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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl that is the joke it is not any better the only difference is that it is a quote from a FEMALE singer and some different words. I thought the laughing Icon was self explanatory

Yeah, I know it is a female singer. There are some female singer singing pretty stupid stuff. I must fail at humor because I still do not see what is funny about it.

Mad? I am not mad. I've grown a thick skin over the years.

But Oxayotl has a point nonetheless. That kind of joke really gets old incredibly fast.

Tarkin, remember how offended you were when someone made fun of the US military? This situation is comparable.

Also, Oxayotl, are you as much of a defender IRL? I imagine you must be popular with the girls!

(Unless they are those idiots who think jerks are sexy)

 Ashiraya wrote:
Mad? I am not mad. I've grown a thick skin over the years.

But Oxayotl has a point nonetheless. That kind of joke really gets old incredibly fast.

Tarkin, remember how offended you were when someone made fun of the US military? This situation is comparable.

Also, Oxayotl, are you as much of a defender IRL? I imagine you must be popular with the girls!

(Unless they are those idiots who think jerks are sexy)

Oh, so I'm a jerk?? Ok

Edit: that situation wasn't comparable at all.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Mad? I am not mad. I've grown a thick skin over the years.

But Oxayotl has a point nonetheless. That kind of joke really gets old incredibly fast.

Tarkin, remember how offended you were when someone made fun of the US military? This situation is comparable.

Also, Oxayotl, are you as much of a defender IRL? I imagine you must be popular with the girls!

(Unless they are those idiots who think jerks are sexy)

Oh, so I'm a jerk?? Ok

Edit: that situation wasn't comparable at all.

It is. I just don't take offense because I can't be bothered any more. The guy who made a military joke meant no ill, either.

No one said you were a jerk. Your words were questioned, but no insults have been made. No need to go defensive.

That said, enough derailing now.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Mad? I am not mad. I've grown a thick skin over the years.

But Oxayotl has a point nonetheless. That kind of joke really gets old incredibly fast.

Tarkin, remember how offended you were when someone made fun of the US military? This situation is comparable.

Also, Oxayotl, are you as much of a defender IRL? I imagine you must be popular with the girls!

(Unless they are those idiots who think jerks are sexy)

Oh, so I'm a jerk?? Ok

Edit: that situation wasn't comparable at all.

It is. I just don't take offense because I can't be bothered any more. The guy who made a military joke meant no ill, either.

No one said you were a jerk. Your words were questioned, but no insults have been made. No need to go defensive.

That said, enough derailing now.

Naww, I know you infered I was a jerk but I'm willing to forget it.

And that GIRL did not make a joke. She called the U.S. military a joke but for the sake of derailing, I'm gonna leave it alone.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Mad? I am not mad. I've grown a thick skin over the years.

But Oxayotl has a point nonetheless. That kind of joke really gets old incredibly fast.

Tarkin, remember how offended you were when someone made fun of the US military? This situation is comparable.

Also, Oxayotl, are you as much of a defender IRL? I imagine you must be popular with the girls!

(Unless they are those idiots who think jerks are sexy)

Oh, so I'm a jerk?? Ok

Edit: that situation wasn't comparable at all.

It is. I just don't take offense because I can't be bothered any more. The guy who made a military joke meant no ill, either.

No one said you were a jerk. Your words were questioned, but no insults have been made. No need to go defensive.

That said, enough derailing now.

Naww, I know you infered I was a jerk but I'm willing to forget it.

And that GIRL did not make a joke. She called the U.S. military a joke but for the sake of derailing, I'm gonna leave it alone.

Was that when someone reasonably explained what and why someone said something and you completely over reacted?

This is a thread about how some poor souls have not seen the light. Peoples who have been kept in the dark about the truth. Those who are blind to the evidence.

Those who need to learn why the Imperial guard are the best and only race in the 40k universe. Everyone else is there to die by their might.

So lets keep this thread on the path to enlightenment Search your souls and realize the true problem is the lack of knowledge on the power and might of the emperors mighty force.

pm713 wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Mad? I am not mad. I've grown a thick skin over the years.

But Oxayotl has a point nonetheless. That kind of joke really gets old incredibly fast.

Tarkin, remember how offended you were when someone made fun of the US military? This situation is comparable.

Also, Oxayotl, are you as much of a defender IRL? I imagine you must be popular with the girls!

(Unless they are those idiots who think jerks are sexy)

Oh, so I'm a jerk?? Ok

Edit: that situation wasn't comparable at all.

It is. I just don't take offense because I can't be bothered any more. The guy who made a military joke meant no ill, either.

No one said you were a jerk. Your words were questioned, but no insults have been made. No need to go defensive.

That said, enough derailing now.

Naww, I know you infered I was a jerk but I'm willing to forget it.

And that GIRL did not make a joke. She called the U.S. military a joke but for the sake of derailing, I'm gonna leave it alone.

Was that when someone reasonably explained what and why someone said something and you completely over reacted?

Aww gak, not you again. C'mon dude, do we really need to bring this up? Let's all just talk about how stupid and ignorant I am. Go on, let it out. I know you want to.

