a self defence weapon. Just park your tank in your front yard , local children get to play on it thereby reducing your chances of a random shooting whilst having people near your house all day reducing the amount of possible home invasions.
You can launch your own fireworks on holidays and if a neighbour has a problem you can drive over the top of their car whilst yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN".
Nothing also says "stay away, military nut here " like having a tank in your front yard.

Also they look cool.

You know it makes sense.

About that..

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Following a second mass shooting at Fort Hood, at least one lawmaker thinks a bill currently under consideration will ensure the safety of American communities by requiring the estimated 2.6 million unstable veterans who served in Iraq or Afghanistan to tell their neighbors of their combat service.

The Fortify & Unite Communities to Keep Veterans’ External Threats Secure Act (H.R. 1874) which was introduced on Tuesday, would require military veterans to register with the Department of Homeland Security and periodically “check-in” with a case officer, in addition to going door-to-door in their neighborhood to notify people nearby that they are a powder keg of post traumatic stress, alcoholism, murder, and hate just waiting to blow.

“We really feel that we can drastically minimize the damage to some communities, especially those in troubled ‘PTSD hotspots‘ that have become a haven for these psychopathic troops,” said Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.), who sponsored the legislation. “We are so thankful for their service, and now they can continue to serve on veterans probation.”

For the safety of communities, the FCC would also direct cable providers to block access to violent war content popular among veterans, to include The Military Channel and Lifetime. Further, a preliminary letter details instructions sent to providers to censor movies such as “Black Hawk Down” and “Saving Private Ryan” so as “not to place a veteran into a potentially violent mental state and protect the community by not ‘poking the bear.’”

The bill is up for vote in the House Veterans Affairs Committee next Thursday where watchers say it’s likely to pass before going to the floor for a full vote. However, there’s been some controversy surrounding one part of the bill barring veterans from living within 1,000 feet of bars, gun ranges, or liquor stores, as critics claim this would be unfair to local businesses.

Lawmakers are still debating a requirement that veterans need approval before moving to a new community they would eventually terrorize. An amendment requiring case officers to place crazed veterans in a locked safe room for the 24 hours of Independence Day and New Years Eve had already passed

**Bullockist**

errr. Jihadin that has to be from that military satire site isn't it? Isn't it?

I can see that integration of vets into communities will be easier when they have to walk up to people and tell them they have PTSD. Nothing like making people unsure of vets to reduce vets alienation (or stigma)in the community.

That's just madness. I mean, have you ever met someone with a mental illness who mentions it within 5 minutes of meeting you? It doesn't tend to reassure (illogical though that inherent stigma is)

**BlaxicanX**

dereksatkinson wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
Indeed. Hence why Texas and Florida have the second and third highest gun-murder rates in the Country respectively while Illinois has the 8th highest rate.

That is a misrepresentation. Texas has the 2nd most murders but it's actually middle of the pack when it comes to their murder rate per 100k individuals. Not to mention that Texas has 35.9% gun ownership which is the 21st lowest ownership rate in the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Oh.. and i'm sure drug smuggling might influence those numbers a bit... http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/DRRC.PDF

It's almost as poor a representation as using some killings from a single to comment on gun-control laws is.

**sebster**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Is this reminding anyone of Detroit in the 80's/90's?

Detroit was a single industry city, and that industry no longer had economic benefits to be centred in a single city. This led to economic decline, then to poverty, and then to crime, each one feeding off the others in a feedback loop.

Chicago is a central transport hub in US industry and agriculture, and this means it is also a major transport hub for the distribution of drugs. That drug trade drives the violence, but that violence doesn't increase the other factors, so there's no feedback loop and the result is nothing at all like Detroit.

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
I'd be interested in meeting the person who has;
- the facilities to safely and securely store such a device
- has the means to maintain such a device (including the hire of skilled labour)
- has the property to detonate such a device on without impacting neighboring properties

I too would like to meet Warren Buffet but if I did manage to meet the man I don't think I'd spend much time talking about nuclear weapons and whether or not he's planned to purchase and maintain one.

**kronk**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
-Shrike- wrote:
Wow... And people actually want to live there?

There's the Blackhawks, and I guess hope for the Bulls and Cubs... plus, Da Bears

Beyond that... no fething clue. I enjoy where I live.... it's close enough that I can drive into the "big city" (Seattle) but not so close that I'm not neck deep in it.

I moved here because that's where my company's HQ and R&D facilities are located when I got promoted.

I love the job, but it sucks here. I'd rather be back in Houston, TX.

But Chicago does have:

**Dreadclaw69**

sebster wrote:
Chicago is a central transport hub in US industry and agriculture, and this means it is also a major transport hub for the distribution of drugs. That drug trade drives the violence, but that violence doesn't increase the other factors, so there's no feedback loop and the result is nothing at all like Detroit.

Then perhaps we should focus our efforts on combating violence driven by drugs and gangs

**ironicsilence**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
sebster wrote:
Chicago is a central transport hub in US industry and agriculture, and this means it is also a major transport hub for the distribution of drugs. That drug trade drives the violence, but that violence doesn't increase the other factors, so there's no feedback loop and the result is nothing at all like Detroit.

