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 changerofways wrote:

cosmicsoybean wrote:
I seen that apparently there are only 2,000 copies world-wide of the Ork Warboss edition codex stuff, so im wondering if there actually IS only 2000 and its not selling, or if GW is just printing more, lying about the numbers?

This is a very serious accusation. I understand there is a culture of hate against GW on DakkaDakka but seriously has it come to this?

I have been into Warhammer for under a year, under 4 months really, so I don't know about the special editions in this game, almost all other limited edition content for that crazy low amount made sells out within a week, it just seems crazy with such a big fan base for this not to sell instantly.

 changerofways wrote:

cosmicsoybean wrote:
I seen that apparently there are only 2,000 copies world-wide of the Ork Warboss edition codex stuff, so im wondering if there actually IS only 2000 and its not selling, or if GW is just printing more, lying about the numbers?

This is a very serious accusation. I understand there is a culture of hate against GW on DakkaDakka but seriously has it come to this?

GW has repeatedly low balled numbers and short changed the amounts to create false hype in the past, when storm claw sold out they made it seem like it was never going to hit stores. In reality they sold their web store allotment (which could have been any number) in under an hour. A week later GW stores get 20+ copies each.


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cosmicsoybean wrote:

 changerofways wrote:

cosmicsoybean wrote:
I seen that apparently there are only 2,000 copies world-wide of the Ork Warboss edition codex stuff, so im wondering if there actually IS only 2000 and its not selling, or if GW is just printing more, lying about the numbers?

This is a very serious accusation. I understand there is a culture of hate against GW on DakkaDakka but seriously has it come to this?

I have been into Warhammer for under a year, under 4 months really, so I don't know about the special editions in this game, almost all other limited edition content for that crazy low amount made sells out within a week, it just seems crazy with such a big fan base for this not to sell instantly.

Word of the wise, never buy the limited editions, they aren't worth anything. Very few things in warhammer actually increase in price over time.

Yeah, I'm 100% with RavenousD on this. I bought the Collector's 6th Edition and it was invalidated in two years. So much for that "extra" value!

 changerofways wrote:

cosmicsoybean wrote:
I seen that apparently there are only 2,000 copies world-wide of the Ork Warboss edition codex stuff, so im wondering if there actually IS only 2000 and its not selling, or if GW is just printing more, lying about the numbers?

This is a very serious accusation. I understand there is a culture of hate against GW on DakkaDakka but seriously has it come to this?

I'm thinking hate=/= dissapoint.
I think in the next few years the prosecutions for hate crimes are going to go up.

Rav - dont buy them if youre in it to make money. Thats just an insane idea with pretty much any LE thing, ever. Theyre just too common.

If you like the alternate art, or see other value such as the textured covers, folio style layouts etc then they can be worthwhile. For example the dwarf LE book is incredibly pretty.

cosmicsoybean wrote:
I seen that apparently there are only 2,000 copies world-wide of the Ork Warboss edition codex stuff, so im wondering if there actually IS only 2000 and its not selling, or if GW is just printing more, lying about the numbers?

I think people have been kinda burned out on these "luxury edition" books. They are nice idea as such, but enough is enough. Also, with GW release pace being amped up, people have legitimate fears that the expensive book will be quickly obsoleted.

Actually they have no evidence to suggest that the codex release cycle for any one army has ramped up significantly. It just means hopefully we will see less cases of armies hanging around for 10 years.

Ashamed to say I was one of the ones who pre-ordered it. Nice packaging and goodies etc. but not worth the price tag at all.

To make matters worse, I am now considering moving to another army cause... well... Orks are now boring and gak. (IMO)

 Diggory_x wrote:
Ashamed to say I was one of the ones who pre-ordered it. Nice packaging and goodies etc. but not worth the price tag at all.

Look on the bright side, you can probably get less than half of what you payed for it on Ebay

 Orock wrote:
Your friends are missing the joy of orks if they feel uncomfortable scratch building. I made all this out of one trukk kit, one mek gun kit, some plasticard, and scraps I had saved up over the years. People will just give you random left over parts sometimes.

Oh trust me, I get that. I love Orks because of all the insane stuff I can do with them. Most of the stuff I have that isn't converted in some way is stuff I got cheap from someone else already assembled (which is a shame sometimes as I might have to pry it apart to paint it properly... but I'm picky on painting). Heck, the modeling and the insane feel of the army is why they're my favorite army and I continue to play them even while GW seems to be purposely making rules to throw them under the bus.

I have a box full of various weapon bits I've collected over the years, and I have a bunch of wheels from an old GorkaMorka gubbinz bag, so I'm going to get some plasticard and just convert up some weapons. They don't all have to look different, one of the beautiful things about playing Orks is just about anything can be anything, so as long as I make my opponent aware of what the gun is meant to be, everything should be fine.


