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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Not that his 5 toughness did much being in Paladin clumps, was always majority 4.

Str 7, meh still better than str 5

Does he still get to roll on powers?

Yes 2 rolls and a Gate of Infinity.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Not that his 5 toughness did much being in Paladin clumps, was always majority 4.

Str 7, meh still better than str 5

Does he still get to roll on powers?

He's still a beast, just cast hammer hand and he pops up to 9. It did say he comes with gate which is interesting. If you use him to gate around Centurions or whatever he is never going be assaulting, so I am not sure that's really worth it. Maybe use him solo lol. Gate turn 1 for pressure and threat a turn 2 assault.

Ok str 7 ap2, comes with gate and 2 rolls and 30 points cheaper?

Man snorting that warp dust paid off lol

Quickjager wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Not that his 5 toughness did much being in Paladin clumps, was always majority 4.

Str 7, meh still better than str 5

Does he still get to roll on powers?

Yes 2 rolls and a Gate of Infinity.

Is he still an IC?

I only ask because he seems more true to his fluff now. Wouldn't be shocked if he was intended to warp in solo.

Ok a few things

Did Crowe finally get IC

With the Dread Night, are they getting two choices or Twin-Linked?

I doubt that Draigo gets access to any relics, considering that he is a named character. He'll probably come with unique relics of his own, like most other named characters.

 Jidmah wrote:
I doubt that Draigo gets access to any relics, considering that he is a named character. He'll probably come with unique relics of his own, like most other named characters.

Definitely, no way he can grab more relics.

 Anpu42 wrote:
Ok a few things

Did Crowe finally get IC

With the Dread Night, are they getting two choices or Twin-Linked?

Two choices as always, but I believe now they can take two of the same weapon.


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Ok the Bolter/chainsword thread did state that aside from Dreadnaughts, other vehicles lost psychic pilot

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Ok a few things

Did Crowe finally get IC

With the Dread Night, are they getting two choices or Twin-Linked?

Two choices as always, but I believe now they can take two of the same weapon.


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Ok the Bolter/chainsword thread did state that aside from Dreadnaughts, other vehicles lost psychic pilot

Great!
Now I just need to rebuild my count as Dread Knight a little.

Draigo can't take relics, he is a IC
Crowe is an IC but is more expensive, also he has had a odd rule change... He doesn't rend anymore, but in challenges he smashes (like a MC)

I still don't know if I'll use the psilencers. I mean, between losing 12 point excuses to buy razorbacks, salvo psycannons, lack of psybolt ammo, and now no melta in the army, we're getting low on anti-tank without allies. I think I'll stick with either psycannons on the dreadknights or keep them cheap melee builds.

I think a stormraven is going to become a standard always include for me though. Ugh, this might finally make me bring back the Godhammer LR too.

So I'm thinking the standard build now for most units will be 1 Psycannon (for vehicles and TEQ/MEQ) and one Psylencer (for MCs, multi-wound things)?

Or in the case of Paladins/Purifiers, 2 of each...

I'm more likely to have one Psilencer DK and then 2-3 more with dual psycannons or incinerators. A lot is going to depend on the details. I'm inclined to basically run 2 of GK specific force org at this point but we'll just have to wait and see. Terminators with Psycannons aren't going to be bad with the point drop.

Will probably run 1 dk in every flavor now, One dual psycannon, one dual psylencer, one dual flamer.

Now to get another DK...

Was going to get a LR Crusader, but with the loss of psyammo now, would a vanilla LR be a better investment?

Now I need to know if you still need 5 paladins to get two heavy weapons...so my little murder ball can roll around in a land raider

Incinerators will be a lot more popular on some units now that they are not 20 points a pop. Especially on Interceptors. Shunt, Incinerator, bye bye back-field snipers or HW teams, or anything in an opentopped vehicle.

DE are really going to need a boost.

 daedalus wrote:
Ugh, this might finally make me bring back the Godhammer LR too.

Sounds like you need a bit of fibre in your diet, bud.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Will probably run 1 dk in every flavor now, One dual psycannon, one dual psylencer, one dual flamer.

Now to get another DK...

Was going to get a LR Crusader, but with the loss of psyammo now, would a vanilla LR be a better investment?

Now I need to know if you still need 5 paladins to get two heavy weapons...so my little murder ball can roll around in a land raider

IMO its a bad idea to have NDk have dual weapons. What happens if your dual Heavy Psycannons one gets taken out? Then you have no more rending shots. IMO the best thing is to mix them up. Take one with a heavy psycannon / heavy silencer, one with a heavy psysilencer, heavy incernerator, etc. That way if one died you don't lose all the good weapons for it for the rest of your army.

True enough

Think the DK stayed at 4 wounds or was bumped up to 5 like everyone else?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Will probably run 1 dk in every flavor now, One dual psycannon, one dual psylencer, one dual flamer.

Now to get another DK...

Was going to get a LR Crusader, but with the loss of psyammo now, would a vanilla LR be a better investment?

