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2014/07/27 16:42:12
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/24/shooting-wellness-center/13113555/
A psychiatric outpatient opened fire Thursday inside a psychiatrist's office at a hospital near Philadelphia, killing his caseworker and slightly wounding the doctor, who shot the gunman with his personal firearm, authorities said.
The suspect, Richard Plotts, of Upper Darby, Pa., was reported in critical condition after the shooting at 2:20 p.m. in an office at the Mercy Wellness Center of Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital in Darby, Delaware County District Attorney Jack Whelan said at an evening news conference.
The unidentified 52-year-old doctor shot Plotts three times and suffered a graze wound when the suspect returned fire, Whelan said at an evening news conference. Two guns were recovered.
Another doctor and caseworker tackled Plotts in a hallway and held him until police arrived.
Whelan said Plotts, who has a history of unspecified psychiatric problems, and his caseworker arrived at the doctor's third-floor office about 2 p.m., Whalen said. Soon after, another staffer heard a loud argument and opened the door to find the suspect pointing a gun at the doctor. The worker then closed the door and call 911.
Minutes later, gunfire erupted.
"We're not exactly sure what had occurred and what might have precipitated this particular incident," Whelan said at an afternoon news briefing. "We do know the psychiatric connection, we have that concern. However, we don't know if there was another dispute that occurred inside that room that led to these shots being fired."
The identity of the slain 53-year-old caseworker was not released, pending notification of her family. Whalen did specify the nature or number of her wounds.
Plotts, described as being in his mid-30s, was in surgery at the Hospital at the University of Pennsylvania. He was shot twice in the torso and once in an arm.
The wellness center was evacuated and the campus locked down briefly as SWAT officers checked to be sure there was not another gunman.
Neither the hospital nor clinic, which are connected by a pedestrian bridge, has metal detectors.
A sign tells visitors to the wellness center to check weapons at the front, a medical technician toldThe Philadelphia Inquirer.
Hospital policy allows only on-duty law enforcement officers to carry weapons on campus, a Mercy Health System spokeswoman told the Associated Press.
Hospital spokeswoman Bernice Ho was not available Thursday night to clarify the policy or comment on the doctor's actions.
"This is a tragic event for our hospital and for our community, and we are praying for the safety of the victims," the hospital said in a statement. "We are grateful for the efforts of the emergency responders, and we are working with the Delaware County Police Departments to understand fully the details of the event and to do all we can to assist those affected."
The wellness center remained closed Thursday night and Mercy Fitzgerald was diverting patients to other hospitals.
Hospital spokeswoman Bernice Ho was not available Thursday evening.
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PHOTO: An officer directs traffic near the scene of a shooting Thursday, July 24, 2014, at a wellness center attached to Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital in Darby, Pa.
An officer directs traffic near the scene of a shooting Thursday, July 24, 2014, at a wellness center attached to Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital in Darby, Pa. A doctor grazed by gunfire from a patient who had entered his office in a suburban hospital's psychiatric unit stopped him by returning fire with his own gun and injuring him, authorities said. AP PhotoNEXT VIDEO
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A psychiatric patient ranted about a hospital gun ban before opening fire at the suburban medical complex, killing his caseworker and grazing his psychiatrist before the doctor pulled out his own weapon and fired back, authorities said Friday.
Dr. Lee Silverman emptied his chamber, striking patient Richard Plotts several times. Plotts by then had shot the caseworker in the face and fired several shots at Silverman, including one that grazed his temple and another that struck his thumb, official said.
Plotts had 39 unspent bullets on him when he was wrestled to the ground at Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital in Darby, authorities say — and police believe he had planned to use them.
"I believe that if the doctor did not have a firearm, (and) the doctor did not utilize the firearm, he'd be dead today, and I believe that other people in that facility would also be dead," Delaware County District Attorney Jack Whelan said Friday.
Plotts, 49, was sedated but in stable condition after surgery Thursday from his gunshot wounds, police said. They expect to arraign him bedside at a Philadelphia hospital on Friday, charging him with murder in the death of 53-year-old caseworker Barbara Hunt.
Plotts does not have a listed home number, and it was unclear if he has relatives in the area.
"When the caseworker was shot, (Silverman) crouched down behind the desk to avoid him being shot," Whelan said. "He was able to reach for his weapon, and realizing it was a life-or-death situation, was able to engage the defendant in the exchange of gunfire."
The struggle spilled into the hallway, where another doctor and caseworker jumped in to help Silverman and secure Plotts' weapon, Whelan said.
