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How big would one have to be to be scaled with normal Games Workshop and Forge World models to be used in a match? For like orbital bombardment and drop pods.

The exact size of a battle barge is debatable, but if we go with a low end estimate of 5 km, then scaled to 28mm models it would be about 75 metres long... Good luck with that!

About the length of a tug boat.

I think that's almost as long as my flgs.. but boy oh boynwould that be cool.

Only fair if the Necrons bring a World Engine, then

The moon can proxy in

Good luck building that!

Only worth a few hundred thousand points lol!

BIG.

No, sorry, that's wrong...

HUGE

...yep, that'll do.

Go to your local marina and rent a fishing boat.

Thats your barge

Using the scale of a little space marine a battle barge would be the size of a small house or large truck. good luck with that.

You might be able to do terrain, as in, you can make a battle board where the two armies are fighting on one of its cannons, or something.

Terrain would be a cool idea, half a game board could be the interior of a crashed barge while the outside has debris and the assaulting enemy outside.

A Marine model is about 28 mm tall. Let's say a 'real' Marine would be 280 cm. That's a 1:100 scale factor.

So a ship that's 3 km or so would be 30 meters long as a model. Good luck with that, hahah.

And even at 30m it would be disproportionately small next to anything except Marines. If you're using guardsmen instead, it would need to be like 45m.

Just decorate the ceiling as a segment of a low flying Battle Barge.

 Ir0njack wrote:
I think that's almost as long as my flgs.. but boy oh boynwould that be cool.

We're gonna need....

A bigger FLGS!

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 Ailaros wrote:
You might be able to do terrain, as in, you can make a battle board where the two armies are fighting on one of its cannons, or something.

This is a fantastic idea!

It'd be far more practical to model out a section of a ship, like a hangar, cargo bay, or engineering section.

As others have noted, a scale size ship would still be...huge. 28mm models are usually 1:50-1:60 in scale, sometimes more, sometimes less. Let's assume SM's are overly small and say they're only 1:100. An 8200 meter long Battle Barge (IIRC that's from Battlefleet Gothic) would be 82 meters long to match 1:100 Space Marine models. If you scaled it to something a bit more realistic, say Forgeworld Death Korps infantry at the more reasonable ~1:50 scale, you're looking at something that's roughly the same size as an actual naval vessel, something like an Arleigh Burke class Destroyer.

pretty easy to do really....

redesign the entire ceiling of the FLGS as the underneath of the battle barge. Should about cover it

 Lamoura wrote:
How big would one have to be to be scaled with normal Games Workshop and Forge World models to be used in a match? For like orbital bombardment and drop pods.

It's already there. In EPIC:Armageddon you have to purchase orbital support, the ship only has a window of 1 turn over the battlefield and that's the only time you can deploy drop pods and call down an orbital bombardment. In a game of 40k you can bring down drop pods and the chapter master's orbital bombardment on any turn, ergo the ship must be up there the whole time (an entire game of 40k is equivalent to a single assault in Epic).

 Gashrog wrote:

 Lamoura wrote:
How big would one have to be to be scaled with normal Games Workshop and Forge World models to be used in a match? For like orbital bombardment and drop pods.

It's already there. In EPIC:Armageddon you have to purchase orbital support, the ship only has a window of 1 turn over the battlefield and that's the only time you can deploy drop pods and call down an orbital bombardment. In a game of 40k you can bring down drop pods and the chapter master's orbital bombardment on any turn, ergo the ship must be up there the whole time (an entire game of 40k is equivalent to a single assault in Epic).

Thanks for reminding me that I never got to play the glory that is Epic: Armageddon...

Check out http://www.merzo.net/ and check the 10x tab. A Cobra Class Destroyer is 1.5 km long while a Retribution Class Battleship is 7.5 km. In comparison, the Empire State Building is only 443.2 m tall.

 Ashiraya wrote:
A Marine model is about 28 mm tall. Let's say a 'real' Marine would be 280 cm. That's a 1:100 scale factor.

15mm is 1/100 scale. 28mm would be closer to 1/56 scale.

 Ghaz wrote:
Check out http://www.merzo.net/ and check the 10x tab. A Cobra Class Destroyer is 1.5 km long while a Retribution Class Battleship is 7.5 km.

Funny thing about those Merzo figures is that they're completely made up. Before BFG ships appeared on that chart many people assumed the ships to be about 50% shorter. This chart illustrates the vague consensus of BFG community before the Merzo charts. Of course, nowadays many people believe Merzo, including FFG designers that used similar numbers for their publications, so apparently Merzo charts have been made retroactively (semi) canon...

