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I don't own any flyers, so I have no idea which flyer is considered better: Storm Talons or Storm Ravens.

I mainly see Ravens take flight, so I can only assume.

Not a SM player, but once a talon came in turn 4 from reserves and killed my 350 point Be'Lakor from full wounds in a single round of shooting. So, yeah. That's pretty powerful. I believe they got BS 5 against ground targets?


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Also, why not both? Don't they synergize in some way? Some sort of escort special rule?

Both is a good answer, use the Escort rule and bring them on together for reliable Dakka and air support.

If you're open to Forge World, I'd recommend a Fire Raptor as it's an out-and-out gunship, but in-codex, both are pretty good. If you just have to pick one, I'd say Raven if you have something to transport, or Talon if you just want cheap firepower (they're better in multiples, though)

IF you have the points, there is a formation of two talons with one raven. I love both, and when playing 2750 pts or above, I take two talons in my ultramarines detatchment, and a raven with the grey knight detatchment. Both serve their purposes.

They are both good. What does the rest of your list look like? The talons are not as tough, are cheep, and take the less contested FA slot.

The raven is more expensive, tougher, packs more guns, and can be used as a transport if you are so inclined. But the HS slot is widely regarded as more valuable, so there is the opportunity cost of not having another TFC (or whatever)

Talons with skyhammer missiles are great anti infantry/light armor and just all around good at going places you need them to be and shooting things in the face. I always field at least one. Plus the assault cannon is 360 degrees so you can almost always stay on the map and shoot if you want to. Only downside is they are fragile, which is OK since they are also dirt cheap for a flyer

Stormtalons are great. If you have 250 points available in your army and want some very mobile models that can potentially hurt anything, 2 storm talons with skyhammers are where its at.

For the vanilla marine codex, the talon is probably better. Less contested slot, cheaper, etc. The blood angels raven has ap1 missiles, making it a much better dedicated anti armor platform than the generic one. Depends on the rule book, honestly.

Where is the Fire Raptor button?

For a one-of, storm raven. If taking two, talons.

Skyhammer seems to be the default choice for Talons but is there value in the more expensive weapons?

 minigun762 wrote:
Skyhammer seems to be the default choice for Talons but is there value in the more expensive weapons?

I use my 2 Talons for Anti-Air and as such i equip them with the TL Lascannon. its more expensive but it makes the ST a reliable killer of armour and other flyers, even if they are AV 12.

Just take the storm wing

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
Skyhammer seems to be the default choice for Talons but is there value in the more expensive weapons?

I use my 2 Talons for Anti-Air and as such i equip them with the TL Lascannon. its more expensive but it makes the ST a reliable killer of armour and other flyers, even if they are AV 12.

But the Skyhammer is actually a better HP stripper (0.66 vs 0.59 against AV12) so you must be hoping for the explode

 minigun762 wrote:

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
Skyhammer seems to be the default choice for Talons but is there value in the more expensive weapons?

I use my 2 Talons for Anti-Air and as such i equip them with the TL Lascannon. its more expensive but it makes the ST a reliable killer of armour and other flyers, even if they are AV 12.

But the Skyhammer is actually a better HP stripper (0.66 vs 0.59 against AV12) so you must be hoping for the explode

How are you working that math? TL s9 vs 2 shots s7, about the same chances for one hit, Skyhammers could get 2, but probability is just one. Then the lascannon glances 66% vs the skyhammer glancing 33%

Fire raptor or none probably, I could maybe understand taking two stormtalons but never one. And the storm raven tries to do too much and fails at everything. T3 assault for assault units. Killing everything inside when it crashes and a very tame set of guns for its exorbitant cost.

Sky hammers are three shots if memory serves.

Sky hammers also cost less and synergize better with the assault cannon overall. Lascannons arent bad but the skyhammer is better in the anti av10-11 range which is where the talon excels.

Jakobokaj wrote:
Sky hammers also cost less and synergize better with the assault cannon overall. Lascannons arent bad but the skyhammer is better in the anti av10-11 range which is where the talon excels.

Give you the cost less, but I think it is rather the Assault Cannon plays well with everything as there is not a target in the game yet it can't atleast glance. Both Las and Skyhammers massively out range it.

I don't know, I seen a ROC pattern storm eagle do some nasty things with 4 str 8 shots. It's expensive point wise though.

Storm Raven are scary and awesome at taking down whatever they want to shoot at.
But Storm Talons are cheaper and still do a butt-ton of damage for their points.

I frequently play against both and would much rather my opponent bring 1 Storm Raven than 2 Storm Talons!

 changerofways wrote:
Not a SM player, but once a talon came in turn 4 from reserves and killed my 350 point Be'Lakor from full wounds in a single round of shooting. So, yeah. That's pretty powerful. I believe they got BS 5 against ground targets?


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Also, why not both? Don't they synergize in some way? Some sort of escort special rule?

In a 500 game, a Talon came in on turn 3 after I had mostly broken the SM force. It shot at St. Celestine for two turns with no damage being done and ultimately was brought down by a pair of krak grenades. (Yes, St. Celestine brought down a flyer in her shooting phase because he had to hover to avoid flying off the map.) the first grenade was a lucky snap shot from a random battle sister.

Clearly two things can be learned from this. Firstly, Krak grenades will always strip a hull point when randomly tossed at a flyer. Secondly, don't trust anecdotes about single battles.