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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:10:35
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-paratroopers-held-over-pregnant-womans-rape-italy-1458328
Italian police have arrested two US soldiers from an army garrison in Vicenza, near Venice, over the rape of a pregnant woman.
The pair, identified as Gray Gerelle Lamarcus, 22, and Edil McCough, 21, allegedly sexually abused, beat up and robbed a 24-year-old woman of Romanian origins was six month pregnant.
The woman, who occasionally worked as a prostitute, was repeatedly punched in the stomach, her lawyer said.
Lamarcus and McCough allegedly negotiated a sexual encounter with their victim but then decided not to pay.
They led the woman to an isolated area outside town at night and brutally beat her. The two paratroopers then abused her for several hours. Once finished, they left her naked in a field robbing her of her purse.
A few hours later, she managed to contact a friend who alerted the police. Detectives said they found her bag and underwear inside one of the soldiers' car.
The incident took place in mid-July and the two paratroopers have now been placed under house arrest, pending an investigation. The soldiers are believed to be held at an Italian army post which hosts the headquarters of the US 173d Airborne Brigade in Vicenza.
The woman is recovering at a local hospital and is not at risk of losing the baby according to doctors.
Lamarcus was also treated at the same medical centre after he attempted to commit suicide. He was later released. The soldier was already under investigation for another rape, this time of a 17-year-old student which happened eight months ago.
Major Michael Weisman, a spokesperson for the 173rd brigade, told IBTimes UK they were fully cooperating with Italian authorities in the investigation.
The incident has heightened tensions between the 3,000-strong US contingent in Vicenza and the local community who have often voiced discomfort at the soldiers' presence.
According to local press, US troopers have been involved in a series of incidents in recent years, including brawls, muggings and sexual abuses.
Under a Nato treaty the US can request its soldiers accused of an offence be tried by American rather than Italian authorities.
The practice is despised by a large section of Italian public who perceive US military courts as too soft on their troops.
Vicenza mayor Achille Variati has called for Lamarcus and McCough to be tried in Italy.
"The hypothesis that the US army demands the two soldiers who raped and beat a pregnant woman to be tried at home is unsustainable," he said.
Weisman said the US military asks host countries for the transfer of jurisdiction in all cases, regardless of the charges involved.
A request has been filed in Lamarcus and McCough's case but the Italian Ministry of Justice has the final say on the matter.
Especially the part where the guy was already under investigation for another rape.
Comments have been nice also.
A female friend in the army said while stationed in japan, chaperones who are also enlists walk women home on the base at night to protect against rapist who are also enlists. It's such a massively wide problem they just have guys on the clock protecting fellow employees from being attacked by fellow employees.
My sister in law packed a knife on post throughout her deployment (especially inside the fob) to defend herself against being attacked by fellow servicemembers... For a second time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:13:19
Subject: Re:US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Brigadier General
The new Sick Man of Europe
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I hope they get locked up for life, for the benefit of everyone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:14:32
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Detectives said they found her bag and underwear inside one of the soldiers' car.
You just can't fix stupid, but sometimes I guess that's a good thing XD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:18:28
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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So, one of them raped a 17 year old student eight months ago, and he was still able to do this? That's fething disgusting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:25:25
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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-Shrike- wrote:So, one of them raped a 17 year old student eight months ago, and he was still able to do this? That's fething disgusting.
Well clearly it wasn't legitimate rape;
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:33:24
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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LordofHats wrote: -Shrike- wrote:So, one of them raped a 17 year old student eight months ago, and he was still able to do this? That's fething disgusting.
Well clearly it wasn't legitimate rape;

So any word yet on if the US is going to extradite the soldiers to a US trial?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:38:40
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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I don't know if Italy would agree, concerning events in another case involving a US citizen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:59:39
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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WarOne wrote:So any word yet on if the US is going to extradite the soldiers to a US trial?
Someone like Jihadin or one of the other military types should know if the SOFA with Italy requires this or not. Google says they should come home to face charges, but again, one of those guys will know better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 04:21:30
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Ouze wrote: WarOne wrote:So any word yet on if the US is going to extradite the soldiers to a US trial?
Someone like Jihadin or one of the other military types should know if the SOFA with Italy requires this or not. Google says they should come home to face charges, but again, one of those guys will know better.
While I'm not familiar with the Italy SOFA, if it's any different from what we have with Germany, etc. But, if it's the same then the US Military can request they be turned over to US military police, on the provision that a full investigation, and charges will be brought against them. I know in germany, it was fairly common if you did something stupid, but "minor" such as a DUI, or drunk in public w/ disorderly conduct you'd face the German music, and THEN when you were turned over to the US, face the music AGAIN under UCMJ  (there's virtually no protection from double jeapordy (sp?) in the military, if you commited the crime while off-duty and off-installation)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 11:29:13
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Why do we have troops still in Europe? Nuts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 11:34:00
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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[MOD]
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Somewhere in south-central England.
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NATO.
This sort of thing is liable to happen wherever hotheaded young military men are based, though perhaps more likely in foreign stations.
Thankfully it is a pretty rare occurrence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 11:48:14
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Kilkrazy wrote:NATO.
This sort of thing is liable to happen wherever hotheaded young military men are based, though perhaps more likely in foreign stations.
Thankfully it is a pretty rare occurrence.
We don't need to have a soul in Europe to meet our NATO requirements.
Frankly, if I have to pay big bucks to see the nation that invented pasta, I don't want to have to pay for other people to either.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 13:19:31
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Frazzled wrote:
We don't need to have a soul in Europe to meet our NATO requirements.
Frankly, if I have to pay big bucks to see the nation that invented pasta, I don't want to have to pay for other people to either. 
