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So I'm still convinced that AM have the most firepower of any Dex whilst Eldar are the best at grabbing objectives. So I'm trying to marry up those strengths:

Pask: Punisher, MMs, LC 425
Executioner: PCs

Veterans: autocannon 70
Veterans: 60
Veterans: 60

3 Wyverns 195
3 Wyverns 195
Deathstrike 170

Autarch: Jetbike, Mantle, fusiongun, laser lance, banshee mask, Shard 180

3 Jetbikes 51
3 Jetbikes 51
3 Jetbikes 51
3 Jetbikes 51
3 Jetbikes 51

Wraithknight 240

Deathstrike to pancake stuff, with more S10 from the Knight. 8 OS units 5 of which can move 48" in a turn. Autarch to finish units off and be a nuisance. Pask to just be Pask.

The one thing I'm not 100% on is the Deathstrike. I like it and think it has huge damage potential just worried by the size of the template and the proximity of my Eldar units. I could drop it and a unit of Vets and get a 2nd Wraithknight or drop it and get some AT into the Vet units (dropping the AC getting 3 Tauroxes and 3 meltas).

 FlingitNow wrote:


The one thing I'm not 100% on is the Deathstrike. I like it and think it has huge damage potential just worried by the size of the template and the proximity of my Eldar units. I could drop it and a unit of Vets and get a 2nd Wraithknight or drop it and get some AT into the Vet units (dropping the AC getting 3 Tauroxes and 3 meltas).

I would go for the second knight. your vets don't need taxis, who's gonna be shooting them with 2 knights, 6 wyverns and pask's unit on the board?

oh btw, you are a terrible person.

Pask: Punisher, MMs, LC 425 
Executioner: PCs 

Veterans: 60 
Veterans: 60 

2 Wyverns 130
2 Wyverns 130
2 Wyverns 130

Autarch: Jetbike, Mantle, fusiongun, laser lance, banshee mask, Shard 180 

3 Jetbikes 51 
3 Jetbikes 51 
3 Jetbikes 51 
3 Jetbikes 51 
3 Jetbikes 51 

Wraithknight 240 
Wraithknight 240

How about that. 2 Knights, 6 Wyverns, Paskstar and Mantleseer giving 7 huge threats to deal with.

Naked vets is a terrible waste. I'd drop one bike squad and give your vets camo, snipers, and auto cannons. They're the cheapest BS 4 you'll get on the table.

How much damage do you expect that to do? Is that worth giving up VPs? Also giving them guns makes you want to put them in LoS of the enemy and a heavy weapon increases foot print. So that is why they're naked they are just to hide on an objective hooefully out of LoS and GtG.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Pask: Punisher, MMs, LC 425 
Executioner: PCs 

Veterans: 60 
Veterans: 60 

2 Wyverns 130
2 Wyverns 130
2 Wyverns 130

Autarch: Jetbike, Mantle, fusiongun, laser lance, banshee mask, Shard 180 

3 Jetbikes 51 
3 Jetbikes 51 
3 Jetbikes 51 
3 Jetbikes 51 
3 Jetbikes 51 

Wraithknight 240 
Wraithknight 240

How about that. 2 Knights, 6 Wyverns, Paskstar and Mantleseer giving 7 huge threats to deal with.

You are an abysmal person.

Thats the one.

Cheers I assume that's meant as a compliment.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Cheers I assume that's meant as a compliment.

Always

In all honesty i'd refuse to play and happily forfeit against that list.

 FlingitNow wrote:
How much damage do you expect that to do? Is that worth giving up VPs? Also giving them guns makes you want to put them in LoS of the enemy and a heavy weapon increases foot print. So that is why they're naked they are just to hide on an objective hooefully out of LoS and GtG.

Then why not get a naked platoon for 10 pts more that gives you 3 units?