Now I need to know if you still need 5 paladins to get two heavy weapons...so my little murder ball can roll around in a land raider

IMO its a bad idea to have NDk have dual weapons. What happens if your dual Heavy Psycannons one gets taken out? Then you have no more rending shots. IMO the best thing is to mix them up. Take one with a heavy psycannon / heavy silencer, one with a heavy psysilencer, heavy incernerator, etc. That way if one died you don't lose all the good weapons for it for the rest of your army.

The same way you deal with it when any other Focused is taken out, Adapt on the field or loose.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Incinerators will be a lot more popular on some units now that they are not 20 points a pop. Especially on Interceptors. Shunt, Incinerator, bye bye back-field snipers or HW teams, or anything in an opentopped vehicle.

DE are really going to need a boost.

Has shunt stayed the same?

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Will probably run 1 dk in every flavor now, One dual psycannon, one dual psylencer, one dual flamer.

Now to get another DK...

Was going to get a LR Crusader, but with the loss of psyammo now, would a vanilla LR be a better investment?

Now I need to know if you still need 5 paladins to get two heavy weapons...so my little murder ball can roll around in a land raider

IMO its a bad idea to have NDk have dual weapons. What happens if your dual Heavy Psycannons one gets taken out? Then you have no more rending shots. IMO the best thing is to mix them up. Take one with a heavy psycannon / heavy silencer, one with a heavy psysilencer, heavy incernerator, etc. That way if one died you don't lose all the good weapons for it for the rest of your army.

The same way you deal with it when any other Focused is taken out, Adapt on the field or loose.

Um, thats what I mean. By mixing and matching, you won't have to adapt as much since you still have other Psycannons/Psylencers on another NDK.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Incinerators will be a lot more popular on some units now that they are not 20 points a pop. Especially on Interceptors. Shunt, Incinerator, bye bye back-field snipers or HW teams, or anything in an opentopped vehicle.

DE are really going to need a boost.

You assume shunt is still a rule. Again, my guess based on the NDK point drop on the PT is that shunt isn't a thing anymore.

It was confirmed that shunt has remained and unchanged

I think the Gatling Psilencer has actually become a worse option for the Dreadknight, especially if doubles can be taken.

The Heavy Incinerator is awesome, and S6, AP4, Ignores cover, Torrent doesn't really need to be explained.

The Heavy Psycannon with a dual profile is better because it can still fire like it always has, but now has a profile that can target Fliers.

The Gatling Psilencer just got Force. In most circumstances, the chance of actuallly wounding something that you'd need to Instant kill is so small, it isn't worth the chance of Perils of the Warp.

pretty disappointed with a lot the changes, most of the relics appear to be pretty underwhelming

 Red Corsair wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Incinerators will be a lot more popular on some units now that they are not 20 points a pop. Especially on Interceptors. Shunt, Incinerator, bye bye back-field snipers or HW teams, or anything in an opentopped vehicle.

DE are really going to need a boost.

You assume shunt is still a rule. Again, my guess based on the NDK point drop on the PT is that shunt isn't a thing anymore.

Havent read anythign regarding shunt yet.

Though one of the GK specific tactical cards leads me to believe it still exists

Per the bolter/chainsword thread

15) Teleport Attack - 1 VP if you killed a unit with a GK unit that deepstriked, shunted or was teleported by Gate of Infinity this turn

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292163-grey-knights-7e-codex-rumor/page-10

ForeverARookie wrote:
I think the Gatling Psilencer has actually become a worse option for the Dreadknight, especially if doubles can be taken.

The Heavy Incinerator is awesome, and S6, AP4, Ignores cover, Torrent doesn't really need to be explained.

The Heavy Psycannon with a dual profile is better because it can still fire like it always has, but now has a profile that can target Fliers.

The Gatling Psilencer just got Force. In most circumstances, the chance of actuallly wounding something that you'd need to Instant kill is so small, it isn't worth the chance of Perils of the Warp.

Agreed, I'm starting to think Psylincers are overrated. In most things you want IDed you'll need at least a 5 to wound, THEN you'll need to pass a psychic test, THEN you'll need to see if your opponent gets DTW.

Just pumping them full of Psycannon shots is still better I think...

Scolas wrote:
It was confirmed that shunt has remained and unchanged

Source?

Not sure about the rest of you, but DTW on force is still farily difficult having to roll 6's for each charge.

Its not as easy as people are making it out to be

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


15) Teleport Attack - 1 VP if you killed a unit with a GK unit that deepstriked, shunted or was teleported by Gate of Infinity this turn

This is good news, still doubting it is a 30" move though.


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Not sure about the rest of you, but DTW on force is still farily difficult having to roll 6's for each charge.

Its not as easy as people are making it out to be

Yea but if you are wasting dice on force I really don't care. Force is only good against a handful of unit types. Add to that it means your trying to assault and I am OK with it. I honestly don't think force on psilencers is very good. Awesome(cool)? Definitely, and will make some lawl moments. Not reliable as a strategy in the slightest though.