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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 17:27:29
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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So, this should be good
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/satanists-hobby-lobby-decision-play-devils-advocate/story?id=24772548
A group of Satanists are using the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision to promote their own political initiatives -- which are the polar opposite of the Christian craft store giant.
The Supreme Court ruling allows Hobby Lobby to opt out of providing contraceptives to their employees on the basis of their religious beliefs. Now, The Satanic Temple plans to cite the verdict as justification for the protection of their own beliefs.
The Satanic Temple, a religious group based in New York but with followers across the country, is using the ruling to fight informed consent laws which mandate that women considering abortions must be given state-approved literature about the procedure.
Where they exist, informed consent laws differ by state, with some requiring women to watch videos or read information of varying amounts of time before scheduling their procedures.
"We should only have to review medical or scientific information based solely on fact and not politicized," said Jex Blackmore, the head of the Detroit chapter of The Satanic Temple. "Some of that state-drafted information is medical in nature [but] it's just that it's written in a very biased format."
The group announced the initiative last week and have provided a form letter intended to enable women to opt-out of receiving the pamphlets distributed under the informed consent laws. They contend that the informed consent pamphlets run counter to their religious beliefs. Women are able to print off the opt-out form, fill it out and hand it to their doctor. If the doctor still gives them the state-mandated forms in spite of the letter, The Satanic Temple says it will file a lawsuit on their behalf.
Blackmore said they have not filed any such suits since the initiative was launched.
"It’s an opening statement, as it were," W. James MacNaughton, The Satanic Temple's attorney, told ABC. "It’s a statement from the patient to the physician and to the world at large that 'here’s my position, here's what i believe'. actually going to court and picking the test case actually depends on the facts. At this stage, we don't know who that will be."
The Satanic Temple remains a mystery to many but their spokesman Lucien Greaves told ABC News that they have gained 10,000 members in the past year and a half. They gained notoriety earlier this year when they pushed for a 7-foot Satanic statue to be approved to stand alongside a 10 Commandments monument at the Oklahoma State Capital. The statue is under construction.
Cardozo School of Law professor Marci Hamilton, who has written extensively about the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), said that The Satanic Temple's plan to use the Hobby Lobby ruling as the basis for their initiative could be effective if and when they bring a lawsuit to the courts.
"This was inevitable," Hamilton told ABC News. "This is following exactly on that line of thinking that a regulation that impedes the ability of the believer to practice that religion is going to be challenged."
She said that an important distinction to keep in mind is that both the Hobby Lobby decision and The Satanic Temple's initiative both rely on RFRA, which helps individuals fight laws that counter their religious beliefs, as opposed to the First Amendment of the Constitution.
RFRA was passed in 1993 and adds more protections than the Constitution lays out for religious freedom. A number of legal experts, including Hamilton, believe RFRA is unconstitutional. In her view, Hamilton believes RFRA caused "this wave of extreme religious liberty that is untethered from the constitution."
"For those of us who have been working on RFRA issues for two decades... inevitably it was going to be groups that raised claims that made either ordinary Americans or the far right find uncomfortable," Hamilton said.
When it comes to fighting any lawsuits that The Satanic Temple brings forward regarding informed consent laws, it appears that the devil is truly in the details.
"It really puts the conservative Christians and the anti-contraceptive Catholics in a bind: They're going to have to argue that a religious group should lose a RFRA claim that is on par with the Hobby Lobby claim," Hamilton said.
"The courts cant pick and choose between beliefs."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 17:31:51
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Is the Satanic Temple paying for abortions as part of health care coverage?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 17:40:55
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Can't say you didn't see this coming.
How long do you think it will take before we see a religion invented entirely from whole cloth with the sole intent to avoid compliance with a law? If I had less scruples and more time...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 17:47:17
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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I'm just surprised it wasn't the Scientologists first...
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 17:48:22
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Oh, I'm sure they're busy trying to find a way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:07:52
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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The group announced the initiative last week and have provided a form letter intended to enable women to opt-out of receiving the pamphlets distributed under the informed consent laws. They contend that the informed consent pamphlets run counter to their religious beliefs. Women are able to print off the opt-out form, fill it out and hand it to their doctor. If the doctor still gives them the state-mandated forms in spite of the letter, The Satanic Temple says it will file a lawsuit on their behalf.
If they can prove there is a religious belief being violated then it works for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:10:26
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I can see Hobby Lobby bringing the end of all we know in the US.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:11:04
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Frazzled wrote:The group announced the initiative last week and have provided a form letter intended to enable women to opt-out of receiving the pamphlets distributed under the informed consent laws. They contend that the informed consent pamphlets run counter to their religious beliefs. Women are able to print off the opt-out form, fill it out and hand it to their doctor. If the doctor still gives them the state-mandated forms in spite of the letter, The Satanic Temple says it will file a lawsuit on their behalf.