Then perhaps we should focus our efforts on combating violence driven by drugs and gangs

thats actually part of what has gotten Chicago in our current pickle. One of the big things former mayor Daily did was crack down hard on the gangs, he took the cut off the snakes head approach and was actually really successful in locking up a lot of gang leaders, but just assumed that with the leaders taken out the gangs would fall apart...which is the opposite of what happened, you basically got a bunch of low level dumb thugs climbing up the ranks and taking leadership positions and a dumb gun carrying thug isnt very good at running a gang

**Easy E**

So, what is the best policing strategy to deal the the problem? Is it better to roll-up the minions or the overlords?

**ironicsilence**

Easy E wrote:
So, what is the best policing strategy to deal the the problem? Is it better to roll-up the minions or the overlords?

I wish i had the answer, all I know is Chicago really needs to go on the offensive because they are loosing badly, theres a reason the chicago media is always bringing up the Nuclear option in the war on Gangs, which is deploying the National Guard. As a combat veteran from the National Guard I cant express enough how much of a bad idea that is but I think it helps to put into perspective just how ineffective the Chicago government has been that some people are calling for the Military to help. I think they need to appeal to the federal government for help, get the FBI, the ATF, homeland security all pulled in and start launching some serious raids. Start locking up the bad guys, start seizing all the illegal guns. I dont want to pull in the gun control debate here but Mayor Rahm's favorite thing to do is blame Chicago/IL's "lax" gun laws for the problem because it makes for a good political talking point and gives an excuse for his inability to stop the problem. I'm not smart enough to understand how stricter gun laws will prevent people who dont follow the laws from getting guns and killing each other.

Sadly in chicago anyways theres always an excuse for nothing being able to solve the problem, whether its the gun laws, or resourcing, or the already over crowded IL jails, or the lack of rehab in our prison systems. Rahm needs to stop pointing the figure at why he cant stop the violence and just start doing something about it

**Ouze**

kronk wrote:
But Chicago does have:

That looks like a nice casserole.

I prefer pizza, myself.

**d-usa**

ironicsilence wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
sebster wrote:
Chicago is a central transport hub in US industry and agriculture, and this means it is also a major transport hub for the distribution of drugs. That drug trade drives the violence, but that violence doesn't increase the other factors, so there's no feedback loop and the result is nothing at all like Detroit.

Then perhaps we should focus our efforts on combating violence driven by drugs and gangs

thats actually part of what has gotten Chicago in our current pickle. One of the big things former mayor Daily did was crack down hard on the gangs, he took the cut off the snakes head approach and was actually really successful in locking up a lot of gang leaders, but just assumed that with the leaders taken out the gangs would fall apart...which is the opposite of what happened, you basically got a bunch of low level dumb thugs climbing up the ranks and taking leadership positions and a dumb gun carrying thug isnt very good at running a gang

Makes you end up wondering it 5 big successful gangs are better than 10 smaller gangs.

**Dreadclaw69**

ironicsilence wrote:
thats actually part of what has gotten Chicago in our current pickle. One of the big things former mayor Daily did was crack down hard on the gangs, he took the cut off the snakes head approach and was actually really successful in locking up a lot of gang leaders, but just assumed that with the leaders taken out the gangs would fall apart...which is the opposite of what happened, you basically got a bunch of low level dumb thugs climbing up the ranks and taking leadership positions and a dumb gun carrying thug isnt very good at running a gang

Nature abhors a vacuum. With a gang's leader gone there was always the risk that there would be more violence as people wanted to climb the ranks, as old grudges were settled, or gangs fragmented and fought for territory. Pressure should have been kept on the gangs.

**ironicsilence**

Honestly given chicago's reputation for political corruption at this point I'd support some sort of back ally deal with the gangs, layoff turning the city into a warzone in exchange for the police "looking the other way" from time to time

**Easy E**

We basically need a Sunni Awakening with the street gangs? I.e. pay them off to stop killing people?

Interesting.

**Dreadclaw69**

Easy E wrote:
We basically need a Sunni Awakening with the street gangs? I.e. pay them off to stop killing people?

Interesting.

Or we stop the ridiculous War on Drugs that is helping fuel the problem

**Jihadin**

Stop the war on drugs and use the funds to help seal the southern border being its almost coming across unhindered with the illegal immigration crisis drawing majority of CBP

**sarpedons-right-hand**

Whoa, after reading all this I'm glad my wife turned down a job in Chicago a few weeks ago....

**Jihadin**

I hate going through Chicago. Same as Milwaukee. The Chicago Police Chief says the fault is proliferation of weapons in Chicago. From what I'm hearing they do not enforce the current gun laws in Chicago.

**sarpedons-right-hand**

Jihadin wrote:
I hate going through Chicago. Same as Milwaukee. The Chicago Police Chief says the fault is proliferation of weapons in Chicago. From what I'm hearing they do not enforce the current gun laws in Chicago.

So, I have to wonder, why the heck not enforce them? That's the job of the police surely...

**Jihadin**

Case load. Basically the justice system in Chicago is overwhelmed.

**sarpedons-right-hand**

So it appears that another city is going down the red tape highway...

Seems a real shame. Although it could have been just one weekend of absolute craziness. Couldn't it?

**ironicsilence**

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
So it appears that another city is going down the red tape highway...

Seems a real shame. Although it could have been just one weekend of absolute craziness. Couldn't it?

its actually a pretty common, though big numbers like this are generally reserved for holidays

**Dreadclaw69**

Jihadin wrote:
I hate going through Chicago. Same as Milwaukee. The Chicago Police Chief says the fault is proliferation of weapons in Chicago. From what I'm hearing they do not enforce the current gun laws in Chicago.

You know what solves that? More gun laws