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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:37:40
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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News flash, Sparky... I'm a Southerner. In a related story, all of the economic reasons for the war were tied to slavery. Is the South poorer than the North? That's because of your agrarian economy. Why is it agrarian? Slavery. The North has a stronger industrial base. Why? Because industrial labor forces require a higher degree of education than agrarian ones. Historically, educating slaves leads to revolts and unrest (one of the reasons England outlawed education in Ireland for a while) so the South can't switch to an industrial economy without educating their labor force... the slaves. Hmmm... there's that slavery thing again. The South has limited political representation? Maybe if they didn't own slaves then they could count the entirety of their population for purposes of determining seats in the House, instead of only using 3/5 of a black person. Slavery was too low-cost to give up, because white workers cost more? Baloney. The lifetime costs of housing and feeding a slave were almost exactly the same as the average wages for a white worker in the pre-war period. The war was about slavery, no matter how you cut it. Pretending otherwise is revisionist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:39:05
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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MrDwhitey wrote:Looks like we got some Southern revisionism going on!
States rights. Rights to own slaves. Np.
You mean like how if that was the case, the north would have instantly just passed the anti-slavery bill instead of waiting till more then halfway into the war to do so? Considering they still owned slaves up there and all too.
News flash, Sparky... I'm a Southerner. In a related story, all of the economic reasons for the war were tied to slavery. Is the South poorer than the North? That's because of your agrarian economy. Why is it agrarian? Slavery. The North has a stronger industrial base.
Aside from the constant agrarian tariffs upon the south forcing them to sell cheaply to the north, the constant benefits of the northern economic base when it came to government policies.
Even if I really didn't support the split in the country of it, much of the issue with being poorer aside from an economic base was because the government was more supportive of north policies.
It was a bad war, much of it tied to slavery, but to say the entire thing was when a few states of the south didn't have their economic base tied to slavery yet they still joined in regardless is rather interesting
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:40:58
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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We should note, most did not fight FOR slavery. They either fought because their states were invaded, or more commonly, they were drafted (don't worry. like the North, the rich could legally buy their way out).
But the system, the underlying reasons, and the reasons the legislators voted to secede, were for the state right - the right to own slaves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:46:06
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Aside from the constant agrarian tariffs upon the south forcing them to sell cheaply to the north, the constant benefits of the northern economic base when it came to government policies.
The only reason those policies were enacted is because the South lacked the political clout to block them. Why? Uneven representation in the government. Why? Well, their actual population wasn't being used in calculating how many seats they were entitled to in the House of Representatives. Why? 3/5ths compromise because of... y'know... slavery.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:47:11
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:
You mean like how if that was the case, the north would have instantly just passed the anti-slavery bill instead of waiting till more then halfway into the war to do so? Considering they still owned slaves up there and all too.
Man, it's like it wasn't an issue that had to be approached with care so as not to alienate entirely states that were on the fence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:47:19
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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squidhills wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Aside from the constant agrarian tariffs upon the south forcing them to sell cheaply to the north, the constant benefits of the northern economic base when it came to government policies.
The only reason those policies were enacted is because the South lacked the political clout to block them. Why? Uneven representation in the government. Why? Well, their actual population wasn't being used in calculating how many seats they were entitled to in the House of Representatives. Why? 3/5ths compromise because of... y'know... slavery.
Which was also caused by a change in governmental policies in how the states were represented in the government to begin with.
Man, it's like it wasn't an issue that had to be approached with care so as not to alienate entirely states that were on the fence.
So if it was entirely about the slavery, why would they care otherwise if not to abolish it? Or was it just another political tool to be used at the time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:49:24
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:squidhills wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Aside from the constant agrarian tariffs upon the south forcing them to sell cheaply to the north, the constant benefits of the northern economic base when it came to government policies.
The only reason those policies were enacted is because the South lacked the political clout to block them. Why? Uneven representation in the government. Why? Well, their actual population wasn't being used in calculating how many seats they were entitled to in the House of Representatives. Why? 3/5ths compromise because of... y'know... slavery.
Which was also caused by a change in governmental policies in how the states were represented in the government to begin with.
The 3/5ths compromise was the reason the free states agreed to join the slave states in this whole "America" thing. If they couldn't do the math in 1776, they probably deserved what they got.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:51:13
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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squidhills wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:squidhills wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Aside from the constant agrarian tariffs upon the south forcing them to sell cheaply to the north, the constant benefits of the northern economic base when it came to government policies.
