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Hey guys, I'll be trying Infinity likely once the new edition comes out and figured for multiple reasons that I'd use 40k models as standins for Infinity models. I strongly prefer playing with fully painted models and I have no shortage of those for 40k. Also, I'm not entirely sure I'll like the rules so I don't want to invest a bunch of cash and then end up finding out that it doesn't suit my particular tastes. I've got Tau, IG, and the ubiquitous Space Marines to use as figs for Infinity and figured I'd ask what I could use them for in the meantime to test out the game. I apologize in advance for any misspellings below.

IG: I like the idea and look of the Geckos so was thinking about using my Cadians as Corregidor Nomad models. Would the Cadians be good as light infantry? I've got the usual cadian medics, comm officers, and special weapons that might work as light infantry like Alguaciel? I've got some mech suits inbound that I plan to use as geckos. Do the blitzen and/or panzerfausts on the geckos actually appear on the official models? Would Kasrkin work well as medium infantry like Hellcats? I figure if guardsmen are light infantry and kasrkin are medium infantry then that leaves heavy infantry for the Marines. I'm guessing the medics would make decent "doc" figs, the comm officers as hackers, and the special weapons as some weapon upgrade.

Tau: I'm not sure what faction these would fit best into but it likely seems like one of the higher tech ones like Pano would fit best compared with the simpler IG/Nomad faction. The fire warriors would be some sort of medium infantry I'm guessing with the crisis suits as some sort of more advanced TAG than the gecko above. I'd guess that the Stealth suits would be some sort of stealth HI if that exists in the Infinity universe. I've only ever looked up the nomads in any detail in the past so I don't have any concrete suggestions here.


Feel free to post sample armies of the above with the infantry and 2 TAGs or so for me to try out as well if you've got the inclination and talent. I'm not looking for killer lists but rather just two forces to try out the rules with a bit of variety (infantry, tags).

I don't think it really matters what you use, just try to make sure each model is distinctly different if its representing something different.

3 Alguaciles? 3 Basic Cadians would be fine. Alguacile with a HMG? Find something with a mean looking gun, like a plasma gun. Don't be afraid to cross factions either. If you want to use some Tomcats, which are drop troops, use a Space Marine assault marine. You and your buddies will be able to instantly recognise it as your drop troop.

 warboss wrote:

IG: I like the idea and look of the Geckos so was thinking about using my Cadians as Corregidor Nomad models. Would the Cadians be good as light infantry? I've got the usual cadian medics, comm officers, and special weapons that might work as light infantry like Alguaciel? I've got some mech suits inbound that I plan to use as geckos. Do the blitzen and/or panzerfausts on the geckos actually appear on the official models? Would Kasrkin work well as medium infantry like Hellcats? I figure if guardsmen are light infantry and kasrkin are medium infantry then that leaves heavy infantry for the Marines. I'm guessing the medics would make decent "doc" figs, the comm officers as hackers, and the special weapons as some weapon upgrade.

Tau: I'm not sure what faction these would fit best into but it likely seems like one of the higher tech ones like Pano would fit best compared with the simpler IG/Nomad faction. The fire warriors would be some sort of medium infantry I'm guessing with the crisis suits as some sort of more advanced TAG than the gecko above. I'd guess that the Stealth suits would be some sort of stealth HI if that exists in the Infinity universe. I've only ever looked up the nomads in any detail in the past so I don't have any concrete suggestions here.

Cadians as LI - yes. They are as light infantry as GW gets without being a zombie or a grot. For a standard figure, it's fine. Your thoughts on the medic/comms specialists as doc/paramedics and hackers works.
Kasrkin as MI - more armour, essentially the same as a LI though. Sometimes a bit slower on the ground.

Tau Stealth suits can even be used as a TO camo (stealth) HI (HI - except for Ariadna - tends to be powered armour.). There ARE several TO HI units in the game - PanO has them, Yu-jing has them, I think even combine has them.
A TAG is roughly the same size as a XV8 suit, too. I used one as my TAG proxy whilst learning the game.

The Gecko models DON'T actually have panzerfausts or blitzens modelled on them. they have the combi-rifles, Mk12 and chain colts showing, but NOT the Pzf or blitzen. My combi-rifle one has the Pzfs as two tubes (disposable launchers) one on each gun - like a one-shot grenade launcher - but I like having weapons represented.

I suggest learning the rules WITHOUT TAGS until you are comfortable with them (as it's considered a "dick move" to use a TAG in a starting game - kinda like using an (40k) imperial Knight in a 500pt intro game. ). They need to be fed orders to be useful - and that's why you need your other stuff on the ground, too.

Thanks for the updates and advice. Good to hear that PanO has some stealth HI for the stealth suits. I was thinking about possibly using Yu Jing as the "counts as" for the friend's marine army when their terra cotta soldier sectorial comes out so I'll likely go with PanO for the tau.

It seems to track, pan-o has better ballistic skill on average, which makes sense with fire warriors and the like.

Don't hold your breath on the sectorial.

There are NO sectorial army units in N3. They will be in "Acheron Falls" in at LEAST a year after N3 drops.

PanO and YJ get their Svarlaheima sectorials, as well as other stuff. This is the book when 'gak gets real' - as the fall of this blockade, means the combine are on their way to dirt, and we are going to be up gak creek without a powerboat.

I knew there were no sectorial lists in N3 but I'm surprised that Acheron Falls is at least a year after that. I figured it would be a winter time release or so since they were previewing the art back in spring. In any case, the YJ terra cotta sectorial thing is a backup for a friend to possibly use his existing collection as well prior to getting the official figs of his choice.

