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BrianDavion wrote:
*sighs* context folks context. when the source said bloated he ment "bloated with non- grey knight units"

The context is the anonymous source is many cards short of a deck, if you get my drift, or he is dishonestly pushing the GW propoganda of "less options and costs you even more, you should like this!!!!!" which is absolute 100000000% nonsense. And that's a fact.

assuming the source on Nafika's site is ccurate it sounds to me like someone on the actual development team trying to explain why they did what they did.

Sure, it could be some BS rationalization from someone on the design team, so what? Whether or not they believe their own BS it is still BS.

Cool, the last army I kept for 40k is going to be made unplayable unless I go "unbound." The trend continues of destroying armies that folks have created! Because that's a great way to retain players.

The rumors are either getting really good at being fakes as this lines up perfectly with what's been happening. Maybe GW is getting far too predictable in their "crap smear everything and pour some vanilla sugar on top and hope it sells" current strategy.

Or we could have accidentally gotten an incomplete product/it was just an error.

Wow, GW is really desperate. 3 Codex releases in like the last month. I remember when we used to get 2 a year.

I think its great that the codexs are getting updated this fast. Would be really nice to finally have a 40k game where all the armies are at the same update stage.

As for what space wolf/Grey Knight debacle. I'm quite sure that this is a case of Grey Knight data shoved into the Space Wolf template thus looking odd. Since when are purifiers heavy support? Paladins are Elites (or at least used to be,) not heavy either. Purgation squads gone/not in the heavy support section? It all looks wrong and very sparce. No Rhinos, Razorbacks, etc etc. The data is very incomplete/incorrect.

 Paradigm wrote:

I agree about the 'bloated' justification, though, a load of nonsense. GK already have less units that most armies, remove 3 characters and 5 units (including Assassins) and even SOB have more, I think?

Isn't it wonderful!

Seriously, the Grey Knights are meant to be shockingly elite, very specifically focused task force. The fact that they can even be fielded in whole armies seems ridiculous.

I for one would love a return to the Grey Knights of Dark Millenium, a squad of brutal anti daemon terminators that could be allied in. Anything that brings Grey Knights closer to that legendary status, rather just another army, gets my support.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

I agree about the 'bloated' justification, though, a load of nonsense. GK already have less units that most armies, remove 3 characters and 5 units (including Assassins) and even SOB have more, I think?

Isn't it wonderful!

Seriously, the Grey Knights are meant to be shockingly elite, very specifically focused task force. The fact that they can even be fielded in whole armies seems ridiculous.

I for one would love a return to the Grey Knights of Dark Millenium, a squad of brutal anti daemon terminators that could be allied in. Anything that brings Grey Knights closer to that legendary status, rather just another army, gets my support.

Will you refund me for the 5k Grey Knights I will not be able to use because you want us to field just 1 squad? No thought not. Right now GKs exist as a force in the 40k wargame that is capable of fielding an army. Therefore the new codex should reflect that ability. Yes, it is a clash of lore with the game, but this is the same game that has a laspistol capable of killing a terminator.

"The sky is falling," said half the people in this thread. Over rumours. From an anonymous source and natfka. Get a hold of yourselves people, please.

Now, if the rumours do happen to be true...Thank god.

I love the Grey Knights. I think they are one of the coolest armies in 40k, and would love to pick them up - again.
But having to rely on the inquisition side to be able to play and win games was the biggest load of crap. It totally neutered the awesome feeling of the Grey Knight army. If they were so powerful, why can't the win games on their own?

The people complaining about how GW is tearing their armies apart - please stop complaining. They specifically allowed unbound armies exactly for this reason I feel. You can still play your army, and unbound gives you advantages too.

All in all, I am excited for the release, am hopeful for some new plastic kits, and that's my 2 cents.

I have the feeling that this thread is going to evolve into a textbook Kübler-Ross case study for some users in the coming few weeks.

For the people complaining about people complaining, never mention Unbound as a rebuttal ever, unless your goal is to let everyone know that you don't want to be taken seriously.

Super Newb wrote:
For the people complaining about people complaining, never mention Unbound as a rebuttal ever, unless your goal is to let everyone know that you don't want to be taken seriously.

Please, you're obviously just a WAAC power gamer who only wants to play tourneys! REAL 40k players don't care about "rules" or "Balance." Its all about having fun and forging a narrative!

