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Stand by. I'll host it somewhere else and link.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Stand by. I'll host it somewhere else and link.

If you look at the entry for the Drop Pod, it will have a symbol showing where it fits in. I haven't seen the SW codex, but if its anything like Orks this will be the FA symbol.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Stand by. I'll host it somewhere else and link.

Remember when I said 'Not the Profile Page'? That's the profile page.

Go back about 5-10 pages and look at all the unit entries with points costs sorted by FOC slot. You'll find drop pods under FA in there.

Thats what im telling ya. There is no section that breaks it down like that. The FA symbol is on the drop pod yes. But its also on the rhino and razorback and the stormfangs. Im thinking they trolled you.

So they went to the trouble of moulding a base-sized piece into the floor of the chariot, but didn't think to make it a separate piece so that Logan would be removable?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Thats what im telling ya. There is no section that breaks it down like that. The FA symbol is on the drop pod yes. But its also on the rhino and razorback and the stormfangs. Im thinking they trolled you.

And you think those things aren't Fast Attack choices?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Thats what im telling ya. There is no section that breaks it down like that. The FA symbol is on the drop pod yes. But its also on the rhino and razorback and the stormfangs. Im thinking they trolled you.

But by the rules of choosing your force in 7th, that is all it needs.

 insaniak wrote:
So they went to the trouble of moulding a base-sized piece into the floor of the chariot, but didn't think to make it a separate piece so that Logan would be removable?

Looks like he plugs into the hole of it, and the hole on his normal base

So from a quick look at the front page, I didn't see the ability to make TWC troops under the Harald Deathwolf entry. Was that just wishful thinking disguised as a rumor or is that hidden somewhere else?

Ok. Maybe im missing something then. Did the dedicated transport rule go away or are you saying because the stromfang has the FA symbol every army can now take one?


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 warboss wrote:
So from a quick look at the front page, I didn't see the ability to make TWC troops under the Harald Deathwolf entry. Was that just wishful thinking disguised as a rumor or is that hidden somewhere else?

Wishful thinking. They can use his Ld if within 12" though.

They are getting at the idea that because the drop pod has a FA symbol, it is now a FA choice. SO now for the first time a drop pod is just a transport. not a DEDICATED one. So they are trying to make sure that you can buy 3 drop pods for your 3 FA slots.

Out of curiosity, what USR and special stuff do Lone wolves have?

Ah, an extrapolation point then... they are not listed in the summary as a specific FA choice so i would say no. But we've seen people fight to the death over less so...

 warboss wrote:
So from a quick look at the front page, I didn't see the ability to make TWC troops under the Harald Deathwolf entry. Was that just wishful thinking disguised as a rumor or is that hidden somewhere else?

I'm hoping, and it is a hope, that the supplement will alow this. I only think this might be the case because of the logan box set avaliable for pre order.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Ah, an extrapolation point then... they are not listed in the summary as a specific FA choice so i would say no. But we've seen people fight to the death over less so...

Apologies, because I forgot the new format, but under that idea all heavy vehicles wouldn't be available to take as heavy choices.

If it's listed in the codex with the FA symbol, it's a FA choice. (just double checked the ork codex and its the same with Trukks).

 pretre wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Ah, an extrapolation point then... they are not listed in the summary as a specific FA choice so i would say no. But we've seen people fight to the death over less so...

Apologies, because I forgot the new format, but under that idea all heavy vehicles wouldn't be available to take as heavy choices.

If it's listed in the codex with the FA symbol, it's a FA choice. (just double checked the ork codex and its the same with Trukks).

Just as I said further up.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

 warboss wrote:
So from a quick look at the front page, I didn't see the ability to make TWC troops under the Harald Deathwolf entry. Was that just wishful thinking disguised as a rumor or is that hidden somewhere else?

I'm hoping, and it is a hope, that the supplement will alow this. I only think this might be the case because of the logan box set avaliable for pre order.

The Ghazghkull Thraka supplement didn't allow for Meganobs as Troops, Storm Boyz as Troops, Kommando Troops, etc.

It more than anything will likely be a specific formation.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I did. Looking at it now. No Drop Pods listed as Fast Attack. Just TWC, S/S Claws, flyer, etc.

Sigh..

 pretre wrote:
Wait, I think you're confused. Check the back of your book. Not the profile page, but the pages you use to pay for points costs.

Bolded for emphasis! You are looking at the profile page. That is just a summary.

What people are asking is:
*Do some units have access to Drop Pods, etc, as Dedicated Transport?
*Can you also buy those Drop Pods, etc, independently as a Fast Attack-choice?