Police in Upper Darby, where Plotts lived, were aware of at least three mental health commitments — once after he cut his wrists and once when he threatened suicide — but said such stays can last just one to three days.
Plotts also had at least four gun arrests, along with assault and drug charges, according to police and court records. And he has been barred from at least one residential shelter because of his violent history, Upper Darby police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said Friday.
"The case workers and the doctors and the catchment centers — they know who violent individuals are, because they're frequent fliers. And the system is not geared toward keeping these people housed somewhere until they start to be better. So you put whole communities at risk," Chitwood said.
Cathy Nickel, a neighbor at Plotts' last known address, an apartment complex in Upper Darby, saw a caseworker move him out of the building about a year ago. As he was taken away in a van, she said, he yelled, "You haven't heard the end of me!"
Plotts had complained to Silverman previously about the gun policy. He showed up nearly an hour early Thursday for a regular appointment with the doctor, whom he had last seen about six weeks ago. Silverman called the caseworker to join them, officials said.
Colleagues heard arguing during the appointment and saw Plotts aiming a gun at Silverman when they peaked inside the door. They quietly backed out and called 911. The shooting soon began, just before 2:30 p.m.
The psychiatrist was recuperating at home Friday. His wife said he did not want to discuss the shooting, and she also declined to comment.
Hospital policy bars anyone except on-duty law enforcement officers from carrying weapons on campus, a Mercy Health System spokeswoman said. She otherwise declined to discuss why Silverman was armed at work.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2014/07/27 16:54:55
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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In fairness it would appear the gun helped in this case...
Barring the fact that a crazy person had one but that's part mental health and part gun legislation failure so we'll call it even.
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2014/07/27 16:57:02
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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The title makes this sound more like a revenge killing than a self defense incident.
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2014/07/27 18:31:13
Subject: Re:Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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2014/07/27 18:40:42
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Morphing Obliterator
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Well, I do want to know how the patient was able to obtain a firearm given his history. Apart from that, I think the doctor was very lucky to have a gun with him, it certainly sounds like this could have gone very badly indeed.
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See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
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2014/07/27 18:40:51
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Wait, so... it's a gunfree hospital, but they don't check for guns..?
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2014/07/27 18:42:14
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Morphing Obliterator
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 Soladrin wrote:Wait, so... it's a gunfree hospital, but they don't check for guns..?
It does make one wonder how expensive a metal detector would be.
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See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
Putin.....would make a Vulcan Intelligence officer cry. - Jihadin
AFAIK, there is only one world, and it is the real world. - Iron_Captain
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2014/07/27 18:45:44
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 -Shrike- wrote: Soladrin wrote:Wait, so... it's a gunfree hospital, but they don't check for guns..?
It does make one wonder how expensive a metal detector would be.
Yeah I mean, both the doctor and the patient had a gun...
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2014/07/27 19:45:21
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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I've never seen a hospital that wasn't 'gun free' or had a metal detector.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2014/07/27 19:48:58
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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A gun free zone only means that there are signs posted at the entrance that say "No guns allowed" or something to that effect.
It has nothing to do with actual security measures, which is why they are such a complete joke.
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2014/07/27 21:46:15
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Somewhere in south-central England.
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How ironic that the lunatic's mania against not being allowed to have guns in hospitals led him to take a gun into a hospital, shoot two people and get shot himself by another gun carrier.
I have no idea what moral the story contains.
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2014/07/27 22:22:34
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Obviously it's "Never count your chickens before yelling "The sky is Wolfing!"
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2014/07/27 22:48:21
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Lesson learned:
Shooting the bad guy only resulted in a shoot-out that got the doctor shot as well. It wasn't until non-armed people tackled the bad guy that he was stopped.
/hides
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2014/07/27 23:21:27
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Imperial Admiral
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 d-usa wrote:Lesson learned:
Shooting the bad guy only resulted in a shoot-out that got the doctor shot as well. It wasn't until non-armed people tackled the bad guy that he was stopped.
/hides
Well, that just shows that neither of them had ever held a gun before. I've been told many times that you only need to shoot someone once to remove them as a threat, which is why ultra-high capacity magazines capable of holding as many as seven rounds are so unnecessary. People can't fight on after being shot.
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2014/07/27 23:25:32
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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2014/07/28 00:39:03
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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That's how we get Zombies... eh?
