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Ok so my question is, since all chaos psykers get the primaris of their patron god automatically if they are mastery lvl 1 can they roll on another discipline, besides their god's table, as they already have 50% of their powers from their god's table.... ie. the primaris fulfilling this quota.. i've looked through the FAQ's and i can't seems to find any clarification and the rule itself is a bit vague when translated into 7th... I suppose it could be argued that they specify "roll" but again that was 6th ed specific as no psyker auto qualified for a power (excluding I.C's of course).

This just seems a little scary as should your herald or any psyker turn into a greater unclean one for example and he generates off daemonology with the above query, say getting a 4 allowing him to summon another herald (make mastery lvl 1 again following the above mentioned and getting access to daemonology) who in turn could potentially summon more heralds/greater daemons/troop daemons ect, ect, ect... the knock on effect by turn say 3/4 would start becoming a bit monstrous....

thoughts, debates, arguements? go wild...

Edit* was asuming CSM.

They are required to "roll" a power on the chaos psychic table.

The power generated by chaos psychic focus is not rolled for, so it does not fulfill the requirement to "roll" on the chart.

Demons would get the primaris and also a roll on the charts

Sadly codex chaos space marines psykers must take a chaos power in addition to the primaris (that they get for free). The upside is they can get spell familiars for 15 points, and they rock in 7th.

Summoned daemons (and infact all daemons) that are psykers and from codex daemons get their primaris for free and then can take all the rest of their powers from daemonology if they so choose (although they will have to swap for the primaris on daemonology if they want it).

the only restriction is that a summoned unit cannot summon another unit until the next turn (pretty sure that bit is in the rules for summoned units).

so for daemons the above is possible.... hmm seems pretty powerful

 l1ttlej wrote:
so for daemons the above is possible.... hmm seems pretty powerful

Not really. All the chaos disciplines suck and because you have the Chaos Focus you don't get the regular Psychic Focus.

I dunno you can fire off all your witchfires now. I'm still trying to figure out that post and what the exact question is. I'm assuming it's whether Chaos Sorcerers ( not daemons) have to roll to get a power because automatically receives does not fulfill the requirement for the whole you have to roll.

well the initial psyker is sacrificed for say a greater daemon (so daemon or chaos sorcerer doesn't really matter), after that it's whether the following summoned mastery lvl 1 psykers will have to take powers from their chaos god or whether further summoning is possible...

 l1ttlej wrote:
well the initial psyker is sacrificed for say a greater daemon (so daemon or chaos sorcerer doesn't really matter), after that it's whether the following summoned mastery lvl 1 psykers will have to take powers from their chaos god or whether further summoning is possible...

Codex: Daemons never have to take powers from their god's discipline (but they will get Chaos Focus)

And by RAW of the rulebook they get psychic focus if they generate all their powers from a single discipline, as chaos psychic focus is not a generated power. But good luck getting people playing by the rules in the book, as most people are still sore about FMCs in 6th.

what does being sore about FMC in 7th have to do with generating psychic powers?

back on topic, chaos demons get their aligned power for free. being given something is not the same as generating it.
but if i generate (by rolling a d6) all of my powers from the same
discipline i then also get psychic focus.

example: herald of slaanesh mastery lvl 2.
gets the primaris power of slaanesh for free.
then i generate my 2 powers from telepathy.
i roll up terrify and dominate. i then also get the primaris, psychic scream. the herald now has 4 powers.

Doesn't it also say that you loose the psychic focus if you gain a power from another discipline?, meaning that daemons always have to swap for the primaris.

To comprehensively answer the OPs question I present the following (legal) scenario:

Disposable chaos sorcerer:
75 points for a level 1 unmarked sorc with a spell familiar (to ensure more reliable casting)
Turn 1
Sorc summons 10 horrors (take a wound from perils of the warp). Horrors choose to roll on daemonology which they swap for the primaris, they also get flickering fire for free.
Turn 2
Sorc summons 10 horrors (and he himself dies from perils of the warp)
Horrors summoned in turn 1 summons 10 more horrors
Turn 3
You now have 30 horrors (all with icons, unit champions and musicians) who can summon other daemons if they so choose. The equivalent cost would be around 310 points.

Don't worry though its not that OP because it is after all Pink Horrors we are talking about here who are good for standing on objectives and that's about all, it also means that you are pulling off WC 3 powers each turn so some additional (probably pretty rubbish themselves) psykers will need to power all the dice you are throwing at it. Theres only a 1 in 6 chance that a summoned horror unit will roll 'become a greater daemon' power (in which case you obviously wouldn't swap it for the primaris) and even if they do it is turn 3 before they can charge somebody as a Keeper of Secrets or Great Unclean One anyway.

 zachwho wrote:
what does being sore about FMC in 7th have to do with generating psychic powers?

back on topic, chaos demons get their aligned power for free. being given something is not the same as generating it.
but if i generate (by rolling a d6) all of my powers from the same
discipline i then also get psychic focus.

example: herald of slaanesh mastery lvl 2.
gets the primaris power of slaanesh for free.
then i generate my 2 powers from telepathy.
i roll up terrify and dominate. i then also get the primaris, psychic scream. the herald now has 4 powers.

I too am almost positive this is wrong. The way the BRB words it really makes it seem like they didnt want Daemons to be able to have psychic focus

See:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/600926.page

for more discussion on the Daemons and Chaos/Psychic Focus debate.

thanks for all the insight, appreciate the input.