The answer to the first question has to be yes, the second one is actually what people have rumoured.

That's a weird take on the rules, but like I said - Stormfangs are not inherently SW only then as it is just a "FA" choice by the same extrapolation.

So everyone feel free to make use of frost cannons, as they are just another weapon on a FA choice.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
That's a weird take on the rules, but like I said - Stormfangs are not inherently SW only then as it is just a "FA" choice by the same extrapolation.

No, you're misunderstanding the argument.

We aren't saying that SW Drop Pods can be taken in other non-SW armies. We're saying you can take a Drop Pod as a FA choice in a SW army. Then, because it is empty, another squad (either SW or allied battle brother) can get in it pre-deployment. This is true of any vehicle that you can buy empty that has a transport choice.

So, for example, right now you can buy a land raider as a heavy in a C:SM army and put any battle brother unit in it pre-deployment.

Now the same is true of SW Drop Pods.

To be fair, that might not actually be the case. They might put out a FAQ regarding it.

Plus it just seems like cheesy ruletwisting in my opinion.

 Kanluwen wrote:
To be fair, that might not actually be the case. They might put out a FAQ regarding it.

Plus it just seems like cheesy ruletwisting in my opinion.

They haven't been to up on FAQs recently, so I'm not holding my breath.

I agree that it is probably unintended, but pretty clearly works.

 pretre wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
That's a weird take on the rules, but like I said - Stormfangs are not inherently SW only then as it is just a "FA" choice by the same extrapolation.

No, you're misunderstanding the argument.

We aren't saying that SW Drop Pods can be taken in other non-SW armies. We're saying you can take a Drop Pod as a FA choice in a SW army. Then, because it is empty, another squad (either SW or allied battle brother) can get in it pre-deployment. This is true of any vehicle that you can buy empty that has a transport choice.

So, for example, right now you can buy a land raider as a heavy in a C:SM army and put any battle brother unit in it pre-deployment.

Now the same is true of SW Drop Pods.

Just a note, this only applies to reserves. During normal deployment the only thing that can deploy embarked is troops inside their own dedicated transport (plus independent characters attached to that unit)

 Watching Paint Dry wrote:
During normal deployment the only thing that can deploy embarked is troops inside their own dedicated transport (plus independent characters attached to that unit)

What? Page reference please.

Whichever method you use, models must either deploy within their deployment zone, or
be held back in Reserve. Models can be deployed ‘inside’ buildings, fortifications, or
Transport vehicles in their deployment zone, subject to their Transport Capacity. Units
may not be deployed in impassable terrain. Note that models must be deployed fully
within their deployment zone: you can’t have part of a model inside the deployment zone
and part of the model outside it!

You're mixing up the prohibition on DTs only deploying with their own unit and some broader thought on transports in general.

Question:

Does CHampions of Fenris contain New warlord traits not found in codex: space wolves?

Regarding embarking, in the ebook version its on page 282/340 in the section called "combining reserve units"

Basically it says reserves can embark in any transport held in reserve and roll together.

 Watching Paint Dry wrote:

Basically it says reserves can embark in any transport held in reserve and roll together.

This is what makes me think you can't take them as a choice - it has to come as a transport option, not a stand alone option.

Only way I know to buy them is for a transport option, not stand alone unless they have an entry in the Profile Page <bold and sigh for emphasis>

Not that I wouldn't want to. Podded Sisters is a great idea.

No, the profile page doesn't dictate what you can and cannot take.

Best example is the Ork Trukk.
It's listed both with a Fast Attack symbol ánd as an option for Boyz.
That means you can take it as Dedicated Transport or you can take a Trukk without Boyz.

So the question basically is: "Do Drop Pods (etc) have a lightning-symbol on its entry?"

According to this thread: Yes.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/330/608942.page

Kangodo wrote:
No, the profile page doesn't dictate what you can and cannot take.

Best example is the Ork Trukk.
It's listed both with a Fast Attack symbol ánd as an option for Boyz.
That means you can take it as Dedicated Transport or you can take a Trukk without Boyz.

So the question basically is: "Do Drop Pods (etc) have a lightning-symbol on its entry?"

What is the symbol for DT only entries?

Triszin wrote:
Question:

Does CHampions of Fenris contain New warlord traits not found in codex: space wolves?

As you can read in the description on the GW site, yes it does have new warlord traits.

I'm not going to continue the debate here as it is more of a 40k Rules debate. It would definately be a defining difference for 7th ed.