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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 05:45:04
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Are the pre-heresy marines more quantity than quality? Or are they complete equals or perhaps even better than their post heresy counterparts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 06:13:29
Subject: Re:pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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Well Post heresy marines are fewer but have greater tech, so in that sense, yes.
However you have to consider X factors such as lacking the leadership of Big E and the Prim Crew.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 06:39:49
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Sister Vastly Superior
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...better tech? They lost their glaives, fellblades, falchions... and many more.
Theres less tech available these days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 06:40:51
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Depends, if by Pre heresy you mean Horus Heresy Vet, I'd put my money on them due to having experience fighting other astartes. During the Great Crusade however? I'd bet on the Astartes from the forty first millennium, as he probably has experience fighting other space marines, and due to limited numbers likely sees more combat than the higher concentration of astartes during the Great Crusade.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 06:46:47
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Sister Vastly Superior
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Preheresy-HH marines werent as mutated as they are now. Better equipment in general available for them. super heavy tanks, contemptor dreadnaughts.
Come on, it was better before :p
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 08:32:11
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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Well that had more relic tech back then, even few volkite guns etc knocking about. Terminaitors armour was understood to point of advancing it, scary world lol! also with legions far stronger with less own agendas between chapters.
Pre was stronger, they still had jet bikes, still full strength under primarchs and thus stronger
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/23 20:19:08
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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Whilst I believe Pre-heresy era marines would definately have the advantage in terms of technology and numbers, as they certainly possess a great deal of tech 40k-era marines could barely dream of, 40k-marines would be superior in terms of skill though, and would have a greater knowledge on battle tactics, especially against marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/24 02:57:18
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Also Current SM have lots of problems with implants not working anymore or not working as they are supposed to. 30K SM had better tech. But off course current SM use Librarians.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/24 03:11:14
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I would say that the Pre-Heresy marines have better tech (the older marks of armor and types of Bolter are canonically superior to their degraded M41 counterparts) and are biologically superior (they all had pure Geneseed that hadn't been diluted). But inferior in that they were not indoctrinated as thoroughly because they were massed produced.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/24 03:33:57
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Sister Vastly Superior
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They lack primarchs, mate. Primarchs were force multipliers for the legions. We don't have that anymore - and they were heavily loyal too. Some to their Primarchs and others to the Emperor.
Overall, I'd say HH marines were superior in most ways. If anything, combat tactics have been refined through the years, dont you think?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/24 04:09:20
Subject: pre-heresy marine vs post-heresy marine?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Jehan-reznor wrote:Also Current SM have lots of problems with implants not working anymore or not working as they are supposed to. 30K SM had better tech. But off course current SM use Librarians.
Organs don't really matter when the implants Astartes typically miss in 41K are HIGHLY situational and all but useless in a firefight or when wearing armor. Inferior tech as mentioned by others also only comes into play with specialist weapons such as volkite guns or plasma. What really matters however with equal/near equal combatants is experience. Which Astartes as of 41K have, as they have most likely at least have fought Chaos Astartes once, if not more. Astartes of the Great Crusade however only have experience fighting xenos, typically inferior.
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