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2014/07/26 19:52:46
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
streamdragon wrote: I actually asked the question of why Bjorn didn't end up in one, and the answer was basically "those frames were already 'old' when Bjorn needed to be interred, and they didn't make them anymore", which of course makes no sense as that would mean any currently run contemptor dreads would have space marines older than Bjorn who fought along side the Emperor.
A dreadnought can have multiple occupants over its in-service lifetime.
Which marks of dreadnought, if any, we're introduced post heresy?
2014/07/26 19:57:21
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Just fanwank here, but perhaps Bjorn's original chassis was so old and battle-worn that it became irreparable and he had to be interred in a newer model of Dreadnought?
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2014/07/26 20:04:09
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
I've heard a few things about it, I can't remember all the sources.
1) He isn't in a contemptor because they are considered bad mojo. Dark Sagas.
2) He isn't in a contemptor because the Mark V is more reliable/easier to repair and it was the most common. So it was likely the only option anyway. Space Marines don't tend to kick people out of them for other people.
That's of course to make the fluff fit, which leaves
3) He is in one because that was the model he was put in when first made, and countless official GW images have him in a Mark V. So he's a Mark V.
I personally love the Grim darkness of a Coffin with legs. The contemptor is awesome, but, just off for me somehow.
One thing to remember, he was not interned during the Heresy, but some time after it.
Here is the official art for Bjorn
Looks right to me.
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2014/07/26 20:05:53
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
I would be kind of sensible to interpret it that way. I mean, heck, was the original version of Epic- called Space Marine- older than the original Bjorn sculpt? Because that version of Epic took place between Marines during the Horus Heresy, and the dreadnought sculpts therein were what FW used as inspiration for their Contemptors.
So it's possible that with hindsight, even when the original Bjorn came out, he was in a modern-day dreadnought model. So maybe his Contemptor was indeed just too far damaged so he was moved to a new pattern chassis.
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2014/07/26 20:11:28
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
AegisGrimm wrote: I would be kind of sensible to interpret it that way. I mean, heck, was the original version of Epic- called Space Marine- older than the original Bjorn sculpt? Because that version of Epic took place between Marines during the Horus Heresy, and the dreadnought sculpts therein were what FW used as inspiration for their Contemptors.
So it's possible that with hindsight, even when the original Bjorn came out, he was in a modern-day dreadnought model. So maybe his Contemptor was indeed just too far damaged so he was moved to a new pattern chassis.
Another very possible reason.
In other words, there are any number of viable reasons he is in a Mark V.
2014/07/26 20:15:30
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
That's true too. They are like power armor MK's, just extremely more rare.
So if a Chapter has a Contemptor left, then it would probably go to the most respected and lauded Marine upon his "rebirth", even if there are older marines in other, newer Dreadnoughts. Thuogh probably it would go to the oldest, for the same above reasons.
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2014/07/26 20:20:35
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
Bulldogging wrote: I've heard a few things about it, I can't remember all the sources.
1) He isn't in a contemptor because they are considered bad mojo. Dark Sagas.
Source is IA Apocalypse 2nd edition. Though Björn isn't mentioned.
*Space Wolves always had very few Contemptors
*dark reputation that also taints the inhabitants
*Iron Priests began to put only warriors in who were already kinda difficult/dark in life
*Sagas: Oathes of Sundered Brotherhood, Hubris and Master of Slaughter
2014/07/26 20:35:27
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm honestly not seeing why so many people love the contemptor design. It looks way too retro-50s-Iron-Giant for me...
It fits the chain of Contemptor -> TDA -> Power Armour in terms of aesthetics much more than the traditional Dreadnought does. Which is fine when you consider that Dreads are vehicles, but people like continuity of design, even if just subconsciously.
As for Bjorn, yeah, I'll just put some bling on a Contemptor. Never really liked the traditional Dread design that much.
2014/07/26 20:47:40
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
GW: "We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants"
2014/07/26 20:51:58
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm honestly not seeing why so many people love the contemptor design. It looks way too retro-50s-Iron-Giant for me...
