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Alright, I have a tourney on saturday, and decided to take double tank commanders as my hq. My question is, should I do double demolishers? or 1 demolisher, then 1 punisher with pask to be squad buddies and go around blasting the ever-living out of things? Thanks

We need more info. What the rest of your list looks like, what your local meta looks like, your playing style, etc. etc.

Without knowing more, we're just going to be guessing, really, or trying to hope that general principles will necessarily apply to your specific circumstances.

 Ailaros wrote:
We need more info. What the rest of your list looks like, what your local meta looks like, your playing style, etc. etc.

Without knowing more, we're just going to be guessing, really, or trying to hope that general principles will necessarily apply to your specific circumstances.

Well, truth be told I've never played at this store before except for one time a few months back. My friend who goes regularly said the last time I went was very weird because everyone had some variant of Eldar, and some people didn't show up so it was smaller than normal. So I'm kind of guessing too.

So, last time it was all eldar and deldar, I was playing my eldar army haha. This time, I've heard there may be a sisters of battle player, another AM player, maybe a space marine army, and probably a lot of Eldar.

My list over all was:

Tank Commander: Knight Commander Pask 70
• Leman Russ Battle Tank: lascannon 160
• Leman Russ Battle Tank: lascannon 160
• Leman Russ Vanquisher: lascannon 145

Veteran Squad: 3× meltagun; + 1 Veteran Sergeant 90
Veteran Squad: Veteran Weapons Team (missile launcher); + 1 Veteran Sergeant 75

Deathstrike: heavy flamer 160
Deathstrike: heavy flamer 160
Leman Russ Squadron
• Leman Russ Demolisher 170

Aegis Defence Lines: Gun Emplacement with Quad-gun 100

Farseer 100

5 Rangers 60

Wraithknight: suncannon and scattershield; scatter laser 300

1,750 points

But I realized Eldar and IG are allies of convenience, so I couldnt use my psychic powers on the AM like I wanted to. So I got the idea that maybe just taking another tank commander and putting pask in a punisher with a demolisher as his mate would be a better idea along with adding ~6 ratlings and putting the melta vets in a chimera with heavy flamers.

Wait, so are the eldar in or out?

That list above is what I was going to go with... so, if I go with that list, they are in. If I go with the 2nd tank commander, I would be kicking them out in exchange for either 2 demolishers, or 1 demolisher and 1 punisher. As well as 6 ratlings and a chimera.


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Thanks for your help btw. On a side note Ailaros, I noticed you like to write, 71 chapters is intense! maybe we can exchange writings haha.


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Tank Commander 30
• Leman Russ Battle Tank: lascannon 160
• Leman Russ Battle Tank: lascannon 160
• Leman Russ Vanquisher: lascannon 145
Tank Commander: Knight Commander Pask 70
• Leman Russ Punisher: lascannon 150
• Leman Russ Demolisher 170
Enginseer 40
• 1 Servitor 10
• 1 Servitor 10

6 Ratlings 60

Veteran Squad: Grenadiers; 3× meltagun; + 1 Veteran Sergeant 105
• Chimera: heavy flamer; heavy flamer 65
Veteran Squad: heavy flamer; Veteran Weapons Team (missile launcher with flakk missiles); Forward Sentries; + 1 Veteran Sergeant 105

Deathstrike: heavy flamer; hunter-killer missile; camo netting 185
Deathstrike: heavy flamer; hunter-killer missile; camo netting 185

Aegis Defence Lines: Gun Emplacement with Quad-gun 100

1,750 points

Here's the alternate list. So torn between the two.

I'd take the all-guard list. Triple-down on your strengths rather than just doubling down with a farseer and a haunted jukebox.

Anyways, to your original question, normally I'm really not a fan of autocannons, but in your particular case of low-AV vehicles and Sv4+ infantry, I think you might actually want to consider some exterminators in there. Especially as substitutes for LRBTs. Unless it's an extra frown on proxies tournament, in which case, I'd swap them for "short barreled vanquishers".