The only reason those policies were enacted is because the South lacked the political clout to block them. Why? Uneven representation in the government. Why? Well, their actual population wasn't being used in calculating how many seats they were entitled to in the House of Representatives. Why? 3/5ths compromise because of... y'know... slavery.
Which was also caused by a change in governmental policies in how the states were represented in the government to begin with.
The 3/5ths compromise was the reason the free states agreed to join the slave states in this whole "America" thing. If they couldn't do the math in 1776, they probably deserved what they got.
Fair enough on that than.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 18:51:33
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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Oh, because I dunno, causing several more states to declare secession and join in the war against the Union and potentially cause a victory for a Confederacy in the long run, might be a fething issue.
War Democrats and border States, as well as moderate Republicans delayed the emancipation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:01:52
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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MrDwhitey wrote:Oh, because I dunno, causing several more states to declare secession and join in the war against the Union and potentially cause a victory for a Confederacy in the long run, might be a fething issue.
War Democrats and border States, as well as moderate Republicans delayed the emancipation.
There's also the fact that they timed it when the Confederacy was seeking aid from Britain, who didn't want to be involved in a war after that point for something they had abolished a while ago.
But lets be honest, the states that would have joined the Confederacy would not have helped, the north still had far more manpower in it's key states, industry, and factories for munitions equipment. The south literally had one to two factories that could produce artillery. It was not a war that was going to be won in a straight out fight even with the border states.
They couldn't even FEED themselves after a while, and was scrounging supplies from anywhere they had, it was not a winnable war to begin with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:05:17
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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Well, it wasn't a war they could afford to drag on as long as it did.
The only way the South could have won, and almost did, was if they got a bunch of early victories, demoralized the enemy, and quickly sued for peace.
But the war dragged on and they lost because of attrition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:10:05
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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It certainly did help that the evil practices that one side wanted to continue indefinitely whilst the other wished to phase it out, did persuade people not to help them.
I've no doubt that the proclamation was also used as a political tool, what isn't?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:20:31
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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You all guessing what moved an individual to fight for the Confederate States. State Rights, Slavery, whatever.
”Some historians emphasize that Civil War soldiers were driven by political ideology, holding firm beliefs about the importance of liberty, Union, or state rights, or about the need to protect or to destroy slavery. Others point to less overtly political reasons to fight, such as the defense of one's home and family, or the honor and brotherhood to be preserved when fighting alongside other men. Most historians agree that, no matter what he thought about when he went into the war, the experience of combat affected him profoundly and sometimes affected his reasons for continuing to fight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:31:37
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Jihadin wrote:You all guessing what moved an individual to fight for the Confederate States. State Rights, Slavery, whatever.
”Some historians emphasize that Civil War soldiers were driven by political ideology, holding firm beliefs about the importance of liberty, Union, or state rights, or about the need to protect or to destroy slavery. Others point to less overtly political reasons to fight, such as the defense of one's home and family, or the honor and brotherhood to be preserved when fighting alongside other men. Most historians agree that, no matter what he thought about when he went into the war, the experience of combat affected him profoundly and sometimes affected his reasons for continuing to fight.
I'm not. They was drafted...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:32:42
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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Frazzled wrote: Jihadin wrote:You all guessing what moved an individual to fight for the Confederate States. State Rights, Slavery, whatever.
”Some historians emphasize that Civil War soldiers were driven by political ideology, holding firm beliefs about the importance of liberty, Union, or state rights, or about the need to protect or to destroy slavery. Others point to less overtly political reasons to fight, such as the defense of one's home and family, or the honor and brotherhood to be preserved when fighting alongside other men. Most historians agree that, no matter what he thought about when he went into the war, the experience of combat affected him profoundly and sometimes affected his reasons for continuing to fight.
I'm not. They was drafted...
And many joined regardless of the draft.
Considering things like Sherman's acts of war, which took till WW2 before things were fully fixed, I'm pretty sure they understood why they had to fight regardless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:45:12
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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Frazzled wrote:
No murder the hell out of the South is killing everything living within reach. Sherman was a lightweight.*
*For reference see destruction of the Plains Indians for how the Union Army really practiced "murder the hell out of" an enemy.
