1850p of Necron

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**RutgerMan**

Hello there fellow Dakka members, I've been out of the game for a whole year since college got really hard (and I do artistic thingies so they demand even more time) but now summer break is here and I can live and love my models again! I'm aiming to paint up a Tournament list so I can use it during the year and I'm aiming for really competitive!!!

So here's the list:

HQ:
Stormlord (duh)

Court:
Time-Cryptek (Bringing a Chronometron to keep the storm up!)
Despair-Cryptek (just for the staff)
regular lord (with orb, flamer and Scarabs ofcourse)

Troops:
10 Warriors (will be joined by Stormy and Time-tek)
> bringing a Ghost Ark

10 Gauss-Immortals (will be joined by the regualr lord)
>bringing a scythe ride

Elites:
5 Deathmarks (despairtek ofcourse)

1 C'tan, with the pyreshards and gaze of death upgrade.

Fast Attack:
6 Wraiths (2 with whips, only 2 because otherwise they wouldn't fit)

Heavy support:
1 Monolith (to swing the C'tan around and eventually troops or others, also to feth up any unit far away hiding after any defense with long ranged weaponry)

2 Annihilation Barges (pew pew against flyers)

So this is the list, the tactics are varied on how to use this list, Night fighting gives extra cover which can be direly needed in the first turns (we don't have range guys) and the lightning might just fry up some unit here and there (I'm mostly quite lucky with that) but the list doesn't count on it, it counts on it staying long. this also covers the advance of my wraiths and C'tan whom need to get into the face of the enemy ASAP, C'tan can fry mob units (He's kit to not be swamped) while Wraiths can soak up mostly anything. While these 2 units are being Necron A-gates and attracting enemy fire, they keep it away from my little more fragile barges and my warriors, all to keep enough units safe so the monolith, deathmarks and Immortals can come in to save the day! It's battle forged so that helps and yeah, that's about it.

I'm really interested in your opinion

**skoffs**

This should really be in the army list section, not tactics...

**Sigvatr**

This isn't a competitive list.

C'tan shards are trash. Never take them.

Monolith is bad. Never take it.

Gauss on Immortals is bad. You want Gauss for Gauss, not AP. Either take Tesla or leave them at home.

Imotekh is too expensive, don't take him. Destroyer Lord / CCB are vastly superior.

Flame Glove is bad. Warscythe is 5 pts more. Think about it.

Your Warrior squad cannot ride the Ghost Ark as it's too big (12).

AB are good, always take them.

Your army has borderline zero anti-tank, a very low overall damageoutput and with a meta that's going back to more vehicles, you will suffer a crushing defeat at any competitive tournament.

/e: Thanks for moving the thread mods

**RutgerMan**

skoffs wrote:This should really be in the army list section, not tactics...

Whoopsie, my bad

thx for the move

Sigvatr wrote:This isn't a competitive list.

C'tan shards are trash. Never take them.

Monolith is bad. Never take it.

Gauss on Immortals is bad. You want Gauss for Gauss, not AP. Either take Tesla or leave them at home.

Imotekh is too expensive, don't take him. Destroyer Lord / CCB are vastly superior.

Flame Glove is bad. Warscythe is 5 pts more. Think about it.

Your Warrior squad cannot ride the Ghost Ark as it's too big (12).

AB are good, always take them.

Your army has borderline zero anti-tank, a very low overall damageoutput and with a meta that's going back to more vehicles, you will suffer a crushing defeat at any competitive tournament.

/e: Thanks for moving the thread mods

Allright solid advice :p except I don't like people who trash everything in a list and don't counter offer options, I accept most except that monoliths are "bad" I trashed a long fang spam with those, oh wait trashed is the wrong word when actually my opponent was TABLED, I don't get why people think they are bad? they pack a serious gun and amazing armor and a stunning block of LOS and that all for 200p, nothing can do it cheaper or better. Since I've been re-using them because I also was like you, thinking they are bad, I've had my mind changed, they are still that huge block of armour 14 all round that feth up everyone's day. You can ask to every opponent I met.

Now for the rest,

C'tan: the C'tan was a tricky choice I knew that from the start, but what is wiser to bring then?

Stormlord: I can understand that, I've always only liked him for his 'storm' part, otherwise it's just 225 points standing there, doing mostly nothing but being pretty. Destroyer lord for my wraith unit might be a more interesting choice indeed and the CCB has been sticking my eyes out lately, what do you think about Anrakyr on one?

Immortals: I understand your points, but I do it for the +1str and 3+ armor save, that's worth so much for the 4 points extra per model in contrast to warriors. My warriors are always doing gak, they can't kill anything, as soon as it's toughness is 6 I'm doomed, and Tyranids laugh in my face, Immortals tend to do that job WAY better and any job in fact. certainly in a scythe dropping them were needed. I don't understand you at all here.

