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I get the impression it attacks by flying/hovering at a 30-45 degree angle, allowing it to reign fire down onto ground targets. It then levels out for troops to disembark. That would make the positioning make more sense, as otherwise forward-facing guns only work at huge range, or for mixing with other fighters, which this clearly isn't meant to do.

Also, rule of cool. It's big, blocky, and having sticky-outy gun turrets would detract from that.

The flyer is like "It's almost good, but something's just not right with it."
I also have $10 that says the Wolf dex will be boring, uninspired, random nerfs and more random tables.

 cincydooley wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I love the caestus, and enjoy that they have another model (loosely) based on it, but also think they completely missed the point when they gave it a regular cockpit and a back ramp.

Skeptical, but vaguely optimistic.

edit: wait, so, there's also a front-transport version? If so, I think I'll be using these as proxies for stormravens, since I hate the look of those.

I think I may actually do an armored cockpit for the assault version. Shouldn't be too hard with a little plasticard.

Yeah, thinking that's probably what I'll do- cut off all the SW stuff, re-armor the cockpit unless I decide it looks fine in person, call it a stormraven, and still look forward to the day I can get my hands on an actual caestus

Did I see the Helfrost Cannon has the same stats as the Helfrost Destructor? If so, then the two ships have functionally identical firepower (actually the transport has slightly more as the Cannon mount is twin linked).

Jefffar wrote:
Did I see the Helfrost Cannon has the same stats as the Helfrost Destructor? If so, then the two ships have functionally identical firepower (actually the transport has slightly more as the Cannon mount is twin linked).

If I recall, the transport was small blast, the gunship was large blast.

Jefffar wrote:
Did I see the Helfrost Cannon has the same stats as the Helfrost Destructor? If so, then the two ships have functionally identical firepower (actually the transport has slightly more as the Cannon mount is twin linked).

No, the one on the transport version is weaker and doesn't have lance.

The other one has lance and the large blast

Personally I am not a fan, its just a bit too boxy in my book.

I like fliers to look like they might actually get off the ground at some point!

Correct. Large blast for gunship.

 MWHistorian wrote:

I also have $10 that says the Wolf dex will be boring, uninspired, random nerfs and more random tables.

Sounds awesome!!!

 MWHistorian wrote:
I also have $10 that says the Wolf dex will be boring, uninspired, random nerfs and more random tables.

Easy bet to win against since the first two are entirely subjective, the third one is unprovable and the last one is 95% false (unless you count warlord traits and psychic powers).

 streamdragon wrote:

 kenneydee wrote:
I thought SW didn't believe in flyers and all that jazz. I remember there was some reason behind their terminators not deep striking.

I think the 4th edition codex made some mention about fearing Teleporter technology (which they had used repeatedly prior to that codex). It also gaves us the "space wolves don't like jump packs and prefer to fight with feet on the ground" nonsense. Glad to see both may be going by the wayside.

It wasn't just a 4th ed thing. Blood Claws have always been the only ones to make any real use of jump packs, and I'm fairly sure the dislike for teleporters was mentioned in 2nd edition, somewhere.

Actual flying craft are acceptable, though. They've always had Thunderhawks, for example.



On the new flyer... As a dropship, I don't entirely hate it.

As a gunship...?

Nope. That's not happening.

It was definitely in 3rd edition. (The no teleport thing) Along with the 'fight with their feet on the ground' bit.

I WANT to like it, but I can't get the idea of it being a flying grey clog out of my head. Y'know, as in a wooden shoe. It's just not right for a flyer

Leggy wrote:
I WANT to like it, but I can't get the idea of it being a flying grey clog out of my head. Y'know, as in a wooden shoe. It's just not right for a flyer

A shoe is far more pleasant than what immediately came to mind when I saw it.

Ehh the new flier looks okay. Personally I like infantry models more then vehicles (and especially more then fliers) so I am not too excited.


I'm just happy they aren't calling it a "Skywolf" ore something.

On one hand I want this codex since it brings one of my armies up to date.

On the other there's that awful flyer which contradicts the "feet on the ground" fluff the Space Wolves have always had. What's next? Teleporting Wolf Guard?

No matter what my dumb self will shell out the $50 for an updated codex with which to try to tempt my friends back into the game (on a casual level) and most likely fail.

 Etna's Vassal wrote:

On the other there's that awful flyer which contradicts the "feet on the ground" fluff the Space Wolves have always had. .

The feet on the ground thing just means they don't like using jump packs. They've always had thunder hawks and land speeders.

 Etna's Vassal wrote:
On the other there's that awful flyer which contradicts the "feet on the ground" fluff the Space Wolves have always had. What's next? Teleporting Wolf Guard?

It doesn't contradict anything.