I'd maintain that we have good reason to still be in Germany for strategic reasons. Having some idiots who can fall out of an airplane without dying in Italy doesn't really make too much sense to me (as that mode of insertion is a bit out-dated in modern warfare)
I say this because, in Germany you have one of the largest supply hubs, as well as one of the larger military hospitals in the entire DoD there, as a central point between just about any battlefield and US soil (Walter Reed/Sam Houston hospitals stateside)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 13:39:13
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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If the pregnant woman miscarries due to the assault, could the soldiers also face a murder/GBH charge?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 13:40:42
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 13:41:11
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Grievous Bodily Harm I assume
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 13:47:23
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Yeah, Grevious Bodily Harm.
Guessing that's not what it's called in the states.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 14:30:03
Subject: Re:US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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U.S. Airmen Banned from Drinking in 1st Month in Korea: The rule is part of a new introductory program for incoming troops and follows a string of rapes and other violent incidents involving U.S. Forces Korea personnel.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/07/28/2014072800962.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 14:55:25
Subject: Re:US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Being in the military myself, hell being a cop in the military, I hate seeing this fething stuff. Idiots, and they deserve whatever they get. They can be tried by the italy government, AND the military. Yes, he can be charged if anything happens to the child.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 14:55:55
Subject: Re:US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Yeah, why even bother with a trial? Innocent until proven guilty? Load of bleeding heart rubbish if you ask me.
Two people have been arrested on suspicion of having committed a crime. The only thing we should be hoping for at this stage is that all the facts are established and justice is subsequently done.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 15:23:05
Subject: Re:US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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This is dakka. We do Judge Dredd logic here.
To be otherwise would be SOFT ON CRIME
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 15:50:13
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I AM THE LAW!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 17:18:21
Subject: Re:US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Waiting to see what more to come out of this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 19:13:12
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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It is a well established fact that crime around military bases (US and otherwise) is unusually high, so this case is not surprising.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 19:16:15
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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dogma wrote:It is a well established fact that crime around military bases (US and otherwise) is unusually high, so this case is not surprising.
What is surprising (at least to me) is that one of the guys allegedly raped another person, got psychiatric treatment, was declared "cured" and released... Whether he was wrongly accused in THIS case remains to be seen, but with a military in the throws of draw downs, something like that is a sure ticket back to the states with discharge papers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 19:21:57
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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The US Military does a lot of hiding from the problem it faces with sexual assaults. I don't think they're unique in that though. Colleges and Universities across the US (and even the world) have unspoken policies that incidents of rape and sex assault are swept under the closest rug as swiftly as possible. It's a problem with numerous bodies that are more concerned about their public image than the people under their roof.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 19:28:10
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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LordofHats wrote:The US Military does a lot of hiding from the problem it faces with sexual assaults. I don't think they're unique in that though. Colleges and Universities across the US (and even the world) have unspoken policies that incidents of rape and sex assault are swept under the closest rug as swiftly as possible. It's a problem with numerous bodies that are more concerned about their public image than the people under their roof.
Very, very true. Of course it also doesn't that, at Universities, many cases of rape and sexual assault involve both parties lacking the ability to consent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 19:30:46
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: dogma wrote:It is a well established fact that crime around military bases (US and otherwise) is unusually high, so this case is not surprising.
What is surprising (at least to me) is that one of the guys allegedly raped another person, got psychiatric treatment, was declared "cured" and released... Whether he was wrongly accused in THIS case remains to be seen, but with a military in the throws of draw downs, something like that is a sure ticket back to the states with discharge papers.
Why is that a surprise. Rapists are never cured.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 19:43:56
Subject: US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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dogma wrote:
Very, very true. Of course it also doesn't that, at Universities, many cases of rape and sexual assault involve both parties lacking the ability to consent.
Cracked (yeah I'm on a binge over there lately  ) had a good article on the subject, namely number 1;
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-uncomfortable-truths-about-rape-college-campuses_p2/
#1. This Isn't a "College" Problem
If you Google "college sexual assault," the entire Internet explodes at you. That's been the story we've been sold after the past few months: Colleges have become hotbeds of rape, and we need to figure out how to fix them. But colleges aren't to blame here.
Look, the gakky thing is that criminals aren't created by governments. They aren't created by schools. They aren't created by drugs or violent video games or sugary foods. They're created by a big, hairy mess of all those things. Like I said at the beginning, students are only in college for four years, and although it happens to be a really volatile and formative four years, those people are already the people they are before they show up on campus and make ill-advised dorm-room lighting purchases.
Besides, if you finish school and go into graduate school, you're still going to have to deal with rape. If you go join the Peace Corps, you're still going to have to deal with rape (hey, did you know that Mark Gearan, the current president of HWS, used to run Peace Corps? Not implying anything there; just pointing out that this guy has been in charge of two places that suck at dealing with rape). Hell, if you Google "rape [your profession]," odds are you're going to get some hits that depress you.
Everywhere is terrible. Everywhere.
My point is, colleges aren't especially fethed-up places; they're just where the pimples pop. But it's still the responsibility of colleges to clean the pus up, because this is literally the job they signed up for. Besides, we gotta start making a difference somewhere, so why not a place of learning? Seems fine to me. But if you prefer dog parks, that's cool, too. fething whatever. Let's just make sure we get started soon, because there are little girls in my family, and this isn't the world I want for them.
Thanks for reading my comedy article about rape.
It's a societal problem. It's not unique to the military or schools or law firms or wherever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 19:45:45
Subject: Re:US Paratroopers Held over Pregnant Woman's Rape in Vicenza
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Why do we still have troops in Europe and Japan? Why is the Okinawa rape problem constantly ignored? Why is the military's abuse of women constantly ignored? I know we have veterans on board, can somebody tell us what the feth is going on here?
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