Flamer Glove: okay okay, reasonable

Warriors: I get your point, but otherwise they never would, nobody rides his warriors :p better have them on an objective and stay there forever with a Ghost Ark pumping them out whenever needed. I could also look into not taking a ghost ark, if that is what you tried to imply there.

Okay that's about it I geuss, if you got any advice pls do tell me

**skoffs**

... he gave you advice: what not to take.
The things you were using were sub par (eg. Monolith) to just straight bad (eg. C'tan).

The Monolith might not be completely unusable garbage, but for 20 points less you can take two Annihilation Barges. That's no contest.

And Anrakyr can no longer take Command Barge, as of 7th FAQ for Necrons.

**Sigvatr**

RutgerMan wrote:

Allright solid advice :p except I don't like people who trash everything in a list and don't counter offer options

You asked for a "competitive" list, not a "good" list to play against friends. "Competitive" means top tier and lots of your picks aren't top tier, the C'Tan shard, for example, is among the worst models in the entire codex, if not THE worst model. I'd rather take a unit of FO. Really.

I accept most except that monoliths are "bad" I trashed a long fang spam with those, oh wait trashed is the wrong word when actually my opponent was TABLED, I don't get why people think they are bad?

If Croatia beats Nicaragua at the World Cup, does that mean that Croatia is a top tier team?

they pack a serious gun and amazing armor and a stunning block of LOS and that all for 200p, nothing can do it cheaper or better.

They have a single powerful gun that is AP 3. S8 AP3 is not a "serious gun", especially not when it comes at such a hefty price tag. S10 AP1, that's a serious gun. Amazing armor? It has AV14. That's it. Nothing more. Not even smokescreen.

Since I've been re-using them because I also was like you, thinking they are bad, I've had my mind changed, they are still that huge block of armour 14 all round that feth up everyone's day. You can ask to every opponent I met.

I do not want to offend you, but we may most likely be playing at different levels. I play in a very competitive local meta and monoliths simply don't have a place in that. You either bring the best or you go down. You seem to play in a rather casual environment, which is, again, fine and awesome if you have fun. Just don't make the mistake and transfer your experience to all levels of play.

Spoiler:

Sentry Pylons. You will see this repeated a lot

Now, seriously: what do you *want*? A C'tan does nothing. It's not good in ranged, it's not good in melee, it's not very durable...it's just expensive. Your army list lacks anti-armor so pack some anti-armor. Warrior blobs, Sentry Pylons (hah!), even Heavy Destroyers might work. What about Scarabs? Great tarpit, cheap, good vs. armor and buildings.

Stormlord: I can understand that, I've always only liked him for his 'storm' part, otherwise it's just 225 points standing there, doing mostly nothing but being pretty. Destroyer lord for my wraith unit might be a more interesting choice indeed and the CCB has been sticking my eyes out lately, what do you think about Anrakyr on one?

The only Necron character that can still take a CCB is Kulakh, all others must no longer take one and have to walk.

Immortals: I understand your points, but I do it for the +1str and 3+ armor save, that's worth so much for the 4 points extra per model in contrast to warriors. My warriors are always doing gak, they can't kill anything, as soon as it's toughness is 6 I'm doomed, and Tyranids laugh in my face, Immortals tend to do that job WAY better and any job in fact. certainly in a scythe dropping them were needed. I don't understand you at all here.

Same mistake as above: when making a list, you need to think about the "why". "Why" do you take a unit of Warriors? For infantry or MC killing? Nop, they suck at it. Warriors are either taken for their durability and ability to hog on mission objectives (20 Warriors with 1-2 GA, good luck) or for massive Gauss (vs. vehicles) or both. Immortals are taken for defending mid-field objectives (or even far-field, depends) as they are more durable but have a smaller footprint. If you take them, always, always take Tesla. It's better against most enemies.

Warriors: I get your point, but otherwise they never would, nobody rides his warriors :p better have them on an objective and stay there forever with a Ghost Ark pumping them out whenever needed. I could also look into not taking a ghost ark, if that is what you tried to imply there.

The GA is one of the best vehicles we have now. It got a bif buff in 7th: new, better vehicle damage table and jink now being 4+ instead of 5+ (and you ALWAYS want to jink as the weapons are poor).

I would recommend getting back to planning and trying to go for a more well-rounded approach. Against a vehicle-heavy armor or gunline, you have no chance as you would not be able to hurt them. Same goes for any MC heavy list: lack of high S / AP weapons.

Oh, and take a CCB. Cool model, great in all circumstances, fun to play with.

**RutgerMan**

Sigvatr wrote:
RutgerMan wrote:

Allright solid advice :p except I don't like people who trash everything in a list and don't counter offer options

You asked for a "competitive" list, not a "good" list to play against friends. "Competitive" means top tier and lots of your picks aren't top tier, the C'Tan shard, for example, is among the worst models in the entire codex, if not THE worst model. I'd rather take a unit of FO. Really.

