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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 01:45:12
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Been Around the Block
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I am just starting 40k. Here's my 1500 point Necron list. I'll take all the help I can get!
HQ: Overlord (Warscythe, Phase Shifter, Resurrection orb) 175
Lord (Warscythe, Resurrection Orb)75
Lord (Warscythe, Resurrection Orb)75
Troops: 20 Warriors 260
20 Warriors 260
10 Immortals 170
Fast Attack: 6 Wraiths (Whip Coils, Transdimensional Beamer) 285
Heavy Support: Monolith 200
Total: 1500
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/07/14 03:01:30
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 02:23:33
Subject: First attempt at a 40k army list
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
Tampa, Florida
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Drop one of the warrior groups to 10 and add a GA, drop the immortals to 5, drop the lords for crypteks (2 destructionteks and 1 despairtek). Drop the scarabs/spyder, and add some wraiths, at least 1 with whip coils.
Then you should have a pretty great list. Easy expansion into 1850 by getting a destroyer lord and some deathmarks is a bonus, too.
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Rule #1 is Look Cool.
Rule #2 is Do Cool S*%* Even If It's Tactically Inadvisable
Winning is something like Rule #17.
-The Shrike
Overkill is officially defined by the Commissariat and the Munitorium as: "The minimum amount of force that is to be brought to bear against the enemies of the Emperor."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 02:29:51
Subject: First attempt at a 40k army list
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Been Around the Block
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Dropping the lords would lose the 4+ get back up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 02:54:04
Subject: Re:First attempt at a 40k army list
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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List is pretty Solid.
I'd drop the CCB and one of the Lords at this level and put the Overlord in the Warrior blobs. That should free up points for more Scarabs and maybe another Tomb Spyder. Save the CCB for larger games.
It's worth it to put a Sempiternal Weave on those Lords as well, even if you have to drop some Warriors to do it. That way when the squad gets low, they can start tanking some of the hits adding insurance that you'll be able to make those RP rolls.
Immortals in the Nightscythe should be Gauss, unless you're running them on the table with an empty Nightscythe. Then you can go either way.
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Current Armies
40k: 15k of Unplayable Necrons
(I miss 7th!)
30k: Imperial Fists
(project for 2025)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 17:30:49
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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So it looks like you're trying to run an old school Silver Tide.
It's a decent start, but it could do with some tweaks:
• Immortals don't need a ResOrb. The points per model versus models per unit ratio just doesn't make it worth it. Drop one of your Lords (freeing up 75 points).
• Speaking of Lords, yours could use some armor. All of your HQ should be wearing Sempiternal Weave if they have the option to. It's a cheap 2+ save. Get it. Also, if you're playing Warrior blob, you do NOT want them in combat. Giving them a Warscythe would be a waste if that's the case. Just a ResOrb, Weave, and Staff of Light should be fine for blob support.
• Wraiths should NEVER have Transdimensional Beamers. It's a heavy weapon. Firing it means Wraiths can't assault. You WANT Wraiths to assault. Also, you only need maybe two Whip Coils in a group. Three max (but even then you only really need them when the unit is supported by a Destroyer Lord)
• Do you have any other models? In particular, a Destroyer Lord or any vehicles. Your list could really do with some support.
• If you don't have any vehicles, invest 60 points in a Harbinger of Despair with a Veil of Darkness. Attach him to your Immortals. This is now your mobile scoring unit.
• if you DO have vehicles, I would recommend the following: Annihilation Barges, Night Scythes, Command Barges, and Ghost Arks. They are all amazing. The Monolith... is less amazing. I'd replace it if you can. (note: a commenter suggested you drop your Warrior blob down to 10 to fit them in an Ark. He probably doesn't know you can have the blob deploy outside of the Ark and walk along with it. Works great as a blob tactic).
If you don't have any other vehicles or Destroyer Lords, I'd maybe try this.
HQ:
Overlord (Staff of Light, Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter, Resurrection orb) 165
Lord (Staff of Light, Sempiternal Weave, Resurrection Orb) 80
Despair-tek (Veil) 60
Troops:
20 Warriors 260
20 Warriors 260
10 Immortals 170
Fast Attack:
6 Wraiths (2x Whip Coils) 230
5 Scarabs 75
Heavy Support:
Monolith 200
Total: 1500
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/07/14 17:32:47
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 17:46:55
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Been Around the Block
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I haven't bought any models yet. I'm trying to make a good list, so I won't have to constantly buy new models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 17:53:07
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
Tampa, Florida
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Mobility is the meta in 7th, which means footslogging armies can only do so much. You should keep one 20 man blob to work with your deep-striking monolith, but replacing the other with 10 in a GA is a better option. If you really want to keep 1 lord, the give him SW and the orb, ignoring the scythe. you want him in the back. Wraiths don't want beamers, as was said above.
In all honesty, I'd go with the list skoffs gave you, with minimal changes:
-5 Immortals
-5 Scarabs
-1 Wraith
-10 Warriors
+1 Ghost Ark (10 Man Warrior Blob)
+5 Deathmarks
+1 Night Scythe (5 Man Immortal Squad)
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Rule #1 is Look Cool.
Rule #2 is Do Cool S*%* Even If It's Tactically Inadvisable
Winning is something like Rule #17.
-The Shrike
Overkill is officially defined by the Commissariat and the Munitorium as: "The minimum amount of force that is to be brought to bear against the enemies of the Emperor."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 17:56:03
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Been Around the Block
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TranSpyre wrote:Mobility is the meta in 7th, which means footslogging armies can only do so much. You should keep one 20 man blob to work with your deep-striking monolith, but replacing the other with 10 in a GA is a better option. If you really want to keep 1 lord, the give him SW and the orb, ignoring the scythe. you want him in the back. Wraiths don't want beamers, as was said above.