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I agree it's a horrible waste of BS4. And if your opponent is shooting at Vets to remove a heavy weapon (which if you position your guys on the ground correctly essentially means they need to wipe out the whole squad) over Jetbikes, LRBTs and the Wraiths then they have their targeting priorities waaay off

 colonel584 wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
How much damage do you expect that to do? Is that worth giving up VPs? Also giving them guns makes you want to put them in LoS of the enemy and a heavy weapon increases foot print. So that is why they're naked they are just to hide on an objective hooefully out of LoS and GtG.

Then why not get a naked platoon for 10 pts more that gives you 3 units?


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I agree it's a horrible waste of BS4. And if your opponent is shooting at Vets to remove a heavy weapon (which if you position your guys on the ground correctly essentially means they need to wipe out the whole squad) over Jetbikes, LRBTs and the Wraiths then they have their targeting priorities waaay off

A naked platoon is not 70 points. Remember I need 2 troops units.

Apologies was looking at the top list where you had 3 vet squads. You can lose two and get a naked platoon for 10 pts more is what I was referring to

That makes more sense now I've moved on from that. I have plenty of killing power in the list so I don't really see the Bs4 as being wasted as I don't need it. To make it work you generally want special weapons and a transport to get them into position alive.

I like this, seems creative and nasty, plus an army combination I haven't seen yet.

AstraDar!

A couple things.

An Autarch with that loadout is acutally 190 points, not 180.

I would drop the shard on the Autarch. A single model with LD 10 does not gain much from Fearless, you are already S6 AP3 on the charge with the Laser Lance. Having ID in a challenge is pretty cool, but given that, your opponent will probably just decline it. S5 Rending can be decent in the second round of combat before you Hit & Run, but 40 points is just too much for that. If you want a bit more punch on combat round 2, just take a Scorpion Chainsword (+1 S) for 3 points instead.

So if you drop the Shard, you are 30 points under. (Shard is 40, but you were already 10 over) Not sure what AM can do with 30 points, but that is 3 Shuriken cannons for the Jetbikes.

Man, this would be frustrating to fight, but I respect the work you've put into this.

Can't speak to the Eldar portion other than to repeat my previous point: this would be frustrating to fight.

As for the AM chunk, Veterans are the cheapest single squad troops you'll get in the codex. So if you're taking them solely to pay the tax required to get Wyverns, I understand. If you want them to live a bit, camo cloaks would help, and I think they're pretty cheap. But again, if they're just the required tax, I suppose they'll be sitting backfield hoping that no one notices them.

The Paskquisher and Executioner buddy is a nice loadout, I'd run it about that, maybe save a few points and run a Punisher with HB's all around, but that's personal preference.

Six Wyverns...christ on a cracker. I've used two in games before and they absolutely just WRECK everything they shoot at. Twin-linked, ignoring cover shredding blasts are just stupid good.

Honestly, if someone doesn't call you TFG for this list I'll be shocked. Great job (that isn't sarcasm).

Why not drop the deathstrike and add some anti flyer firepower from a Vendetta? Shove a vet squad in there instead as well.

Now with added assassination!

Pask: Punisher, MMs 415  
Executioner: PCs  

Veterans: 60  
Veterans: 60  

2 Wyverns 130 
2 Wyverns 130 
2 Wyverns 130 

Autarch: Jetbike, laser lance 95

3 Jetbikes 51  
3 Jetbikes 51  
3 Jetbikes 51  
3 Jetbikes 51  

Wraithknight 240  
Wraithknight 240 

Culexus Assassin 140

Last list is best. I dont prefer mantle autarch, to easily killed in combat. Setup above is good, cheap and can either tank for jet bikes, or at least a counter assualt unit. I would trade him for a farseer though, but not sure where you would find the 5 points. Farseer could, if nothing else, give your assasin warp charge to blast away with. Best case scenario is that he gives a wraith knight invisibility or fortune.

But the Farseer is slow and has no where to hide. So realistically I'd have to find 20 points. I am worried about the lack of ObSec at the moment though. It makes double TC'tan a bad match up.