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2014/07/28 00:46:14
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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As an example, one of the british commandos involved in the raid on St Nazaire in WW2 was shot in both legs and I believe possibly the shoulder as well. He still managed to complete his task of planting a bomb in the pump house before running up steep stairs and across narrow walkways to escape before the fuse ran out and the bomb detonated. If I remember correctly he got out in 17 seconds.
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2014/07/28 00:48:56
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
As an example, one of the british commandos involved in the raid on St Nazaire in WW2 was shot in both legs and I believe possibly the shoulder as well. He still managed to complete his task of planting a bomb in the pump house before running up steep stairs and across narrow walkways to escape before the fuse ran out and the bomb detonated. If I remember correctly he got out in 17 seconds.
Or you go all the way to the top of this thread where the bad guy was shot three times and still returned fire and hit the good guy and still required three more guys to tackle him even though he was shot already and apperantly no longer able to fight.
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2014/07/28 00:51:37
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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d-usa wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote:
As an example, one of the british commandos involved in the raid on St Nazaire in WW2 was shot in both legs and I believe possibly the shoulder as well. He still managed to complete his task of planting a bomb in the pump house before running up steep stairs and across narrow walkways to escape before the fuse ran out and the bomb detonated. If I remember correctly he got out in 17 seconds.
Or you go all the way to the top of this thread where the bad guy was shot three times and still returned fire and hit the good guy and still required three more guys to tackle him even though he was shot already and apperantly no longer able to fight.
That works too but another example always helps
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1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
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2014/07/28 01:12:41
Subject: Re:Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Doctor shooting back might have checked the shooter to give time for two co-workers to tackle him down. Was hot coffee poured on the shooter?
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2014/07/28 01:17:29
Subject: Re:Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Jihadin wrote:Doctor shooting back might have checked the shooter to give time for two co-workers to tackle him down. Was hot coffee poured on the shooter?
From what I have heard on talk radio somebody screamed OBAMACARE and threw an itemized bill at the shooter. The shock from the healthcare costs stunned him enough to allow them to tackle him. 
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2014/07/28 01:29:49
Subject: Re:Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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d-usa wrote: Jihadin wrote:Doctor shooting back might have checked the shooter to give time for two co-workers to tackle him down. Was hot coffee poured on the shooter?
From what I have heard on talk radio somebody screamed OBAMACARE and threw an itemized bill at the shooter. The shock from the healthcare costs stunned him enough to allow them to tackle him.
Is this why people want Obama impeached now?
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2014/07/28 03:00:59
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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New rule. Neither d-usa nor WarOne get to use their own or each others' posts to fill in spots on the bingo card.
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2014/07/28 07:35:46
Subject: Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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Morphing Obliterator
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d-usa wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote:
As an example, one of the british commandos involved in the raid on St Nazaire in WW2 was shot in both legs and I believe possibly the shoulder as well. He still managed to complete his task of planting a bomb in the pump house before running up steep stairs and across narrow walkways to escape before the fuse ran out and the bomb detonated. If I remember correctly he got out in 17 seconds.
Or you go all the way to the top of this thread where the bad guy was shot three times and still returned fire and hit the good guy and still required three more guys to tackle him even though he was shot already and apperantly no longer able to fight.
I think you might have the order mixed up...  (although that's not hard, the first article is very poorly worded) From the second article:
A psychiatric patient ranted about a hospital gun ban before opening fire at the suburban medical complex, killing his caseworker and grazing his psychiatrist before the doctor pulled out his own weapon and fired back, authorities said Friday.
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See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
Putin.....would make a Vulcan Intelligence officer cry. - Jihadin
AFAIK, there is only one world, and it is the real world. - Iron_Captain
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2014/07/28 07:37:38
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So shooting the doctor didn't stop him either.
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2014/07/28 07:47:50
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Imperial Admiral
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But that's physically impossible.
British guys and knowledgeable American liberals have told me.
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2014/07/28 07:55:03
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 Seaward wrote:
But that's physically impossible.
British guys and knowledgeable American liberals have told me.
Those same guys keep telling my that just having a gun will magically protect me, but this story seems to debunk that. Who am I supposed to trust for firearms guidance now? The British guys or the American liberals? I'm so confused! 
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2014/07/28 08:28:42
Subject: Re:Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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The moral of the story is that interesting stories will be made boring by people who want to argue the same gak over and over again.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2014/07/28 08:45:53
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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If only someone had a gun to shoot the guy with a gun before he shot the girl without a gun and then got shot by the doctor with a gun.
Too many weak links in the chain - 'Murica needs more guns.
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2014/07/28 08:49:39
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I'd suggest you donate yours to us, but you don't have any left.
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