Super Newb wrote:
For the people complaining about people complaining, never mention Unbound as a rebuttal ever, unless your goal is to let everyone know that you don't want to be taken seriously.

unbound is part of the rules, sticking your head in the sand won't change that

Super Newb wrote:
For the people complaining about people complaining, never mention Unbound as a rebuttal ever, unless your goal is to let everyone know that you don't want to be taken seriously.

Is that your opinion or is that a new rule we have to follow? Let me guess - it's probably your opinion. Cool. Stuff it, because now you sound ridiculous.

People who absolutely will not use unbound are generally playing in tournaments, where it is not allowed. These people are (typically) extremely competitive. If that is how you want to play, then cool. To each their own.
But don't think for a second that you are the supreme authority on who gets taken seriously or not. Because where I stand, it's hard to take you seriously.

I never play in tournaments, not since 3rd, and despise even the concept of unbound. Unbound is the pinnacle of poor, lazy writing. Scratch that; unbound is the refusal to even try and write.

And with that, lets move on from the discussion about unbound in the Grey Knight N&R thread. Let's focus on the actual topic, but feel free to start an unbound discussion if there isn't one already going in the 40K general discussion (but make sure that you check first)

 agnosto wrote:
I never play in tournaments, not since 3rd, and despise even the concept of unbound. Unbound is the pinnacle of poor, lazy writing. Scratch that; unbound is the refusal to even try and write.

I think it was more GW going "Fine You Keep Telling Us You Can't Play Your Armies The Way You Want! Here You Go, Play What You Want And We Don't Care Anymore, Deal With It!"

Ahem:

Oh and these are rumours until the release day so nothing wrong with them being up.

BrianDavion wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
For the people complaining about people complaining, never mention Unbound as a rebuttal ever, unless your goal is to let everyone know that you don't want to be taken seriously.

unbound is part of the rules, sticking your head in the sand won't change that

Yes it will, like saying 'unbound' mentioning head in sand is 1) a proper response to every complaint ever and 2) cannot be rebutted.

Annnnnd more

Neronoxx wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
For the people complaining about people complaining, never mention Unbound as a rebuttal ever, unless your goal is to let everyone know that you don't want to be taken seriously.

Is that your opinion or is that a new rule we have to follow? Let me guess - it's probably your opinion. Cool. Stuff it, because now you sound ridiculous.

Whoa, you had to guess?

But don't think for a second that you are the supreme authority on who gets taken seriously or not.

Oh but I do!


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 agnosto wrote:
I never play in tournaments, not since 3rd, and despise even the concept of unbound. Unbound is the pinnacle of poor, lazy writing. Scratch that; unbound is the refusal to even try and write.

I agree with this (also I've been in one whole tournament in the past 5 years). But to tie this into the topic at hand, folks who don't play unbound, or do, *still* would have to buy, if the rumors are correct, THREE, count 'em three, codexes, if they want to be able to field what is in current single GK codex. How anyone can say that is a good thing is beyond me.

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And more, looks like psybolts are gone entirely.

So I'm not seeing much change beyond the loss of psybolt ammo and trivial point cost changes?

Not inspiring a lot of confidence. I hope this isn't real.

No vehicle upgrades, no psybolt ammo. Bland everything seems like the new direction. Some point increases and decreases.

Typical slow nerfs 2 editions late as the trend as well.


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 daedalus wrote:
So I'm not seeing much change beyond the loss of psybolt ammo and trivial point cost changes?

Not inspiring a lot of confidence. I hope this isn't real.

Its real, you just open and close the space wolf force requisition til it pops up. Looking at it right now.

Man, I hope Necrons will be updated soon, they have an old codex.

I don't feel like they really need one, and based upon IG, DA, and the rumors we're seeing here, I don't think you'd like the outcome.

I'd be cool with a necron update though. I always wince whenever I find out I'm playing against them.

Mod edit: Please don't attack other users, remember Rule #1

That seems... uncalled for?

 Ravenous D wrote:
No vehicle upgrades, no psybolt ammo.

Would Psybolt Ammo show up if it was a standard option and not an upgrade?

If these changes are real... I'm done with my Grey Knights and they'll never see play again. This is awful. People complained about the Tyranids codex.. that is nothing compared to the ***** this is. >_<

No sign of new vehicles, no sign of new models, just an incredibly bland codex... I want to keep using my 6th ed codex, I'm sorry GW that I asked for an updated codex! I'm happy with 6th T_T