I'm with you on this one brother. I'm so grateful they went for the traditional chassis for Bjorn, both in terms of me preferring the standard Mark V and in terms of not throwing my existing Mark V 'conversions' (read: wolf-blinged) out of whack. Just want a decent eyes-on that sprue, (although I'll probably just make Bjorn and use him as a 'counts-as' if needs be, can't imagine I'll need two right away).
Omega Wolves Expeditionary Force - 7,000pts
2014/07/26 21:19:37
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
Thanks for the post dude... let the chaos begin!
My main concern at this time is the way the close combat options are listed for WG Termies, i.e. "a pair of wolf claws" or "a powerfist/a chainfist" as I have five models in TDA all with a wolf claw and powerfist/chainfist, (cheesy way of having two specialist weapons for the +1 attack and yet be able to choose between them). I guess I expected this after the standardisation of Codex: Space Marines but was hoping we might retain our 'flair' somewhat. Worse than that however is my Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf with the same loadout... reallllly hate ripping models apart; I've left my Stormclaw Termies on the sprue for this very reason.
Murderfang sounds ridiculous, both in the vernacular and gameplay sense, (although I came to terms with the former the day I chose Wolves). Perhaps I will need two of those new Dreadnought kits after all... damn.
Glad to see Canis in the book after rumours of his removal, interested to see what Harald will bring to the table, (rumoured TWC as Troops choice seems a bit harsh to all those Orks players out there that lost Nob bikers!)
Finally, a proper use for Acute Senses!
I'm fine with not having the Codex: Space Marines omissions as above, and it makes sense from a fiscal sense for GW to only throw the Helfrost weapons on the new kits, as much as it pains me to admit it.
Those Logan rumours seem waaaaay and beyond what even I would deem to be a bit much for us Wolves players but damn do I want one if it turns out to be true, a) crazy chariot rules, b) for the hobbyist in me and c) just to hear the calamitous complaints from every single non-Wolves player-opponent.
Although again, I wish they would make dual kits for Ulric/Wolf Priest and Ragnar/Wolf Lord, or even just new kits - Iron Priest has already had some work done for the flyer too, (the former just making more sense), those guys fall into the same camp as old Bjorn in my book - too old school for me to want to put in my army. The whole mannequin/staring directly forward pose really doesn't do it for me.
Omega Wolves Expeditionary Force - 7,000pts
2014/07/26 21:24:24
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
Really? Of all the unique and interesting things they could have done with the space wolves, they decided that YET ANOTHER dreadnought kit was the way to go. Amazingly creative, god i love the design department sometimes. When it comes to loyalist chapters they could just install a copy machine and fire the staff.
Evil Sunz
The Dark Pact
2014/07/26 21:26:41
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits 6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC: Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation: 1 Wolf Lord 1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader 1 unit of Wolf Guard 5 units of Grey Hunters 1 unit of Wolf Scouts 5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws] 2 units of Long Fangs Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item) Armor of Russ (Armor) Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes) Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death) Helm of Durfast (Wargear) Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword) Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well. Stormrider Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances). Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges. Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller No new model shown in codex Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane No new model shown in codex Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer No new model shown in codex Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'. No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest Mostly the same. Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2. No other information.
Wolf Priest Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport No other information
Lukas the Trickster No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport No other information
Dreadnought Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear: Searchlight 'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer Special Rules: Furious Charge It Will Not Die Rage Rampage Murderlust Options: May take a Drop Pod 'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness' S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible. Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest No new model shown in codex Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex, Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex No other information
Lone Wolf Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die No other information
Wolf Guard Pack This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor. Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though): Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield Pair of Wolf Claws Power Fist Frost Axes Frost Sword Combi-weapon Heavy Flamer Assault Cannon Cyclone Missile Launcher May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously: Stormwolf - Fast Attack BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear: Twin-linked helfrost cannon Twin-linked lascannon Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas Ceramite Plating
Special Rules: Assault Vehicle Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport: Transport Capacity - sixteen models Fire Points - none Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear: Helfrost destructor Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon Ceramite Plating
Special Rules: Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport: Transport Capacity - six models Fire Points - none Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient' Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines No Stormtalon No Storm Raven No Hunter or Stalker Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
The thing is, Azreal13, it sounds so ludicrous it must be true. That's the thing, if you were trying to sound legit surely you could come up with something that sounds more believable? Or do you think someone is trolling us really hard with this one?