Edit: thanks a lot Ashiraya. Really appreciate you bringing that up

Because somebody has to make Space Marines look awesome by comparison.

And the space marines have to make Ultramarines look best

Flamebait Central, coming right up!

 Ashiraya wrote:
Also, Oxayotl, are you as much of a defender IRL?

I would be if I was not quite shy about confrontation IRL, and more self-confident, I guess.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I imagine you must be popular with the girls!

I am not. Not at all .
I do not know why, so I do not know what I should change, but I am trying.
See the related thread in Off-Topic.

Lord Tarkin, we are not attacking you personally, we are explaining our point of view. We do not want to paint you in a bad light, we want to explain you how we could see you in a better light!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Also, Oxayotl, are you as much of a defender IRL?

I would be if I was not quite shy about confrontation IRL, and more self-confident, I guess.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I imagine you must be popular with the girls!

I am not. Not at all .
I do not know why, so I do not know what I should change, but I am trying.
See the related thread in Off-Topic.

Lord Tarkin, we are not attacking you personally, we are explaining our point of view. We do not want to paint you in a bad light, we want to explain you how we could see you in a better light!

Which off-topic thread is this you talk about?

I will never be in good light to be quite frank, I enjoy the darkness

Wait........didn't this thread used to be about Space Marines and Imperial Guard?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Wait........didn't this thread used to be about Space Marines and Imperial Guard?

It was until Chaos showed up

you can't make everyone space marines. you can make a lot of people imperial guard. infact millions.

 megatombuscus wrote:
you can't make everyone space marines. you can make a lot of people imperial guard. infact millions.

Try billons of

Because Space Marines are, in-universe, too expensive to use as front-line soldiers. Even in the Horus Heresy they were never in high enough numbers for proper, unsupported planetary invasions.

 Ribon Fox wrote:

 megatombuscus wrote:
you can't make everyone space marines. you can make a lot of people imperial guard. infact millions.

Try billons of

Given the whole, "million worlds" thing it should be more like tens or hundreds of billions.

As people have said, you just can't get those numbers with SM. The process of turning them from normal humans to Astartes is expensive, requires young men in peak physical condition, and most subjects die anyway, the equipment is expensive to build and maintain, and, they can't reproduce, meaning that too many SM's will put a dent in the IoM's human population. They're also culturally and religiously separate from the rest of the IoM, meaning that if you're in a group like the Ecclesiarchy, you don't entirely trust them.

Eh, imo it's more just a matter of 40K being dumb at scale and in-universe, the Imperium deliberately neutering Chapters.

Single chapters get the entirety of their recruits from individual worlds- one chapter, one world. A single world somehow provides enough individuals to sustain an entire chapter.

If the Imperium took one person from each of their Worlds and made them Space Marines, their would be "billions" of Space Marines. If they took just 100 people from a quarter of their Worlds, and turned them into Space Marines, that would make (assuming that "billions"=just 2 billion) 50 billion Space Marines. A force ~386 times larger than the combined Imperial Guard force currently fighting in the 13th Black Crusade- and that's assuming that every Regiment participating in the Crusade has 100,000 troops in it, which is unrealistic considering that 100,000 men is listed as an upper limit for Regiment sizes.

So. You clearly begin to see how messed up the 40K scale is.

Going by in-universe conditions, you can make the argument that the Imperium would struggle to logistically support a Marine army of such size, due to the complexity of their armor and weapons. Considering how massively large the Imperium is though, I'm skeptical of that. With STC's and the amount of man-power, resources and factories within the Imperium, I think they could very easily meet the demands required. The only issue I see would be the Mechanicus' superstition and obsession with rituals slowing the process down, but that's another example of the Imperium just deliberately neutering themselves- that and the Adeptus Astartes.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Eh, imo it's more just a matter of 40K being dumb at scale and in-universe, the Imperium deliberately neutering Chapters.

Single chapters get the entirety of their recruits from individual worlds- one chapter, one world. A single world somehow provides enough individuals to sustain an entire chapter.

If the Imperium took one person from each of their Worlds and made them Space Marines, their would be "billions" of Space Marines.

Wut?

Did you miss the prologue to the 40k universe? 1 man per planet is going to be around 1 million men. That is only a thousandth of what you've come up with...

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Eh, imo it's more just a matter of 40K being dumb at scale and in-universe, the Imperium deliberately neutering Chapters.

Single chapters get the entirety of their recruits from individual worlds- one chapter, one world. A single world somehow provides enough individuals to sustain an entire chapter.

If the Imperium took one person from each of their Worlds and made them Space Marines, their would be "billions" of Space Marines. If they took just 100 people from a quarter of their Worlds, and turned them into Space Marines, that would make (assuming that "billions"=just 2 billion) 50 billion Space Marines. A force ~386 times larger than the combined Imperial Guard force currently fighting in the 13th Black Crusade- and that's assuming that every Regiment participating in the Crusade has 100,000 troops in it, which is unrealistic considering that 100,000 men is listed as an upper limit for Regiment sizes.

