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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/28 23:40:10
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Almost have to be 25mm, they'd take up 4 squares on the tiles if they were 50mm and a lot of corridors aren't even that big.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/28 23:58:29
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Fixture of Dakka
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I hate to say it, but a Cthulhu style expansion could really work.
Underwater caves, rules for pools, deep water, tentacles reaching out of pools and attacking anything that passes by.
Perhaps go the 'Forbidden island' route in some ways, have water rushing into the dungeon, with the tide creeping in every turn, making the previous cubes / rooms in the dungeon inaccessible.
And that's before getting to the bad guys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 01:45:07
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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stop teasing me with ideas that may never come to fruition!
Water based dungeons are the BEST Jerry, THE BEST!
Seriously, that would be way too cool. Ain't going to happen. Let all the heroes drown. Too much fun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 03:12:38
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sorry if this has been asked, but has anyone asked on the KS if in the adventurer companion that there will be fire arm rules?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 03:15:26
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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I don't think it has... If there are stats for the dwarfs of human armies in there... some of them use guns.. but I'm not sure. Might have to try and remember to ask that tomorrow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 03:30:14
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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We won't get everything we want in this KS, but this should be easily expandable rules-wise later on with ebooks which Mantic put out for decent prices. Rules to use their other armies and stuff, like their awesome trolls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 04:16:30
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Burn the witch!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 04:17:34
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Well, there *are* three different audiences here:
* Boardgamers: They want to know what's in the base game, and how much it will sell for, because their alternative is the OLGS and it's 30% discount. While they want enough bits to play the game, miniature quality has little importance to them, and extra models none at all. Somehow, boardgamers don't see using the components in other games. To get their money, you show them the rulebook and/or gameplay videos.
* Kings of War gamers: They want mini's they can use in their KoW armies. Miniatures need to be compatible with existing KoW miniatures. To get their money, you add more miniatures, make them compatible with KoW, and sell them at prices lower than KoW retail.
* Collectors: They want mini's to paint. Resin.
Personally, I think they should have done a KS for both DS and a new KoW army, something like a humanoid one, because a humanoid army could have the greatest range of miniatures yet not need a complete set (eg. orcs, then goblins, then trolls, then ogres, then goblin wolf riders, then...). Expansions would be free mini-expansion SG's. Meanwhile, add-ons would be existing sculpts, and resin figures. The base game would come with the 32-page KoW ruleset. So, by the end of the campaign, your $100 pledge goal would have the DS base game, and several DS mini-expansions, with the humanoid lot usable as an army for KoW. In effect, the DS KS would also be a stealth marketing tool to introduce boardgamers into the KoW miniatures game so Mantic could get even *more* money from them retail...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 04:20:12
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Pyre Troll
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but first check to see if he floats.
but yea, to stay on topic, when i saw the resin hero stretch i was rather disappointed
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 04:27:22
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Regular Dakkanaut
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ced1106 wrote:
Well, there *are* three different audiences here:
* Boardgamers: They want to know what's in the base game, and how much it will sell for, because their alternative is the OLGS and it's 30% discount. While they want enough bits to play the game, miniature quality has little importance to them, and extra models none at all. Somehow, boardgamers don't see using the components in other games. To get their money, you show them the rulebook and/or gameplay videos.
* Kings of War gamers: They want mini's they can use in their KoW armies. Miniatures need to be compatible with existing KoW miniatures. To get their money, you add more miniatures, make them compatible with KoW, and sell them at prices lower than KoW retail.
* Collectors: They want mini's to paint. Resin.
Personally, I think they should have done a KS for both DS and a new KoW army, something like a humanoid one, because a humanoid army could have the greatest range of miniatures yet not need a complete set (eg. orcs, then goblins, then trolls, then ogres, then goblin wolf riders, then...). Expansions would be free mini-expansion SG's. Meanwhile, add-ons would be existing sculpts, and resin figures. The base game would come with the 32-page KoW ruleset. So, by the end of the campaign, your $100 pledge goal would have the DS base game, and several DS mini-expansions, with the humanoid lot usable as an army for KoW. In effect, the DS KS would also be a stealth marketing tool to introduce boardgamers into the KoW miniatures game so Mantic could get even *more* money from them retail...
Aye, I would like to see a beastman/werewolf army not bound to the undead army list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 04:49:46
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Oberstleutnant
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We need a betting system for final value of KS's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 05:43:32
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 05:51:02
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Actually I was making reference to one or two people who hate everything, but yes that's true
Compel wrote:I hate to say it, but a Cthulhu style expansion could really work.
Underwater caves, rules for pools, deep water, tentacles reaching out of pools and attacking anything that passes by.
Perhaps go the 'Forbidden island' route in some ways, have water rushing into the dungeon, with the tide creeping in every turn, making the previous cubes / rooms in the dungeon inaccessible.
And that's before getting to the bad guys.
Forget Cthulu, I want a topsy turvy world where Lobsters are ruled by Clams
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 06:15:38
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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I would (almost) pledge $100 just for those two things. Automatically Appended Next Post: NTRabbit wrote:
Actually I was making reference to one or two people who hate everything, but yes that's true
Even assuming that one of your two people isn't me, I think that's a bit unfair. People here are somewhat critical, but I don't see a lot of "H8rs gonna H8" happening here at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 07:51:49
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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There were some interesting comments in the last Wednesday release, concerning the new book - I've added a highlight for Azazelx there
There is also the , which you can use to design your own mission. We asked Jake Thornton, Games Designer behind Dungeon Saga, to share a few of his ideas on how this might work:
“The Necromancer player will create a dungeon according to a set of given parameters, and stock it with Monsters. The Monsters used add to a core set of scenario objectives that the Heroes will choose one from randomly. That way the Necromancer doesn’t know exactly what they are up to and so cannot make it completely impossible for the adventurers.”