If they can prove there is a religious belief being violated then it works for me.
Must be in Chapter 17 of Corinthians.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:15:43
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Fixture of Dakka
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jasper76 wrote:
Can't say you didn't see this coming.
How long do you think it will take before we see a religion invented entirely from whole cloth with the sole intent to avoid compliance with a law? If I had less scruples and more time...
May his noodly appendage embrace thee brother!
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:26:19
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Pastafari!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:42:16
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Ginsburg was right - they have ventured into a minefield.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:45:20
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Ouze wrote:Ginsburg was right - they have ventured into a minefield.
Eh... if they can justify it under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act... by all means, it's kosher.
Maybe that'll jolt Congress to actually do something about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:45:59
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Is this like when that state passed a law giving funding to religious schools but then when the legislators found out it was funding Muslim and Hindu schools and not just Christian schools they were apoplectic? The idea that there were other belief systems seemed new to a few of them.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 18:52:35
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Ahtman wrote:Is this like when that state passed a law giving funding to religious schools but then when the legislators found out it was funding Muslim and Hindu schools and not just Christian schools they were apoplectic? The idea that there were other belief systems seemed new to a few of them.
True that. We all know there is only One True Wienie. All others are just imitators and false prophets from the Great Kitty Satan.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 20:27:30
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Fixture of Dakka
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fundies of any stripe are ignorami.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 23:38:54
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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[MOD]
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Ahtman wrote:Is this like when that state passed a law giving funding to religious schools but then when the legislators found out it was funding Muslim and Hindu schools and not just Christian schools they were apoplectic? The idea that there were other belief systems seemed new to a few of them.
That is hilariously awful. Where did that happen?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 00:14:39
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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The Supreme Court is going senile. They oughta start having term limits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 00:44:39
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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LoneLictor wrote:The Supreme Court is going senile. They oughta start having term limits.
Amen
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 00:48:55
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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LoneLictor wrote:The Supreme Court is going senile. They oughta start having term limits.
It's not the SCOTUS... it's Congress.
Congress has the power to change the RFRA and there's nothing SCOTUS can do about it.
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 00:50:00
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Gargantuan Gargant
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Supreme Court members are appointed to push certain agendas, instead of their ability to make just decisions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 00:53:22
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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adamsouza wrote:Supreme Court members are appointed to push certain agendas, instead of their ability to make just decisions.
Yup... now you know why it's important as to who's in the White House.
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 00:59:55
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I also agree the Supreme Court needs term limits, or a mandatory retirement age.
The current structure was set up in a time when average life expectancy was the mid-30s, and I question whether the founders considered the idea of a supreme court where the average age is nearly twice that - 69.
I think the problem becomes more and more apparent with every technology case that comes about: our countries economy is now substantially driven by the technology sector, and the court that ultimately arbitrates these decisions still " haven't gotten to email'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 01:00:18
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Kid_Kyoto
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whembly wrote:
Yup... now you know why it's important as to who's in the White House.
Course, that's the reason term limits would be just as dangerous, if not more. I mean, imagine if all those appointment cooldowns popped over the course of one president's reign. No president should have that kind of control over the Supremes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 01:05:56
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Maybe they should have to take a senility test every year.
I am not joking. It could be discrete and respectful. We seriously have one or two justices that are exhibiting symptoms of senility, and this is not a job that a senile person should be allowed to hold. We wouldn't allow a senile general to have command of anything important. Why should we allow a senile Supreme Court Justice to make decisions of immense gravity?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 01:06:41
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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daedalus wrote: whembly wrote:
Yup... now you know why it's important as to who's in the White House.
Course, that's the reason term limits would be just as dangerous, if not more. I mean, imagine if all those appointment cooldowns popped over the course of one president's reign. No president should have that kind of control over the Supremes.
That's true...
Maybe at least an age limit?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/25 01:25:15
Subject: Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Squatting with the squigs
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HERESY!
You know not what you talk of . I'll educate you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 01:28:16
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Kid_Kyoto
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Is... is that a thing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 01:29:02
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Holy gak that is the best laugh I've had all month!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 01:29:48
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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motyak wrote: Ahtman wrote:Is this like when that state passed a law giving funding to religious schools but then when the legislators found out it was funding Muslim and Hindu schools and not just Christian schools they were apoplectic? The idea that there were other belief systems seemed new to a few of them.
That is hilariously awful. Where did that happen?
I had to look it up as it has been awhile, but it was Louisiana.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 01:31:38
Subject: Re:Satanists to use precedent set by Hobby Lobby
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Squatting with the squigs
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Fundies have been around over 20 years I remember going to a store when I was about 10 just to giggle at them. Fundies are indeed a thing. A good thing. They bring people together.
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Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST" |
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