Not quite true. Many chapters recruit from multiple worlds. There is also the fact that the preferred recruiting worlds are death worlds, hive worlds, etc, were life is tough, and only the strongest survive. There is also the rituals that hopefuls go through, and many die during the transformation.

Also, the sheer size of the Imperium is what prevents the Imperium from providing weapons to the Chapters. The logistics simply don't work, and that is the major problem with the Imperium.

You're right. They have millions of Worlds and billions of Regiments- not billions of Worlds.

You've embarrassed me on an international forum. Are you happy now?!

 BlaxicanX wrote:

You've embarrassed me on an international forum. Are you happy now?!

I'm not sure where this is going.

Mostly, the only time the Imperium was able to have many thousands of Marines per-Chapter was at the absolute height of their power and technology. Then that whole thing about a massive civil war and 10,000 years of technological stagnation happened.

99.99howevermany9syouwant % of conflicts will never see a single Marine. It's the only way their number can make sense at all. Most of those other conflicts can be won (or at least fought to a standstill) by Guard alone. Marines are only deployed to the most critical, tide-turning points in the galaxy.

As for Guard numbers, I've always felt like a trillion was a good rough estimate for how many there should be. If there are a million inhabited worlds, and we assume an average population of a billion (with vast deviations from the average...for every Hive world of two hundred billion, you can average it out with a couple hundred worlds whose tiny population devoted to resource extraction or garrison is effectively a rounding error), that suggests a quadrillion humans. Having 0.1% of the population tithed to the Guard, with several times as many committed to PDF, seems like a fairly small (check out this list of modern military numbers and sort by per capita) commitment.

Oh, and I just want to point out that while we're getting into ludicrous numbers here, one quadrillion humans in the Imperium means roughly one per ant alive today (estimated).

BlaxicanX wrote:You've embarrassed me on an international forum. Are you happy now?!

Nope, there's only one way this can be settled.

 Bludbaff wrote:
99.99howevermany9syouwant % of conflicts will never see a single Marine. It's the only way their number can make sense at all. Most of those other conflicts can be won (or at least fought to a standstill) by Guard alone. Marines are only deployed to the most critical, tide-turning points in the galaxy.

As for Guard numbers, I've always felt like a trillion was a good rough estimate for how many there should be. If there are a million inhabited worlds, and we assume an average population of a billion (with vast deviations from the average...for every Hive world of two hundred billion, you can average it out with a couple hundred worlds whose tiny population devoted to resource extraction or garrison is effectively a rounding error), that suggests a quadrillion humans. Having 0.1% of the population tithed to the Guard, with several times as many committed to PDF, seems like a fairly small (check out this list of modern military numbers and sort by per capita) commitment.

Oh, and I just want to point out that while we're getting into ludicrous numbers here, one quadrillion humans in the Imperium means roughly one per ant alive today (estimated).

Now you wait just a Terran second!!!

Let me math hammer this stuff out. The most common world in the Imperium is the Civilized world. Populations usually range between 15,000,000 to 10,000,000,000 and the average of those numbers is 4,992,500,000. So most Imperial planets will come close to 4,992,500,000.

Now, the most common tithe grade associated with IG tithes is one tenth of the planets PDF. Assuming one of every 20 people join the PDF, that leaves 249,625,000 PDF troops. One tenth of that number would come to 24,962,500 new guardsmen.

There are about 1,000,000 worlds in the Imperium, so 1,000,000•24,962,500=24,962,500,000,000.

So there are on average, trillions of guardsmen in the Imperium at any given time.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Bludbaff wrote:
99.99howevermany9syouwant % of conflicts will never see a single Marine. It's the only way their number can make sense at all. Most of those other conflicts can be won (or at least fought to a standstill) by Guard alone. Marines are only deployed to the most critical, tide-turning points in the galaxy.

As for Guard numbers, I've always felt like a trillion was a good rough estimate for how many there should be. If there are a million inhabited worlds, and we assume an average population of a billion (with vast deviations from the average...for every Hive world of two hundred billion, you can average it out with a couple hundred worlds whose tiny population devoted to resource extraction or garrison is effectively a rounding error), that suggests a quadrillion humans. Having 0.1% of the population tithed to the Guard, with several times as many committed to PDF, seems like a fairly small (check out this list of modern military numbers and sort by per capita) commitment.

Oh, and I just want to point out that while we're getting into ludicrous numbers here, one quadrillion humans in the Imperium means roughly one per ant alive today (estimated).

Now you wait just a Terran second!!!

Let me math hammer this stuff out. The most common world in the Imperium is the Civilized world. Populations usually range between 15,000,000 to 10,000,000,000 and the average of those numbers is 4,992,500,000. So most Imperial planets will come close to 4,992,500,000.

Now, the most common tithe grade associated with IG tithes is one tenth of the planets PDF. Assuming one of every 20 people join the PDF, that leaves 249,625,000 PDF troops. One tenth of that number would come to 24,962,500 new guardsmen.

There are about 1,000,000 worlds in the Imperium, so 1,000,000•24,962,500=24,962,500,000,000.

So there are on average, trillions of guardsmen in the Imperium at any given time.

I like those odds!