SW prefer to fight with feet on the ground. This is why they use transports (like Drop Pods, Rhinos, Thunderhawks) to get them to where they can fight on the ground. They do not like to fight in mid air with jump packs like some kind of wet behind the ears Storm Claw. It has always been like this.

Also, this has never applied to Fighting Aircraft (Land Speeders, etc) which have always been separate from 'fighting with both feet on the ground'.

Go ahead and take a look at your previous codexes or the fluff again and you'll see that this flyer has nothing to do with contradiction.

Seeing the new SW flyer makes me want to model a giant straight handle for its flying base to make it look like a giant flying hammer.

 Remulus wrote:
I'm just happy they aren't calling it a "Skywolf" ore something.

Stormwolf is that much better?

First reactions to 40k flyers are a bit like looking at clouds. "That one looks like a croissant! That one's a goldfish! And that one's a goatse!" Now the Stormwolf's either a shoe or a dog's head. I'm all for healthy debate, but let's please settle on one or the other before it's too late. I need to know precisely which internet meme I should be incessantly referencing when I see these across the table. Thank you.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
I think at this point with what I'm hearing in the rumours, I'm more annoyed at the prospect of losing the WG squad leaders. If they take away the true grit on GH, it sucks but I can kind of understand it. I'll just drop in and rapid fire and let them come at my CA but taking away the leader of the pack will really irk me because it's one of the bits of fluff I really loved.

The main annoyance if they make the change as rumoured is that it fraks up many of my models that are armed with Bolter/CCW. I'd rather they changed it to not have CA than get rid of Bolter/CCW/Pistol.

I was thinking about this today and a solution occurred to me that was stupidly obvious - make them Wolf Guard. If they've been around long enough that they have true grit then they deserve the promotion anyway.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'll be unhappy if the GH rumour of having Bolter/Pistol and being able to swap the Bolter for a CCW is true.

On their own website they have several Bolter/CCW equipped guys.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Wolves-Grey-Hunters

Hopefully it's just Bolter/Pistol and for +1 pt you get a CCW in addition to the Bolter/Pistol not replacing the Bolter or Pistol.

Also if they get rid of WG mixed Termie squads and being able to lead squads with Termies, I'll also be unhappy.

GW do seem to love making me unhappy though. My SW are hanging on a knife's edge at the moment, if GW screw them up, I think I'll just give the SW away.

How dare GW change things that no one else has anymore!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
When the Chibi-Hawk first came out I made the bold prediction that the next Marine flyer would be the opposite of that. Rather than having big wings and no fuselage it would have no wings and a bit fuselage. I was mostly right about the Space Guppy... but clearly I was not predicting the future, just the far future because Jesus Christ that thing has tiny wings.

I actually love it. Damned shame it's Wolves only.

Yeah I hate the small wings, but otherwise it looks pretty frakkin' rad. I don't even want to use it as a transport, maybe only in Apoc when I run out of Rhinos for all my infantry. Oh and you are never going to be able to draw LOS from those missiles/lascannons/turret mounted on the top of the vehicle (except to other flyers I suppose)? And am I the only one who actually likes the shootier version? If GW makes it <$85, I'll probably buy 2.

Now I know it's been said before, but I want to chime in:

A Space Marine "gunship" with transport capacity, brick-like aerodynamics and a very large main gun?

Errr...isn't that the Thunderhawk?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
No I know it's been said before, but I want to chime in:

A Space Marine "gunship" with transport capacity, brick-like aerodynamics and a very large main gun?

Errr...isn't that the Thunderhawk?

Yes, but this one is a fifth the $ cost of a Thunder Hawk, and more accessible in the US.

EDIT: Fluff: Space Wolves like to fight in their pack and don't want to share their transport, This allows for more focused assaults to planets without the commitment of sending Thunderhawks out.

Or something, listen view it like a Drop Pod that gets to shoot crap as it falls.

Plus, the Space Wolf codex was woefully lacking in the "requisite giant model" category.

 Paradigm wrote:
I get the impression it attacks by flying/hovering at a 30-45 degree angle, allowing it to reign fire down onto ground targets. It then levels out for troops to disembark. That would make the positioning make more sense, as otherwise forward-facing guns only work at huge range, or for mixing with other fighters, which this clearly isn't meant to do.

Yep, most ground attack aircraft have forward-facing guns, anyway. Technically, also the turret could be there to defend against enemy fighters, as was often the case with WW2 ground attack aircraft - although I'm sure the idea has been just to add more dakka to the machine

Hold the damn phone...

Which army benefits more from stasis and rad grenades vs ark of death?

GW has mixed up the flyers again! SW should have the DA flyers and vice versa! I finally found a use for the DA stasis bomb!

Oh i cant wait for this...

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Plus, the Space Wolf codex was woefully lacking in the "requisite giant model" category.

Well, it could have been a Wolfknight instead. A quadrupedal Dreadnought for a critically injured thunderwolf, ridden by a Space Wolf Dreadnought.