The main thing you're going to want to do is to try and match your opponent on volume of fire, which you're going to need sponsons to do.

So, for example, dropping the ratlings (and finding 5 more points otherwise) and replacing that top part of the list with

Exterminator - lascannon, plasma cannons
Exterminator - lascannon, plamsa cannons
Exterminator - lascannon, plasma cannons

Punisher - lascannon, multimeltas, pask
Demolisher

Which drastically increases your killing power. Especially against those mid-range targets that eldar have a huge pile of.

back in 6-th i've run a pasknisher [dozer, melta sponsons, lazcannon] and eradicator [dozer, hb sponsons, hb] as allies for my footslogging orkses. They did great mainly cause i needed both pasknisher and something that ignores cover.
All i can say is that lrbt and demolishers ain't great but if you still take them - don't give them extra weaponry.

 Ailaros wrote:
I'd take the all-guard list. Triple-down on your strengths rather than just doubling down with a farseer and a haunted jukebox.

Anyways, to your original question, normally I'm really not a fan of autocannons, but in your particular case of low-AV vehicles and Sv4+ infantry, I think you might actually want to consider some exterminators in there. Especially as substitutes for LRBTs. Unless it's an extra frown on proxies tournament, in which case, I'd swap them for "short barreled vanquishers".

The main thing you're going to want to do is to try and match your opponent on volume of fire, which you're going to need sponsons to do.

So, for example, dropping the ratlings (and finding 5 more points otherwise) and replacing that top part of the list with

Exterminator - lascannon, plasma cannons
Exterminator - lascannon, plamsa cannons
Exterminator - lascannon, plasma cannons

Punisher - lascannon, multimeltas, pask
Demolisher

Which drastically increases your killing power. Especially against those mid-range targets that eldar have a huge pile of.

Alright got some inside info! One of the armies

" will likely have 4 Land Raiders w/ immunity to melta and lance, Dozer blades, 4+ ignored immobilized and full of power armored veterans with crazy weapons or terminators"

Havelock wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
I'd take the all-guard list. Triple-down on your strengths rather than just doubling down with a farseer and a haunted jukebox.

Anyways, to your original question, normally I'm really not a fan of autocannons, but in your particular case of low-AV vehicles and Sv4+ infantry, I think you might actually want to consider some exterminators in there. Especially as substitutes for LRBTs. Unless it's an extra frown on proxies tournament, in which case, I'd swap them for "short barreled vanquishers".

The main thing you're going to want to do is to try and match your opponent on volume of fire, which you're going to need sponsons to do.

So, for example, dropping the ratlings (and finding 5 more points otherwise) and replacing that top part of the list with

Exterminator - lascannon, plasma cannons
Exterminator - lascannon, plamsa cannons
Exterminator - lascannon, plasma cannons

Punisher - lascannon, multimeltas, pask
Demolisher

Which drastically increases your killing power. Especially against those mid-range targets that eldar have a huge pile of.

Alright got some inside info! One of the armies

" will likely have 4 Land Raiders w/ immunity to melta and lance, Dozer blades, 4+ ignored immobilized and full of power armored veterans with crazy weapons or terminators"

That's not a Land Raider, that's a Pre-heresy Spartan. Why are you playing a Pre-Heresy army with a 40k army? They're designed for different things.

No clue, that's just how the tourney is I guess..?

Well bring vanquishers, then. They're rather worse against wave serpents, but they can blow up land raiders.

Would you recommend a second vanquisher and replace one of the standard russes in the 1st HQ section? Making it 2 vanquishers and 1 LRBT?

Why not just three vanquishers? With that huge pile of Ap1 and 2 weapons, I can't imagine marines being too much of an issue unless they brought a LOT of them. It's a serious risk, but if you're just up against eldar and dudes with land raiders, it sort of isn't.