I accept most except that monoliths are "bad" I trashed a long fang spam with those, oh wait trashed is the wrong word when actually my opponent was TABLED, I don't get why people think they are bad?

If Croatia beats Nicaragua at the World Cup, does that mean that Croatia is a top tier team?

they pack a serious gun and amazing armor and a stunning block of LOS and that all for 200p, nothing can do it cheaper or better.

They have a single powerful gun that is AP 3. S8 AP3 is not a "serious gun", especially not when it comes at such a hefty price tag. S10 AP1, that's a serious gun. Amazing armor? It has AV14. That's it. Nothing more. Not even smokescreen.

Since I've been re-using them because I also was like you, thinking they are bad, I've had my mind changed, they are still that huge block of armour 14 all round that feth up everyone's day. You can ask to every opponent I met.

I do not want to offend you, but we may most likely be playing at different levels. I play in a very competitive local meta and monoliths simply don't have a place in that. You either bring the best or you go down. You seem to play in a rather casual environment, which is, again, fine and awesome if you have fun. Just don't make the mistake and transfer your experience to all levels of play.

Spoiler:

C'tan: the C'tan was a tricky choice I knew that from the start, but what is wiser to bring then?

Sentry Pylons. You will see this repeated a lot

Now, seriously: what do you *want*? A C'tan does nothing. It's not good in ranged, it's not good in melee, it's not very durable...it's just expensive. Your army list lacks anti-armor so pack some anti-armor. Warrior blobs, Sentry Pylons (hah!), even Heavy Destroyers might work. What about Scarabs? Great tarpit, cheap, good vs. armor and buildings.

Stormlord: I can understand that, I've always only liked him for his 'storm' part, otherwise it's just 225 points standing there, doing mostly nothing but being pretty. Destroyer lord for my wraith unit might be a more interesting choice indeed and the CCB has been sticking my eyes out lately, what do you think about Anrakyr on one?

The only Necron character that can still take a CCB is Kulakh, all others must no longer take one and have to walk.

Immortals: I understand your points, but I do it for the +1str and 3+ armor save, that's worth so much for the 4 points extra per model in contrast to warriors. My warriors are always doing gak, they can't kill anything, as soon as it's toughness is 6 I'm doomed, and Tyranids laugh in my face, Immortals tend to do that job WAY better and any job in fact. certainly in a scythe dropping them were needed. I don't understand you at all here.

Same mistake as above: when making a list, you need to think about the "why". "Why" do you take a unit of Warriors? For infantry or MC killing? Nop, they suck at it. Warriors are either taken for their durability and ability to hog on mission objectives (20 Warriors with 1-2 GA, good luck) or for massive Gauss (vs. vehicles) or both. Immortals are taken for defending mid-field objectives (or even far-field, depends) as they are more durable but have a smaller footprint. If you take them, always, always take Tesla. It's better against most enemies.

Warriors: I get your point, but otherwise they never would, nobody rides his warriors :p better have them on an objective and stay there forever with a Ghost Ark pumping them out whenever needed. I could also look into not taking a ghost ark, if that is what you tried to imply there.

The GA is one of the best vehicles we have now. It got a bif buff in 7th: new, better vehicle damage table and jink now being 4+ instead of 5+ (and you ALWAYS want to jink as the weapons are poor).

I would recommend getting back to planning and trying to go for a more well-rounded approach. Against a vehicle-heavy armor or gunline, you have no chance as you would not be able to hurt them. Same goes for any MC heavy list: lack of high S / AP weapons.

Oh, and take a CCB. Cool model, great in all circumstances, fun to play with.

Voila!!

this is advice I'm looking for! Still, I have a few more questions, what do you think about fielding some spyders and some scarabs?

Btw, my league isn't all that competitive, we're talking belgium, belgium is belgium

haha

**ShadarLogoth**

The Monolith is much better then Sig thinks it is. I play highly competitive lists as well and it's become a mainstay in my army since 7th dropped. If you are having good luck with it, keep it. Ignore internet advice from people who clearly state they don't even use the units they are telling you are trash.

They have a single powerful gun that is AP 3. S8 AP3 is not a "serious gun", especially not when it comes at such a hefty price tag. S10 AP1, that's a serious gun. Amazing armor? It has AV14. That's it. Nothing more. Not even smokescreen.

The best armor in the game short of Super Heavies is just "that's it?" Also, you ever think of maybe running something like a Ghost Arc, or AB or CCB in front of it so that is, well, not "it"?

Like I said. People make it pretty patently obvious they have zero experience with a unit pretty quickly. The rest of his advice is pretty sound, though. C'Tan are particularly difficult to use currently, as they just don't have the speed to get into CC constantly. Running one in a Mono list can have it's purposes, but you are generally better off getting more Anti-tank.

