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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Someone should model some wingmirrors on the sides so he can see what's coming up alongside/above/behind him.

Let's give it some wings first. Worry about the wingmirrors after that.

 Bulldogging wrote:
Oh gak, check out the pilot. Nice!

Hint: Iron Priest.

That makes me wonder if the plastic Iron Priest kit is also real now. Since they have the helmet design etc.

Just looks like the normal SM pilot to me.

I keep looking at it and I'm trying to love it....

...nope, still frelling horrible.

Vive la difference.

The Flying Shoe arrives.

Can't find a better description =P
Could come to love it, you know like how men love shoes...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Someone should model some wingmirrors on the sides so he can see what's coming up alongside/above/behind him.

Let's give it some wings first. Worry about the wingmirrors after that.

It was the little tiny winglets on the side of the brick that did it for me.

VanHallan wrote:
Am I the only one that wishes GW would have left flyers out of 40k altogether? This look like something straight out of looney tunes.

It really really does

I don't know what to call this thing. Assault ram wannabe? Flying Shoebox? Looks rather phallic, especially with its frost cannon. I think the best description is a flying brick. If I had one I'd call it "Cynderblok". Sounds nice and space-wolfy.

For what it's worth I don't think it is to bad, looks slightly to tall in my opinion as a transport but that's about it. It actually looks like a SM flier, big, brutish and unable to fly. As many have said it looks like FW Caestes Assault ram. We shall just have to wait a see how it performs although it might just be a giant fire magnet.

Edit: The wolf skull on the front looks moulded to the plate, seeing as there is no obvious teeth or even sockets for the teeth to go into, blends straight into the armour

Young Logan

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
Oh gak, check out the pilot. Nice!

Hint: Iron Priest.

That makes me wonder if the plastic Iron Priest kit is also real now. Since they have the helmet design etc.

Just looks like the normal SM pilot to me.

It has this type of helmet

The flying shoe is problematic. Not just the lack of viable flight that it shares with its cousins, the fact that a lot of the weaponry is top mounted and can barely see ground targets. That's a problem.

look scool to me!

everyone complaining about it, go play eldar if you want curved aerodynamic flyers!


jebus, people will complain about anything...

the first fule of dakka club is : criticize everything GW does
the second rule of dakka club is : CRITICIZE EVERYTHING GW DOES!

So lets wait for the pre heresy version oft the flyer

Or just take this 2 and put it together
Stil ugly, but cheaper:

http://www.miniaturescenery.com/ProductPage.asp?Code=VH1ZEPENG
http://www.miniaturescenery.com/ProductPage.asp?Code=SCF1SHPCNT

 easysauce wrote:
the first fule of dakka club is : criticize everything GW does
the second rule of dakka club is : CRITICIZE EVERYTHING GW DOES!

Third rule of Dakka: Ignore those criticisms and any validity they may have in favour of citing the first two rules.

 Bulldogging wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
Oh gak, check out the pilot. Nice!

Hint: Iron Priest.

That makes me wonder if the plastic Iron Priest kit is also real now. Since they have the helmet design etc.

Just looks like the normal SM pilot to me.

It has this type of helmet

It would make sense, tech marines fly the regular SM craft so some form of Iron Wolf would make sense, although at the same time putting a blood claw in charge might also be laugh

Young logan

 Bulldogging wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
Oh gak, check out the pilot. Nice!

Hint: Iron Priest.

That makes me wonder if the plastic Iron Priest kit is also real now. Since they have the helmet design etc.

Just looks like the normal SM pilot to me.

It has this type of helmet

Yeah you're right, I was remembering the regular pilot head wrong.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Holy Emperor, Gw actually made a good looking SM flier. I mean, when I read the thread title, I fully expected another disaster.

Talk about positive disappointment.

I love the design of the DA fliers and would've bought two had the rules not been utter crap.

But yeah I love the design of this thing.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So what does make this "the most SM looking flier ever" anyway?

Take a Thunderhawk. Look at it. Then look at this model. If you can't see the startling similarity, no words will make a difference.

The Stormraven takes more design cues than this does, so I'm not seeing how this thing is thing is more of a SM flier than the Stormraven is.

This thing just looks like a brick with a Stormtalon cockpit and 4 Stormtalon engines glued on to it. You said "This happens to be the most SM looking flier ever made by GW proper", I'm wondering why this thing is more SM looking than the Stormraven or Stormtalon.

And even if it does take some look design cues from the Thunderhawk, still doesn't make it look good. Other than being an angular design it doesn't take a lot of design cues from the Thunderhawk anyway. It doesn't have the characteristic nose design (which the Stormraven does), it does have low aspect ratio wings but not the characteristic Thunderhawk style ones. It does have the same characterisic SM segmented vehicle armour on it's muzzle section and straight lined angular design, but it doesn't scream "most SM looking flier ever made by GW proper" nor does it scream "that's totally good looking" either.