15mm is 1/100 scale. 28mm would be closer to 1/56 scale.

I calculate the scale for what it is, not what GW tried and failed to make it.

So ummm what about a smalller ship that a chaos warband would use as i flagship? ;n; I'm to poor to make anything as big as your all saying

 Ashiraya wrote:

I calculate the scale for what it is, not what GW tried and failed to make it.

You mean what you imagine it to be?

Marines are not 2,8 metres tall, nor are marine models 28 mm tall, so both starting points for your calculation are wrong.


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 Lamoura wrote:
So ummm what about a smalller ship that a chaos warband would use as i flagship? ;n; I'm to poor to make anything as big as your all saying

If we go with smaller, pre-Merzo, scale, and take the smallest ship in BFG (Cobra), then it still would be over 10 metres in 40K scale.

There are some references to smaller patrol and courier ships, so maybe you could build one of those?

 Ashiraya wrote:

15mm is 1/100 scale. 28mm would be closer to 1/56 scale.

I calculate the scale for what it is, not what GW tried and failed to make it.

Then your calculations are off. 15mm is 1/100 scale and is about half the size of 40K.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

15mm is 1/100 scale. 28mm would be closer to 1/56 scale.

I calculate the scale for what it is, not what GW tried and failed to make it.

Then your calculations are off. 15mm is 1/100 scale and is about half the size of 40K.

Debatable. A Space Marine and a Guardsman are arguably not to scale with each other, since the Marine is supposed to be larger but isn't. Neither are their tanks, since 10 Marines are supposed to fit in a Rhino but don't.

What is to scale, the Guardsman or the Marine? Or neither?

What is to scale, the infantry or their transports? Or neither?

 Crimson wrote:
You mean what you imagine it to be?

What I interpret it to be. I am not making gak up. You and I just choose to believe contradicting but equally canon sources.

 Crimson wrote:
Marines are not 2,8 metres tall

Debatable, there are source/s pointing out otherwise, but we had a thread on that already.

 Crimson wrote:
nor are marine models 28 mm tall, so both starting points for your calculation are wrong.

Honestly, the point was not to get an exact result. The point was more to show 'Yeah, a Barge would probably be bigger than what would fit on your gaming table.'

Just make it a random civilian barge not based on anything in fluff (as you would need a literal river barge to make it accurate)

Just because GW fudges the scale on their models doesn't change the fact that they're not the scale that you're saying that they are. 1/100 is 15mm and is smaller than what is used by 40K. A 15mm (1/100) Sherman V for Flames of War is approximately 5.5cm long while the infantry is approximately 1cm tall. A metal Grey Knight Terminator stands 3cm tall. That would make him 18 foot tall according to your scale. A plastic Cadian stands 2.5cm tall. That would make him 15 foot tall in your scale.

Your math is wrong. 28mm models are not 1/100 scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_figure_(gaming)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_wargaming#Scale

 Ghaz wrote:
A metal Grey Knight Terminator stands 3cm tall. That would make him 18 foot tall according to your scale.

(Just going to point out, that if a 3cm Grey Knight Terminator is 1/100, then that would make him 3cm x 100 = 300 cm tall, or about nine-ten feet. Which really is not that unreasonable at all. I mean, Crimson will hate it regardless, but it will not be beyond what some canon fluff has mentioned, so it's not like there is no precedent.)

 Ghaz wrote:
A plastic Cadian stands 2.5cm tall. That would make him 15 foot tall in your scale.

Or 2,5m, rather, if we calculate like the Terminator. Which is grossly out of scale, of course, but then, that Marines and Guardsmen are out of scale to each other should be news to no one.

Terminator models are not 30mm, and 300cm is not nine feet.

 Crimson wrote:
Terminator models are not 30mm

No, they are 25 or 35 or whatever. The exact specifics are really not important as much as the general size. The end result is somewhere in the 300 cm area, which, as said, is not that out of place.

 Crimson wrote:
and 300cm is not nine feet.

No, it is 9.84251968503 feet, which fits in the

 Ashiraya wrote:
nine-ten feet

I said, so what is your point?

Edit: I went and measured my friend's Paladin Apothecary, and he's 40 mm, or four meters in 'real' 40K. Not that far off, and does not impair the point. Assuming 1/100 scale, I'd actually argue the Terminator is a tad large, as four meters is something I'd expect off a Primarch, not a Terminator. Maybe 1/70 or 1/80 would be more accurate for the models.