Also, try running some Fab Claw Spyders behind the Mono sometime. It's pretty sick, particularly if you have a lot of other AV for the Spyders to play with.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
As far as the Stormlord goes, with a lot of people going back to MSU for 7th he's getting better, and several turns of Stealth to Jinking AV 13 skimmers is definitely nice as well.

A couple of musts with running him:

Run him in a brick of 15 to 20 Warriors with a Chronotek. If you can fit in a Reslord with WS/MSS/SW all the better, but this will require a second OLord (CCB). A CCB with Imo is generally a good call anyway. The Chronotek is a must though. Not only does it help you sustain the lightning, it will also string out Imo's 2+/3++ even further.

Now that you have the brick, thinking about grabbing a couple of three Ghost Arcs. Maybe consider throwing a Lancetek Royal court in one of them. Solar pulses can both help maximize fire power if you need it on turns Imo's NF is in place, or give you a couple of extra turns of Stealth after it wears off.

Tesla and Gauss both generally work well with Imo, as they don't have the AP in the first place, and any CC units love themselves some stealth.

You really have to build around him, but he's still quite viable.

**RutgerMan**

Good, I've changed the list, is this better?

HQ:
Overlord (with; CCB, Warscythe, Sempitermal Weave, Mindshackle Scarabs, Phylactery)

Destroyer Lord (with; Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempitermal Weave)

ROYAL COURT:
1 Necron lord (with; orb and Scarabs)

1 DespairTek

4 DestructionTeks

TROOPS:
15 Necron Warriors
• Ghost Ark

10 Immortals
• Night Scythe

ELITES:

5 Deathmarks
• Night Scythe

FAST ATTACK:
6 Canoptek Wraiths
• 5 Whip Coils

HEAVY:

2x Annihilation Barge

So the C'tan, Monolith, Imothek and his Chronotek left the house and 5 extra warriors, 4 destructionteks, 1 Nightscythe, 1CCB Overlord, 1 destroyer lord and a 3 extra whips on the wraiths took their place, good trade or not?

Do you guys think this change is good?

**skoffs**

Yup!

**TranSpyre**

Still nope. Remember that the GA can only hold 10 warriors. Take off 5 of them, and 2 whip coils. Wraiths don't all need them. Then take off one of the destructionteks.

With those liberated points, you can add in a squad of deathmarks and give your despairtek a veil.

That seems to me to be a much better option.

**skoffs**

TranSpyre wrote:
Still nope. Remember that the GA can only hold 10 warriors. Take off 5 of them, and 2 whip coils. Wraiths don't all need them. Then take off one of the destructionteks.

Uhh, who says those Warriors are going IN the Ark?
The fact that he's got a ResOrb Lord there suggests he's going to be walking them along side.
Meanwhile, the Destruct-teks get in the empty Ark, turning it into an AV 13 skimmer with 4HP and an Assault 4 36" S8 AP2 gun.

With those liberated points, you can add in a squad of deathmarks and give your despairtek a veil.

That seems to me to be a much better option.

Holy hell, did you really just suggest he give a D&D squad a Veil?
OP, do NOT do that thing.

I would suggest switching the MSS on the Orb Lord for some Sempiternal Weave, as he will be able to tank for blob that way (besides, you really don't want that unit in combat).
Also, the Overlord on the Barge has a Phylactery. Switch that to a Phase Shifter (drop some Whip Coils from the Wraiths to free up points to make up the difference).

**RutgerMan**

skoffs wrote:
TranSpyre wrote:
Still nope. Remember that the GA can only hold 10 warriors. Take off 5 of them, and 2 whip coils. Wraiths don't all need them. Then take off one of the destructionteks.
Uhh, who says those Warriors are going IN the Ark?
The fact that he's got a ResOrb Lord there suggests he's going to be walking them along side.
Meanwhile, the Destruct-teks get in the empty Ark, turning it into an AV 13 skimmer with 4HP and an Assault 4 36" S8 AP2 gun.

With those liberated points, you can add in a squad of deathmarks and give your despairtek a veil.

That seems to me to be a much better option.
Holy hell, did you really just suggest he give a D&D squad a Veil?
OP, do NOT do that thing.

I would suggest switching the MSS on the Orb Lord for some Sempiternal Weave, as he will be able to tank for blob that way (besides, you really don't want that unit in combat).
Also, the Overlord on the Barge has a Phylactery. Switch that to a Phase Shifter (drop some Whip Coils from the Wraiths to free up points to make up the difference).

I wasn't going to listen to him any way

You've given him the reasons already

I've taken your advice tough, wriaths are now again at 2 whips, Overlord has a Phase Shifter now and the regular lord has a 2+ save