These missions can also include personal objectives for each hero, and can work as one-off games or game in a linked campaign.
is a section devoted to the Monsters and Minions of Mantica, which you can use miniatures from the Kings of War line to represent if you want to.
This means that you can go beyond the basic boxed game contents of Undead and add-in new and interesting enemies. Perhaps your party stumbles across a moonlit enclosure infested with Lycanthropy-inflicted beasts, or they happen upon a dungeon-raiding group of goblins and their bizarre warmachines.
Even with all this great stuff in the book, we want to make this the best possible system for tabletop miniature role-playing that we can. With that, we present our next stretch goal.
When we beat this stretch goal, we will be able to:
- Write an in-depth background section describing the Mantica setting and the races that inhabit it.
- Add a comprehensive system for building your own heroes and villains.
- Add a character pad for keeping track of your newly-designed heroes on the tabletop.
- Boost your bonus cards and counters to include new equipment and spells.
There is nothing to stop this one running and running into new expansions and developments, as long as the core construct of the rules is sound (the Alpha seemed OK, but there is a long way to go to realise some of the stuff listed above!)
Not sure how much they will be able to squeeze into the last 60 hours, but I can definitely see future expansions for this post-retail release, and who knows probably even another KS at some point. If HQ25 falls on its arse, even more likely..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 07:54:39
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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There's bound to be some folks hanging on til the last second or two  . No doubt Saturday and Sunday will be pretty busy!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 08:07:18
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Azazelx wrote:
Even assuming that one of your two people isn't me, I think that's a bit unfair. People here are somewhat critical, but I don't see a lot of "H8rs gonna H8" happening here at all.
Definitely wasn't you. There is one though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 08:10:11
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Does it begin with Z and end with D? lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 08:11:20
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Pacific wrote:There were some interesting comments in the last Wednesday release, concerning the new book - I've added a highlight for Azazelx there
Thanks - I meant KoW Army lists for Werewolves and Beastmen though - not DS stats for them. I've got many plastic Wolfen that would love to go out for a run, and a lot of unpainted Beastmen that are just waiting for an excuse (or the Orc list, I guess...).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 08:12:49
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Screaming Shining Spear
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No it doesn't! Starts with an n
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 11:28:17
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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I think I'll be assembling all of my random gnolls, hobgoblins, goblins, orcs, beast dudes, and so on, from reaper bones into one big combined beastman/humanoid horde for a backup KoW army, when they aren't making appearances in DS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 11:31:00
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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At time of typing we are 700 bucks shy of $640K goal
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 11:36:09
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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500...
I really wanna see how this 'Destroyer' turns out!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 11:43:11
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 11:47:57
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Grr people are messing with the total, or dropping out with a lot of coincidence. Or maybe upping and it's taking awhile to put their new funds back in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 11:50:21
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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I dropped out. But losing my $1 probably didn't hurt the project too badly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:12:18
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Update #43 : Don't Fear the Reaper Comment 4 likes And done – that’s Legendary versions of Ally McSween, Ibrahim, Hratth and Venetia created! We’ve put them together in this Optional Add-on set where you can get all four for $25, or individually for $8 each. There basic forms are also now in Kickstarter Exclusive Resin, in the Heroes of Renown set: Right then, enter the Destroyer! NEW STRETCH GOALS $655,000 - BONUS Drech’nok the Destroyer Drech’nok was a promising warrior of the Abyss, imprisoned by Valandor himself in one of the massive battles before the Great Flood. His tomb held him for many thousands of years until it was accidentally discovered by a Dwarf mining expedition digging for a new mineral seam. Drech’Nok slaughtered the Dwarfs and escaped back into the world to wreak havoc anew. His years of imprisonment have driven him into a state of permanent, blinding rage, and he is one of the deadliest foes encountered in all the lands. If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce Drech’nok the Destroyer – a mighty Abyssal Champion to lead the demonic hordes against your heroes! We will include this miniature in the Infernal Crypts expansion at no extra cost. Not only that but we will add a second bonus scenario, giving you a total of eight new missions to play with the Infernal Crypts expnasion! Finally, we will also add The Lair of the Beast – a new boss room and battle-arena for a final showdown between Drech’nok and your heroes! That's a great new mission for your heroes to adventure through, a new tile for them to negotiate and a new enemy to try and overcome. Drech'nok won't go down without a fight! Remember that you can add on the Infernal Crypts expansion pack to your pledge by raising your pledge $25: Don't forget that all pledges of $200 or more also get a copy of the Dungeon Saga Hardback Adventurer’s Companion included free! Don't want the Infernal Crypts expansion? Well when we hit this stretch goal, we will also add the demonic Abyssal Warrior to the Dungeon Master pledge level ($100 and Early Bird), meaning you have all of the Abyssal minions on offer and more choice and value in your pledge level So far - there is still one more minion to go And finally… We will have a new update later today to launch us into the weekend. It features all manner of exciting BIG stuff! In the mean time, let’s get this goal smashed and done
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:12:23
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Dakka Veteran
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Hello beautiful.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:13:44
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Destroyer has a bit static of a pose but that may be better for a single piece BG mini tbh. We'll have to see how he turns out. 15k stretch isn't bad at all, and they're even adding the missing guy into the DM pledge level, woot!
Looking forward to what they have to say after we crush this one
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:14:07
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Oberstleutnant
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Hi, feeling horny?
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