How can the pilot see where he's meant to be landing troops on that flying shipping container...

 Toastaster wrote:
How can the pilot see where he's meant to be landing troops on that flying shipping container...

Well since Space Marine helmets don't actually have vision slits, and it's just a HUD inside it, I would assume they link into the ship and can probably see everything around it.

Assuming of course they haven't retconned the helmet thing again.

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Toastaster wrote:
How can the pilot see where he's meant to be landing troops on that flying shipping container...

Well since Space Marine helmets don't actually have vision slits, and it's just a HUD inside it, I would assume they link into the ship and can probably see everything around it.

Assuming of course they haven't retconned the helmet thing again.

Aw, I was kind of hoping he just flew towards the ground until he heard a THUNK and then just opens the doors.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So what does make this "the most SM looking flier ever" anyway?

Take a Thunderhawk. Look at it. Then look at this model. If you can't see the startling similarity, no words will make a difference.

The Stormraven takes more design cues than this does, so I'm not seeing how this thing is thing is more of a SM flier than the Stormraven is.

This thing just looks like a brick with a Stormtalon cockpit and 4 Stormtalon engines glued on to it. You said "This happens to be the most SM looking flier ever made by GW proper", I'm wondering why this thing is more SM looking than the Stormraven or Stormtalon.

And even if it does take some look design cues from the Thunderhawk, still doesn't make it look good. Other than being an angular design it doesn't take a lot of design cues from the Thunderhawk anyway. It doesn't have the characteristic nose design (which the Stormraven does), it does have low aspect ratio wings but not the characteristic Thunderhawk style ones. It does have the same characterisic SM segmented vehicle armour on it's muzzle section and straight lined angular design, but it doesn't scream "most SM looking flier ever made by GW proper" nor does it scream "that's totally good looking" either.

As has been said, Beauty is in the eye................

The most recent SM flyers - with the exception of the Storm Eagle looked to me like crappy toys - squashed and horrible looking toys and looked like nothing else the Sm fielded

This draws design elements from what I feel is the SM (and to a large degree Imperial) aeasthtic - hard lines, brute strength and directness. The Stormtalon and its god awful Brethrin just don't for me - it looks like the Land Raider and the Thunderhawk.

Please GW, change all instances of powerfists in the SW codex to be "Wolf Fang Fists" instead

 BlackTalos wrote:
The Flying Shoe arrives.

Can't find a better description =P
Could come to love it, you know like how men love shoes...

When the third edition plastic Land Speeder came out, one of my friends said it looked like a flying trainer, so I guess both are following the same design aesthetic. I think this is dope and will be getting one for my Wolves.

If the Ceastus looks like Falcor this ugly POS looks like a Daschund. Mos Def not a wolf. It's the flying wiener dog head of doom!! Maybe it will go away if we give it a biscuit. Who is writing up the wiener hammer list right now? Worst designed flyer yet.

Moving on from the Beauty contest:

Do we have any new rules in the book besides the flier?

Anything else mentioned like when the Codex arrives?

Hmmm... The turret on the rear of the transport variant looks like it will fit onto a Razorback. Very interesting.

 Mr Morden wrote:
As has been said, Beauty is in the eye................

And as I said earlier, I'm just surprised at the number of people that like the look of it, lol. Though in the end, I think it looks fine... as a space ship to space ship assault ram. It doesn't look remotely like something that should be flying in the atmosphere. Not only because it (like all Imperial flyers) would not physically be able to fly, but also simply because it does not look designed for the task of supporting ground troops. It looks like something you "fire" at an opposing ship in space.

The most recent SM flyers - with the exception of the Storm Eagle looked to me like crappy toys - squashed and horrible looking toys and looked like nothing else the Sm fielded

I agree entirely. I hate the Stormraven/talon. I just don't particularly like the flying brick either, lol.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Moving on from the Beauty contest:

Do we have any new rules in the book besides the flier?

Anything else mentioned like when the Codex arrives?

The Ork release schedule was....different from GW's past pattern, and if we assume the SW follow the same pattern......

I think the Gork/Morkanought was late May in a WD wasn't it?
Followed a week or 2 later by flash gits
Then Mega nobz/characters?
Then the codex.

That took something like 5-6 weeks anyways. I know it was a long stretch, because the ork rumor thread was, hilariously large, and I just didn't care by page 100 or so.

If the new flyer goes up for pre-order this weekend/August 2, I would not expect the codex under August 30/Sept 6, with dribs and drabs of rules for the new kits spilling out in the white dwarf every week.

GW haven't been consistent with their release times lately and given they've mostly locked down the rumours now, we'll know when the codex is coming out the week before the release of the white dwarf that shows the new codex (approximately when retailers get it and start posting pics).

I actually really like this model, as I think the caestus ram is a great looking ship. Not such a fan of the Stormfang variant as i feel it is more akin to an assault boat than a flyer due to the lack of wings.