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This stormrider grav chariot seems like gak. I doubt that they would relaese a plastic kit only for a special character. Unless the kit is in finecast, but even then, I doubt they would release such a big model in resin. Hopefully, it's only a troll job, since it'd probably the worst idea I ever heard. Wolves pulling a grav chariot
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
2014/07/26 21:48:41
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
2014/07/26 21:53:06
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
streetsamurai wrote: This stormrider grav chariot seems like gak. I doubt that they would relaese a plastic kit only for a special character. Unless the kit is in finecast, but even then, I doubt they would release such a big model in resin. Hopefully, it's only a troll job, since it'd probably the worst idea I ever heard. Wolves pulling a grav chariot
The only way I think it could be true is if it was also an upgrade for a wolf lord as well as Logan. So I'm guessing troll. A smart try if so.
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
The thing is, Azreal13, it sounds so ludicrous it must be true. That's the thing, if you were trying to sound legit surely you could come up with something that sounds more believable? Or do you think someone is trolling us really hard with this one?
It would depend on if I were a 14 year old boy or not. As a fully grown man, sure, I'd probably aim conservative in order to be plausible, but we have no concept of the sort of person who has originated this stuff. There's a substantial amount here that was already known/strongly suspected, remove that, account for all the stuff that hasn't been changed at all, and all we're left with is a handful of slightly dubious sounding stuff (isn't Murderfang just a DC Dread ripoff?)
I'm not prepared to outright say I don't believe it, I'm just saying people shouldn't get too excited/angry about it just yet.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
I'm inclined to believe it as at 4 seconds in the teaser video we have 2 wolves that appear to be pulling... something. Plus Grimnar is in the same piece at 25 seconds.
I really really want it to be wrong but I really would not be surprised given what GW have released in the recent past.
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
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If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
2014/07/26 21:57:36
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
Well, I don't have a wolf in this fight, as I don't play them, and my idea for a SW force some time in the future wouldn't use a whole lot of GW models.
But if they have wolfed the Wolves straight up the wolf, as this post suggests, then I guess they're just the latest in a long line of wolf-wolfings that factions have been receiving recently.
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Azreal13 wrote: Well, I don't have a wolf in this fight, as I don't play them, and my idea for a SW force some time in the future wouldn't use a whole lot of GW models.
But if they have wolfed the Wolves straight up the wolf, as this post suggests, then I guess they're just the latest in a long line of wolf-wolfings that factions have been receiving recently.
...That's wolfed-up man.
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2014/07/26 22:46:51
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
Grimnar in chariot pulled by 2 giant fenrisian wolves... I kinda dig this. My urge to convert this into a murderous Santa Clause is overwhelming. But no mention of storm talons or storm ravens or any AA at all is a shame. Namely because I have 2 ST and 1 SR that needs a home somewhere.
Needing is wanting...
Wanting is Coveting...
Coveting is Sinning...
I am SO going to Hell.
2014/07/26 23:06:08
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11, First picture of Bjorn on p 36 UPDATED 7/26
I was out of the hobby for a few years and must say that I love coming back to some wolf-love! I've been playing many years and can't say enough how awesome the new flyer is. So what it looks like a flying wolfs head? So what that it looks blunt and to the point? It fits the Wolves aesthetic 100%! And this blurb about Logan riding a grav sled pulled by fenrisian wolves? F-yeah!
Bjorn looks just as awesome and ostentatious as he should. Bring on the Murderfang! Ha, I love the explanation of the blades made from 'alien ice that doesn't melt or loose sharpness. You can't take all this too seriously, afterall!
I hate to sound like I'm trying to be an old timer, but some of the GW bashing makes some of you sound like spoiled children who can never be pleased. Back in the old days we didn't have fliers, but we always dreamt of what they would/could look like! What a wonderful time for this hobby of ours!
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