In all honesty, I'd go with the list skoffs gave you, with minimal changes:
-5 Immortals
-5 Scarabs
-1 Wraith
-10 Warriors
+1 Ghost Ark (10 Man Warrior Blob)
+5 Deathmarks
+1 Night Scythe (5 Man Immortal Squad)
No offense, but skoffs has been playing much longer than you have. As a new player, I'm looking for experienced guidance. It puts me in a difficult situation as I don't know who knows best.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 18:36:08
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Dakka Veteran
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If I were you I would consider switching your heavy support around, I favor annhilation barges. They are the necron equivilent of wave serpants(cheap mobile survivable) and most of damaging. Tesla makes espeshially short work of flyers and makes snap shooting not nearly as much of a penalty since a 6 gives an additional 2 hits. Automatically Appended Next Post: They also can double as ccm barges with little to no magnetization. A solid model that can fulfill a variety of roles in a variety of lists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 19:57:30
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Been Around the Block
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Trying to draw on multiple suggestions here's where I am:
HQ:
Overlord (Staff of Light, Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter, Resurrection orb) 180
Lord (Staff of Light, Sempiternal Weave, Resurrection Orb) 80
Harbinger of Destruction (Eldritch lance) 35
Troops:
20 Warriors 260
20 Warriors 260
10 Immortals 170
Night Scythe 100
Fast Attack:
6 Wraiths (3xWhip Coils) 240
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark 175
Total: 1500
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This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2014/07/15 01:34:45
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 23:21:05
Subject: Re:1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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After going through your posts, it looks like you haven't purchased anything yet right?
If so that would be a good place to start. A great setup to get started depending on your budget, in order:
Battleforce
Codex
Annhiliation Barge (This will also give you an Overlord model)
Immortals (To max out the unityou built out of the Battleforce)
Nightscythe
This will give you a good core force, and once you start playing games you'll figure out how everything works, what you like, and how your local meta will affect it. Everyone will have a different experience, and while we will all recommend what to take and what to avoid, we can't lay down every single scenario, or why things are good/bad.
As for experience, every player you're asking help from is going to have different views, recommendations. I've been playin Crons since 3rd ed, and have a sizeable force. I feel that Warriors are still the best unit in the Codex, and have no problem throwing them into combat if the need for it arises. I love the myth that they're terrible in combat, it really throws my opponents off. I'm not a fan of Annhilation Barges being automatic includes, and even then, 2 is all you'll ever need. I think Whip Coils are a waste of points, and you're better off taking 2 units of Wraiths instead of 1 unit, with Coils and an attached D-Lord. MSS aren't very reliable, and even harder to use now in 7th. Monoliths are great, especially with Zahndrekh. C'Tan are good, but just overpriced for what they do now.
It doesn't mean that Skoffs, Epartilis, or anyone else making suggestions are bad, but it would help us to know what you're looking for. Are you looking for a 'Learn to play' list, or a 'I like X unit, how to I make them effective?' list. In any case, you're going to have to put models down and start playing. You'll eventually find what works for you.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/07/14 23:23:16
Current Armies
40k: 15k of Unplayable Necrons
(I miss 7th!)
30k: Imperial Fists
(project for 2025)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/15 00:26:46
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Been Around the Block
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I already have the codex.
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Still unsure what army to choose |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/15 06:09:55
Subject: Re:1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Then Battleforce > ABarge > Immortals will be a great start.
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Current Armies
40k: 15k of Unplayable Necrons
(I miss 7th!)
30k: Imperial Fists
(project for 2025)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/15 06:52:25
Subject: 1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Ok, if you don't have anything except the codex yet, and you still want to run Warrior blob (it's fun for casual games), here's what I would recommend you pick up:
Boxes to buy:
1x Battleforce (so 20x Warriors, 1x Ghost Ark, 5x Scarabs, 5x Immortals/Deathmarks)
1-2x Night Scythes
2-3x Annihilation Barges (bonus free Overlord models with each)
Boxes worth considering:
2x Wraiths (so 6 Wraiths total)
1x Lychguard (to convert into Lords/Crypteks)
1x Destroyer (to be converted into a Destroyer Lord)
This will give you a collection of most of the most used/useful models we have at our disposal. The majority of the lists you build in the future will incorporate these units.
Note: Despite what people keep trying to tell you, it is not necessary to stick 10 Warriors inside of the Ghost Ark (ten Warriors is hardly what anyone would consider a "blob". 15 minimum if you're going to include a ResOrb. Let them march along side the Ark so it can give them cover and repair any fallen ones as they go). Though, if you want to, 5 inside an Ark isn't bad. Sometimes it's possible to claim two objectives that way, if they're close enough together (Ark claims objective #1, Warriors disembark and string out to claim objective #2).
I would personally not recommend the Monolith for a beginner. It's not necessarily the worst vehicle we have, but it's a little tricky to use. For it's price, I'd much rather have two Annihilation Barges or Night Scythes... but that's just me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/15 09:02:16
Subject: Re:1500 Point Necron Army/Help Needed!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Also, if you're playing Warrior blob, you do NOT want them in combat. Giving them a Warscythe would be a waste if that's the case. Just a ResOrb, Weave, and Staff of Light should be fine for blob support.
Skoffs gave you some pretty solid advice, but this is one thing I will contend with. If you are running a brick, you want it to be competent in CC. That's why I always Phaeron/ MSS/ WS the OLord (along with the Res Orb) in a list like that. This puts the units CC competency up enough to be able to sufficiently handle most basic CC threats, as well as to be quite aggressive against shootier armies.
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