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 adamsouza wrote:

 ErikSetzer wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

It's extra expensive.

I'm not sure I'd call it "extra" expensive. Remember, a basic special edition codex or supplement is $100.

$50 for a codex is pushing it, $100 for the same book with alternate cover art is insanity

The Pathfider RPG retails for $49.99, although you can easily get it for 30ish, and is hard covered containing 576 pages of Full Color.

Paizo makes it's money selling you that book.
GW makes it's money selling you models.

I take that back, GW evidently is in the printing money in book format buissiness. Don't even get me started on the digital versions....

Well, I believe I did note that the price of the basic books is kind of bad to start with, ditto for the normal special editions. My only point was that calling the Ork special edition kit "extra" expensive when you get more while having a savings as compared to buying a pair of other special edition books is inaccurate.

It's fair to say all of them are expensive, sure. But in comparison, the Ork Warboss Edition was *not* "extra" expensive, it was actually a "discount."


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Backfire wrote:
Also, with GW release pace being amped up, people have legitimate fears that the expensive book will be quickly obsoleted.

Pft. It's Orks. It'll be another three editions before they get a new book.

Which should place it sometime around 2018.

 Yonan wrote:
Also has a lot to do with many players abandoning 40k during 6th and at a much larger pace since 7th. Less people around to buy = less being sold.

Aint that the truth....its almost dead here at my FLGS. I stopped bringing 40K since noone here will touch it.

 Diggory_x wrote:
To make matters worse, I am now considering moving to another army cause... well... Orks are now boring and gak. (IMO)

Um... they're the least boring they've been since 2nd edition. Are they an army you can count on winning with most of the time? Heck no! But hey, Tom Kirby hates green people. They can, however, do plenty of zany things, and you have the same chance of winning doing all kinds of different stuff. Plus you can still convert the heck out of stuff.

So, yeah, if you're wanting to win a lot of games, they're probably not the army for you. But they aren't "now" boring. Third edition stripped all their character, made them generic as heck, and took out so much fluff I had people arguing that Orks were just mindless brutes (and had to hold back from slapping them). Fourth edition added some stuff back in, brought back the clans and all, at least. Seventh edition has added a few more things (some of them *back* into the game). It didn't strip them of character. It just left them mostly the same in terms of power level, which doesn't work too well when people see every new Imperial codex (and Eldar and Tau) increasing in power.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Also has a lot to do with many players abandoning 40k during 6th and at a much larger pace since 7th. Less people around to buy = less being sold.

Aint that the truth....its almost dead here at my FLGS. I stopped bringing 40K since noone here will touch it.

It's not the same everywhere.

Locally, old players dug out their 40K stuff and started playing again with the release of 7th edition, as well as brought in new blood.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Very few things in warhammer actually increase in price over time.

I still remember having a debate over this with an insurance company after a fire. If they're "toy soldiers" (which, let's be honest, they are), they depreciate like mad. You have to try to convince the insurance company that they're "collectibles" in order to get anything close to retail value back for them. We ended up having to get an email from one of GW's employees (Andy Chambers) saying they were "collectibles" to get reasonable value to replace them. (It was kind of funny, though, because he first called them toy soldiers, because, well, they kind of are... and then he realized why they needed to be called "collectibles." That alone demonstrates how much the company's changed in recent years, they used to admit that they weren't making some kind of precious irreplaceable product.)

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Also has a lot to do with many players abandoning 40k during 6th and at a much larger pace since 7th. Less people around to buy = less being sold.

Aint that the truth....its almost dead here at my FLGS. I stopped bringing 40K since noone here will touch it.

What killed it here was super heavies and the stupid combos, people got sick of dealing with stupidity, its not some master stroke of tactical genius when the army can be run by nearly anyone and win. Some people on here will fight tooth and nail defending multiple formations, allies, franken armies and super heavies, but in the end its what is killing interest, people don't want to spend countless hours painting and spending hundreds of dollars just to have 20-40 minute games against bs armies against pompus self righteous goob wads.

I bought the Warboss edition and love it to death. My only complaint is that the cover of the codex isn't nearly as sweet as the normal one, but you get that in the art wallet anyway so it's not a big deal.

But I've played Orks for, what, almost twenty years? And this is the first major release in forever. So there was no way I wasn't going to get it.

I didn't even notice the missing number until GW pointed it out and promised to fix it. It's not like they were trying to hide it or anything. I seriously doubt they'd have put out a limited edition and not make it limited. By my count, before they stopped showing numbers, there were "only 180 left!" of the Warboss edition on the website, and the UK website showed 240. So that means they've sold like 80% of them. Which is not bad at all.

Considering how much flak people give them around here for not gauging demand correctly and running out of things (Stormclaw, Void Shield generator, etc) I'd think everyone would be happy that they'd actually produced enough to cover the demand for it. Except that everyone loves hating GW so much they'll always find something to complain about.