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 Frankenberry wrote:



I enjoyed every word of this.

as did I

Wouldnt he just pop up again like every other perpetual, and jump back on the throne.
So not much would change

the ancient wrote:
Wouldnt he just pop up again like every other perpetual, and jump back on the throne.
So not much would change

No, he wouldn't. Otherwise there would be no need to keep a corpse on the throne.

Your best bet would be to have The Emperor reincarnate again as the Star Child profecy says, but for the time he would be useful again all the Imperium would be fethed beyond repair.

The Golden Throne failed means game over for humanity unless a major deus ex machina (missing primarchs return, The Emperor ascension) came in rescue.

The people that put him on the throne do not know he's a perpetual, because that aspect of the fluff was not written until long after his ascension to the golden throne was.

There were two kind of perpetuals though. If we have to take for good the fluff saying he asked himself to be interred, he probably wasn't the kind of regenerating one much than the reincarnating one, which would make more sense not only given the origins of The Emperor but even because he knew they couldn't possibly wait for him to reincarnate in that desperate situation.

Maybe the Emperor himself doesn't know he is a Perpetual? Vulkan didn't realize until well after he had already died many times.

I am split between the camp that the Emperor has already "died" acting from the warp as a god-like entity that he is and the camp that would be if the Emperor died, his ascension complete to the point where he would be rebirthed and the final battle for the galaxy would begin.

Nothing happens unless the powers at be in the Imperium want to bring about their own destruction. The Emperor is already dead. He has no power or control over anything. The Imperium just maintain a rotting corpse because of their fanatical religion. The Astronomicon is fueled by the sacrifice of the psykers.

Ohanka wrote:

Nothing happens unless the powers at be in the Imperium want to bring about their own destruction. The Emperor is already dead. He has no power or control over anything. The Imperium just maintain a rotting corpse because of their fanatical religion. The Astronomicon is fueled by the sacrifice of the psykers.

Even if the Emperor is dead, his spirit is still quite alive because of those fanatical zealots much like Chaos cultists fuel the Chaos gods. This is evidenced by the fact that people who invoke his name can manifest a power that hurts daemons and other non-Imperial forces. Look at what the Sisters due with just faith. I would say the Grey Knights but there is only one SM that sees the Emperor as a god and that is the Red Hunters.

 Envihon wrote:

Ohanka wrote:

Nothing happens unless the powers at be in the Imperium want to bring about their own destruction. The Emperor is already dead. He has no power or control over anything. The Imperium just maintain a rotting corpse because of their fanatical religion. The Astronomicon is fueled by the sacrifice of the psykers.

Even if the Emperor is dead, his spirit is still quite alive because of those fanatical zealots much like Chaos cultists fuel the Chaos gods. This is evidenced by the fact that people who invoke his name can manifest a power that hurts daemons and other non-Imperial forces. Look at what the Sisters due with just faith. I would say the Grey Knights but there is only one SM that sees the Emperor as a god and that is the Red Hunters.

There are many Chapters that revere the God-Emperor as a Divine Being:

The Fire Hawks are one, prior to becoming the LotD, having been one of the first to the fight during the Age of Apostasy, in support of Sebastian Thor (and did, in fact, get awarded a Heresy-era Battle Barge by him, iirc, as Vandire had destroyed their homeworld). (IA v9, C:UM 2E, WH40K Comp, WD 99, C:Assassins 3E)

The Adulators were mentioned in a Chapter Approved article, of which it is said (according to Lexicanum) "The chapter is steeped in the ways of the Ecclesiarchy and are on close terms with their holy orders". (Chapter Approved 2001, Blood of Asaheim(BL) )

The Angels Revenant were said to be "stern supporters of the Imperial Creed". (Chapter Approved 2001, IA v12)

The White Consuls also worship the Emperor as a god, which is noted for being unusual for the Astartes. (WH40K BRB 5E, C:UM, C: EoT, DW: Rites of Battle, C: SM 6E ebook)

The Doom Eagles are "notoriously pious". (DW: Honour the Chapter, Legends of the Space Marines anthology, several BL novels/stories)

The Fire Angels (a UM Successor) are zealously dedicated to the Creed. Of them, it is said, "they do not revere their ancestral primarch (Roboute Guilliman) as most chapters do, believing this to be a form of idolatry". (IA v9)

The Red Scorpions, who developed the Helios-pattern Land Raider, are seriously in the Emp-worshipping camp. (IA v4, v6, v7, v9, WD 101, WD 105)

And then there are the Storm Wardens, from FFG's Deathwatch RPG. Not a GW Chapter, obviously, but one more for the pile.

One can make arguments for the Angels Resplendent/Angels Penitent, the Brazen Skulls, the Celebrants, the Crimson Fists, the Templars of Blood, and the Novamarines, though these Chapters are not outright said to worship the God-Emperor (but elements to what lore there is about them suggests such an arrangement)

 Psienesis wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

Ohanka wrote:

Nothing happens unless the powers at be in the Imperium want to bring about their own destruction. The Emperor is already dead. He has no power or control over anything. The Imperium just maintain a rotting corpse because of their fanatical religion. The Astronomicon is fueled by the sacrifice of the psykers.