Glad to see that tactic worked so well for Custer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:50:36
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: Frazzled wrote:
No murder the hell out of the South is killing everything living within reach. Sherman was a lightweight.*
*For reference see destruction of the Plains Indians for how the Union Army really practiced "murder the hell out of" an enemy.
Glad to see that tactic worked so well for Custer 
Sand Creek Massacre...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 19:56:46
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 20:26:48
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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squidhills wrote:@ EveryonewhowastalkingaboutSwatstikas...
The Swatstika used by the Nazis is a different symbol than the Buddhist symbol that comes from Asia (that is known in Japan as the 'Manji'). The Nazi symbol is oriented counter-clockwise and is slanted. The manji is oriented clockwise and is not slanted. To the average person, they look the same, but they are not. The swatstika is not a case of "one symbol; two meanings" its a case of "two similar but different symbols with two totally different meanings".
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Actually, the counter clockwise Swatstika is also used in Hinduism to symbolise Empowerment. You can google image search on 'hindu swastika' and see all those Hindu neo-nazis
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 21:09:31
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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squidhills wrote:
News flash, Sparky... I'm a Southerner. In a related story, all of the economic reasons for the war were tied to slavery. Is the South poorer than the North? That's because of your agrarian economy. Why is it agrarian? Slavery. The North has a stronger industrial base. Why? Because industrial labor forces require a higher degree of education than agrarian ones.
Actually, the south was less industrialized primarily due to geography. The northeastern US has more rivers rivers than the south, rivers were (at the time) essential to industry as they were both a means of transporting goods and powering machinery. In addition to that, the countries primary mining operations were all in the north, primarily because coal and iron ore were more abundant there, as well as various other natural resources needed to fuel industry. On top of that, most of the countries major ports were in the northeast, owing to deeper coastal waters, aforementioned navigable rivers, and more accessible intertidal/litoral zone (turns out theirs this massive reef off the east coast of several southern states that makes them kinda inaccessible and treacherous, and most of the remaining coastline is too swampy or shallow to build a port) as well as their initial proximity to the European ports of embarkation for the initial colonists, as well as successive waves of immigrants post-independence, etc.
Beyond that, early industrial labor didn't require a higher degree of education than agrarian labor. Hell, most industrial laborers lacked any education at all until very late 19th/early 20th century. In any case, you're basically ascribing cause to the effect, in other words, you're basically wrong.
Historically, educating slaves leads to revolts and unrest (one of the reasons England outlawed education in Ireland for a while) so the South can't switch to an industrial economy without educating their labor force... the slaves.
Or, yknow, developing a means to power industrial machinery and processes without a system of fast-flowing rivers to turn mills, or navigable waters through which they could ship goods, or finding largely non-existent coal/iron ore/other deposits nearby, or developing an effective and cost-efficient means of transporting said natural resources south from the northern states where they were mostly concentrated...
You mean like how if that was the case, the north would have instantly just passed the anti-slavery bill instead of waiting till more then halfway into the war to do so? Considering they still owned slaves up there and all too.
Yep, fun fact, the state of New Jersey still had 16 slaves as of 1865, at which point they were emancipated following ratification of the 13th Amendment the following year (and technically one slave remained in bondage to the family that owned him by his own free will until his death in the 1870s).
Why? Uneven representation in the government. Why? Well, their actual population wasn't being used in calculating how many seats they were entitled to in the House of Representatives. Why? 3/5ths compromise because of... y'know... slavery.
Talk about revisionism. The southern states still had 2 Senators a piece in Congress, just like the North. By the way, the 3/5 compromise actually gave the South a disproportionately LARGE amount of representation in Congress relative to the voter base. Its also important to remember that even factoring in slaves as whole persons, the north would still have had more than twice the population of the south (and thus twice the number of representatives in the House).
Man, it's like it wasn't an issue that had to be approached with care so as not to alienate entirely states that were on the fence.
New Jersey definitely wasn't 'on the fence' in that one. Technically they had ended the practice a couple decades before but due to the wording of the law slavery was still functionally in place for a segment of the enslaved population.
But lets be honest, the states that would have joined the Confederacy would not have helped, the north still had far more manpower in it's key states, industry, and factories for munitions equipment. The south literally had one to two factories that could produce artillery. It was not a war that was going to be won in a straight out fight even with the border states.