Which PanO HI are stealthed out btw?

They tend to do books on average on a two year timetable. HS was two years after 2nd ed , Paradiso was 2 years after HS, etc.
2 years after Paradiso is this year - so 3rd ed is coming - and Acheron falls got pushed back.

(Paradiso's missions weren't bad - they were just written in a way that was confusing. They need to neaten up that format).

Swiss Guard is the ONLY PanO HI with TO camo. Cutter is the ONLY PanO TO camo TAG.


AVA 1 outside of Neoterra (where it's AVA3 instead).

Mutli-rifle, missile launcher or HMG loadouts.

Going back to the idea of 40k counts as for a minute if I may (I rather not start a new thread about this), how do people think that the infinity rules could work trying to play something more like Dawn of War 2?

My friend and I both greatly dislike the 40k rules but have been having a blast playing DoW recently. I was thinking that with the prevalence of cover and link teams it could replicate the gameplay of 4 characters and their 2 faceless backups running from cover to cover really well. Except that we'd need to stat up a ton of space wolves and chaos or else find appropriat profiles for everything. Either way it'll be like 20 HI vs 20 HI so that might be iffy.

why not take a picture from CB website , resize it to 28mm and print out , temp mount it on a base.

At least you can get to know the system.

and remember Infinity is less aboyt the models than the terrain really.

 Synthetik wrote:
why not take a picture from CB website , resize it to 28mm and print out , temp mount it on a base.

This also works for holoechoes. I used printed images of a model for holoechoes for a 'counts as' bashi bazouk. But i'm sure it would work just as well for representing standard minis.

I appreciate the ideas but at least for me a large part of why I play tabletop minis games is the eye candy in front of me. I try hard to paint my armies (hopefully before using them too much) so I've never been big on cutouts even in my old RPG days. I don't mind using tokens and such though for "invisible" type units and effects however.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Going back to the idea of 40k counts as for a minute if I may (I rather not start a new thread about this), how do people think that the infinity rules could work trying to play something more like Dawn of War 2?

My friend and I both greatly dislike the 40k rules but have been having a blast playing DoW recently. I was thinking that with the prevalence of cover and link teams it could replicate the gameplay of 4 characters and their 2 faceless backups running from cover to cover really well. Except that we'd need to stat up a ton of space wolves and chaos or else find appropriat profiles for everything. Either way it'll be like 20 HI vs 20 HI so that might be iffy.

Oh god no. Pretty much NO miniatures game plays like any version of DoW.

Well, I got my mecha that I planned to use as Geckos. They may in fact be a bit on the large side for Geckos. What is the next step up from geckos in terms of TAG size for nomads? Iguanas? I do plan on repainting the mecha so no worries about that.







They might be just in between the Iguana and Gecko. I'm not sure where the Szalamader and Lizard fit in with the other two in terms of size compared with the other two. Is PH, arm, or str the better stat to look at to gauge that if the model isn't available?

I wanna say it goes...
gekko--> szalamandra--> lizard --> iguana
.. but it's hard to tell without seeing them side-by-side. Szalamandra doesn't even have pilot arms sticking out so it can't be as big as some of the others, lizard and iguana are probably similar.

I'm not sure how well that silhouette size chart holds up, maybe it's just that the gekkos are standing straight and the iguana has a wider stance, but he doesn't come across as that tall.

Your stand-ins look approximately twice as tall as the guardsmen who are more or less of a height with standard infinity guys, which makes your dudes probably slightly bigger than most tags, at least the ones we're talking about. I think they're probably too big for gekkos, though you'll be hard pressed to fit two of any other tag into a list, if you even have the availability to do it. Gekkos rock a 40mm everyone else got bumped to 55mms.

Generally speaking, though, being bigger just makes you easier to shoot... so people may not fuss at your giving them a larger target.

 chromedog wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Going back to the idea of 40k counts as for a minute if I may (I rather not start a new thread about this), how do people think that the infinity rules could work trying to play something more like Dawn of War 2?

My friend and I both greatly dislike the 40k rules but have been having a blast playing DoW recently. I was thinking that with the prevalence of cover and link teams it could replicate the gameplay of 4 characters and their 2 faceless backups running from cover to cover really well. Except that we'd need to stat up a ton of space wolves and chaos or else find appropriat profiles for everything. Either way it'll be like 20 HI vs 20 HI so that might be iffy.

Oh god no. Pretty much NO miniatures game plays like any version of DoW.

Actually, for basic gameplay, Infinity with multiple Haris teams is pretty close to normal gameplay of DoW 2. Small squads of 3-4 that use cover and use fire to kill or pin other units (guts rolls). The main problem is melee - in DoW 2, charging headlong into combat is completely viable, in Infinity it gets you shot in the face. Several times. Then blown up for good measure.

Yeah, ok, they compare if you take out all of the mechanics that make a TTG worth playing. Point and click cannot replace actual mandollies - nor does it compare.

It's removing interaction from me - you may as well pay someone else to play infinity for you while you watch.

 -Loki- wrote:
The main problem is melee - in DoW 2, charging headlong into combat is completely viable, in Infinity it gets you shot in the face. Several times. Then blown up for good measure.

Unless you play Yu Jing. Ninjas can actually get into CC and kill stuff (although they can't shoot or climb well, ironically). For anyone else though, CC is a terrible idea.

I thought there was a saying. 'The Ninja is better off shooting his rifle than trying to attempt CC, and he's a terrible shot'.

Though remember, Ninjas have TO Camo meaning in a shootout enemies have -6 to their BS making him more likely to win the FTF roll than someone without it.