Even if the Emperor is dead, his spirit is still quite alive because of those fanatical zealots much like Chaos cultists fuel the Chaos gods. This is evidenced by the fact that people who invoke his name can manifest a power that hurts daemons and other non-Imperial forces. Look at what the Sisters due with just faith. I would say the Grey Knights but there is only one SM that sees the Emperor as a god and that is the Red Hunters.

There are many Chapters that revere the God-Emperor as a Divine Being:

The Fire Hawks are one, prior to becoming the LotD, having been one of the first to the fight during the Age of Apostasy, in support of Sebastian Thor (and did, in fact, get awarded a Heresy-era Battle Barge by him, iirc, as Vandire had destroyed their homeworld). (IA v9, C:UM 2E, WH40K Comp, WD 99, C:Assassins 3E)

The Adulators were mentioned in a Chapter Approved article, of which it is said (according to Lexicanum) "The chapter is steeped in the ways of the Ecclesiarchy and are on close terms with their holy orders". (Chapter Approved 2001, Blood of Asaheim(BL) )

The Angels Revenant were said to be "stern supporters of the Imperial Creed". (Chapter Approved 2001, IA v12)

The White Consuls also worship the Emperor as a god, which is noted for being unusual for the Astartes. (WH40K BRB 5E, C:UM, C: EoT, DW: Rites of Battle, C: SM 6E ebook)

The Doom Eagles are "notoriously pious". (DW: Honour the Chapter, Legends of the Space Marines anthology, several BL novels/stories)

The Fire Angels (a UM Successor) are zealously dedicated to the Creed. Of them, it is said, "they do not revere their ancestral primarch (Roboute Guilliman) as most chapters do, believing this to be a form of idolatry". (IA v9)

The Red Scorpions, who developed the Helios-pattern Land Raider, are seriously in the Emp-worshipping camp. (IA v4, v6, v7, v9, WD 101, WD 105)

And then there are the Storm Wardens, from FFG's Deathwatch RPG. Not a GW Chapter, obviously, but one more for the pile.

One can make arguments for the Angels Resplendent/Angels Penitent, the Brazen Skulls, the Celebrants, the Crimson Fists, the Templars of Blood, and the Novamarines, though these Chapters are not outright said to worship the God-Emperor (but elements to what lore there is about them suggests such an arrangement)

I see, well in the The Emperor's Gift they state when the Red Hunters refer to the Emperor as God-Emperor the Grey Knights are taken aback a bit but I guess one should repharse that to the Red Hunters are one of the few chapters that revere the Emperor as a God. I thought it strange that some of the off-shoots would eventually do this despite being SM,

 Judge Dredd wrote:

the ancient wrote:
Wouldnt he just pop up again like every other perpetual, and jump back on the throne.
So not much would change

No, he wouldn't. Otherwise there would be no need to keep a corpse on the throne.

Your assuming its a corpse, mr choas Personally i think its Russ. Well the throne is just a giant Akashic Reader anyway. It just hasn't found out everything yet

Huron usurps Abaddon, leads Chaos into one final crusade, and nearly destroy the imperium only to be saved by returning primarchs and their forces.

If the primarchs are returning I'm sure ALL the living primarchs would be returning

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Should GW ever advance the fluff (unlikely, I know), don't be shocked to learn that the Big E died centuries ago, and has evolved to a full power in the Warp thanks to the belief in his divinity by the bulk of humanity, thus explaining the Astronomicon never faltering.

If this is right, and the Emprah is now like a warp god thing due to people's belief, then does that mean that Humans have WAAGH energy too? I think that's a little far-fetched. Probably the Emprah is just dead and sitting on a Golden Throne, which is actually keeping the astronomicon on.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Should GW ever advance the fluff (unlikely, I know), don't be shocked to learn that the Big E died centuries ago, and has evolved to a full power in the Warp thanks to the belief in his divinity by the bulk of humanity, thus explaining the Astronomicon never faltering.

Yeah I think this is something people overlook, if the latent psychic energy from belief is a real thing (and it is according to all of the fluff) then surely the Big E IS a god in a very real sense.

Gork and Mork are titans of the warp thanks to the belief of billions of Orks, and Khorne and Tzeenth are mighty because of all of the hatred and rage and plotting that goes on thanks to the fact that humanity is truly numerous, then the Emperor thanks to 10,000 years of brainwashing and indoctrination, is an actual God, because countless trillions of humans revere him as one.

There are more nods to this in the LOTD codex, which basically states that they are demons, it is my favorite part of the fluff, but essentially the belief that humanity has causes these demons to appear, work for the betterment of the imperium, and then vanish. And they look like Space Marines because that is what humanity expects their salvation to look like.

I enjoyed it because it felt like it was actually moving the story forward, and it makes more sense than the other explanations for the Legion. It also explains that they can teleport even when it is impossible, their bodies always vanish, and they have an invulnerable save!

Anyway, the point is that if belief leads to power in the 40k setting, then the Emperor may well be the most powerful entity in the warp, because humanity is insanely numerous, and the Imerpium makes the Catholic Church look sedate when it comes to indoctrination!

If there is something in the Warp spawned by the beliefs of humans, I bet it is more like the Star Father of WH50K than the "real" Emperor.

It would make more sense given the grimdark setting.