Well, Kentucky was regarded as the key state that could tip the balance, and Maryland was essential to the Union, as to lose Maryland would provide the South with an important naval base and deepwater port, as well as completely cutting off Washington DC from the rest of the Union.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 21:26:37
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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chaos0xomega wrote:
Beyond that, early industrial labor didn't require a higher degree of education than agrarian labor. Hell, most industrial laborers lacked any education at all until very late 19th/early 20th century. In any case, you're basically ascribing cause to the effect, in other words, you're basically wrong.
Heck, it was work that was being done by 10 year olds!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 21:29:16
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Considering things like Sherman's acts of war, which took till WW2 before things were fully fixed, I'm pretty sure they understood why they had to fight regardless.
Sherman's March to the Sea wasn't until 1864, three years after the war began. I get that you don't like him, but you can't claim that the Southerners were right to take up armed resistance in 1861 because of something that happened in 1864.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 21:43:35
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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squidhills wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Considering things like Sherman's acts of war, which took till WW2 before things were fully fixed, I'm pretty sure they understood why they had to fight regardless.
Sherman's March to the Sea wasn't until 1864, three years after the war began. I get that you don't like him, but you can't claim that the Southerners were right to take up armed resistance in 1861 because of something that happened in 1864.
But time travel!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 21:49:39
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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chaos0xomega wrote:
Or, yknow, developing a means to power industrial machinery and processes without a system of fast-flowing rivers to turn mills, or navigable waters through which they could ship goods, or finding largely non-existent coal/iron ore/other deposits nearby, or developing an effective and cost-efficient means of transporting said natural resources south from the northern states where they were mostly concentrated...
The westernmost portions of Virginia had abundant coal, which could be used for industrial power and other applications. The South had resources apart from slaves and cotton, they just weren't interested in utilizing them effectively. They had no standardized guage for railway tracks in the South, which made it a bear to transport anything via any means that werent the Mississippi or a horse cart. That's not the North's fault. The South could have industrialized. It chose not to, for economic reasons. Industrialization would have cost money and the money the South had was tied up in agrarian pursuits. It is telling that, when Virginia secceeded in favor of slavery, the portion of the state that had nothing at all to do with slavery decided to secceed from Virginia and stay with the Union.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Talk about revisionism. The southern states still had 2 Senators a piece in Congress, just like the North. By the way, the 3/5 compromise actually gave the South a disproportionately LARGE amount of representation in Congress relative to the voter base. Its also important to remember that even factoring in slaves as whole persons, the north would still have had more than twice the population of the south (and thus twice the number of representatives in the House).
In 1861 it wouldn't have mattered. In 1820, it would have. If the South hadn't been so focused on expanding slavery, it could've worked to stymie the legislation that would have impacted it economically and prevented the North from abusing its power. They also could have tried to industrialize more, since not being married to slavery would have allowed some of the money in the economy to go to pursuits that weren't strictly agrarian in nature. As for 2 Senators per state... that's exactly how many each state has now, and nothing gets done at all in Congress. I'm sure the South could've found a way to gridlock Congress as effectively as the political parties have today.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 22:12:01
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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Guys... who are we kidding... we ALL know that the ACW was really about stamping out the Vampire's food stocks!!
Industrialization was bad for the vampires, because that led to electricity, lights and all that forcing them deeper and deeper into dark holes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 22:18:03
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Silly, Vampires got wiped out by Lincoln personally.
No need for industrialization.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 23:38:07
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Grey Templar wrote:Silly, Vampires got wiped out by Lincoln personally.
No need for industrialization.
Crap. You sure? I don't think they tattoo their familiars. No confirm death of Lestate. Edward would have blind.....WAIT!!! Jaspar Hale is up and about somewhere in Washington state...and a Confederate Major to boot and from TEXAS!!
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No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 23:42:29
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Twilight takes place in an alternate universe.
Only way I can sleep at night.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/16 23:51:33
Subject: How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Grey Templar wrote:Twilight takes place in an alternate universe.
Only way I can sleep at night.
Sheesh. Wait till your kid(s) want to be sparkly vampires and applying glitter to their face and hands. Creature of the Black Lagoon needs a remake
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/17 00:28:14
Subject: Re:How to Insure your Car Gets Keyed the First Time You Park
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I'm sure my kids will have something else stupid to waste their time on other than Twilight. One hopes it is no longer a thing by the time they roll around.
Even better, it'll be one of the stupid things their parents generation was into and thus they'll want none of it.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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