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2014/08/04 18:25:01
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
RJCarrot wrote: I didn't know it did.... probably because I am part of the population that doesn't really care.
People that want guns are going to have them if they are legal or not.
Bad guys are bad guys cause they don't care about laws, they will have them regardless.
I personally don't want to carry one. But if I am on a bus and someone pulls one for a bad reason and someone else on the bus has one and shoots him. I would be OK with that.
I don't think we can claim to know how we would react in a situation with having prior experience. For someone who has never experienced extreme violence first hand, I'm sure seeing someone being shot would be horrifying.
2014/08/04 18:26:58
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
RJCarrot wrote: I didn't know it did.... probably because I am part of the population that doesn't really care.
People that want guns are going to have them if they are legal or not.
Bad guys are bad guys cause they don't care about laws, they will have them regardless.
I personally don't want to carry one. But if I am on a bus and someone pulls one for a bad reason and someone else on the bus has one and shoots him. I would be OK with that.
I don't think we can claim to know how we would react in a situation with having prior experience. For someone who has never experienced extreme violence first hand, I'm sure seeing someone being shot would be horrifying.
f so, then why does every extreme conservative politician always appeal to the LOOK WE HAVE GUNS mentality
Why do lefties always want to take firearms from legal gun owners but never do anything about the actual issue?
Nobody has ever said anything about coming to your house and taking your guns away. Nobody has ever said making guns COMPLETELY illegal.
I don't agree with everything on that issue either buts its important to know that Obama is not coming to your house to take your guns away.
Feinstein did. Holder did. NY effectively banned firearms and sought the ability to go to houses and seize them using registrations as no one is turning theirs in.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/08/04 18:31:28
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/08/04 18:36:39
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Nobody has ever said anything about coming to your house and taking your guns away. Nobody has ever said making guns COMPLETELY illegal.
I don't agree with everything on that issue either buts its important to know that Obama is not coming to your house to take your guns away.
The issue is that many of his political allies have said they would if they could, and/or represent districts that are so restricted as to fundamentally really be such. Feinstein, Holder, Bloomberg, etc.
I don't believe the Obama himself really cares too much about guns, but it's rarely Executive branch actions that are the issue (barring foreign importation actions). Recently, NYC has been going out and demanding collection of rifles and shotguns capable of accepting magazines with more than 5 rounds (i.e. largely anything built after 1930's...). CA had its own issues with its assault rifle registration shennanigans and certain SKS model rifles.
It's not an imagined threat.
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2014/08/04 18:36:59
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
2014/08/04 18:38:59
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Compromise on what exactly? We have plenty of laws on the books.
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
2014/08/04 18:42:07
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Compromise on what exactly? We have plenty of laws on the books.
Immigration reform, public education, health care
2014/08/04 18:46:48
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
ATXMILEY wrote: Nobody has ever said anything about coming to your house and taking your guns away. Nobody has ever said making guns COMPLETELY illegal.
The following was posted as a comment by Excedrine under yesterday’s post, Don’t Worry, No One Wants to Take Your Guns.
I laugh when they trot out that old, tired line. I really do. Right in their faces. Then, I point out all the people who do. Branford, Connecticut Police Officer Joseph Peterson does. “I [would] give my left nut to bang down your door and come for your gun.” Those are his exact words to a long-time “friend” of his . . .
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D – CA) does.
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.” – Associated Press, 18 November, 1993.
“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them; “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,” I would have done it.” – 60 Minutes on CBS, 5 February, 1995.
“The National Guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.”
Senator Frank Launtenberg (D – NJ) did.
“We have other legislation that all of you are aware that I have been so active on, with my colleagues here, and that is to shut down the gun shows.”
He died last year.
Fmr. Senator Howard Metzenbaum (D – OH) did.
“No, we’re not looking at how to control criminals … we’re talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns.” – Constitution Subcommittee, 2 February, 1989
He died in 2008.
Fmr. Representative Charles Pashayan (R – CA) does.
“All of this has to be understood as part of a process leading ultimately to a treaty
that will give an international body power over our domestic laws.” – United Nations Small Arms Conference, 2001
Fmr. Senator John Chafee (R – RI) did.
“I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs)… . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!” – Minneapolis Star Tribune pg. 31A, 15 June, 1992.
He died back in 1999.
Then-Senator Joe “Buckshot” Biden (D – DE) does.
“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.” – Associated Press, 11 November, 1993
Representative Jan Schakowski (D – IL) does.
“I believe…..this is my final word……I believe that I’m supporting the Constitution of the United States which does not give the right for any individual to own a handgun….” – Recorded 25 June, 2000 by Matt Beauchamp
Fmr. Representative Major Owens (D – NY) did.
“We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose.”
He died last year.
Representative Bobby Rush (D – IL) does.
“My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don’t have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that’s the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation.”
Vermont State Mary Ann Carlson (D) does.
“We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing
who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.”
New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo (D) does.
” …confiscation could be an option…”
Sarah Brady, fmr. Chairman of Handgun Control Inc. (now The Brady Campaign) does.
“…I don’t believe gun owners have rights.” – Hearst Newspapers, October 1997
“The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I’m just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough.” – 1 July, 1988
“Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.” – The National Educator, January 1994, pg. 3, to Fmr. Senator Howard Metzenbaum
Fmr. Chancellor of Boston University John Silber did.
“I don’t believe anybody has a right to own any kind of a firearm. I believe in order to obtain a permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness . . . The Constitution doesn’t count!”
He died in 2012.
Fmr. United States Attorney General Janet “Waco” Reno does.
“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.” – Written affidavit by Fred Diamond, 1984 B’nai B’rith meeting in Coral Gables, Florida
Deborah Prothrow-Stith, of the Office of Government and Community Programs and the Community Violence Prevention Project at the Harvard School of Public Health, does.
“My own view on gun control is simple: I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anybody would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned.”
Rosie O’Donnell does.
“I think there should be a law — and I know this is extreme — that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns.” – Ottawa Sun, 29 April, 1999
“I don’t care if you want to hunt, I don’t care if you think it’s your right. I say, sorry, you are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison.” – The Rosie O’Donnell Show, 19 April, 1999.
The American Civil Liberties Union does.
“We urge passage of federal legislation … to prohibit … the private ownership and possession of handguns.” – National ACLU Policy #47
I could go on literally for days and days, listing pages upon pages of people saying exactly how and why they’re coming for our guns. Not a single bit of it could ever be supported, defended, or refuted by them, either.
2014/08/04 18:46:52
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Compromise on what exactly? We have plenty of laws on the books.
Immigration reform, public education, health care
I'm talking about gun control laws specifically.
But, yeah both parties don't like each other at the moment.
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
2014/08/04 18:49:04
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Frazzled wrote: How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
2014/08/04 18:50:54
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Compromise on what exactly? We have plenty of laws on the books.
Immigration reform, public education, health care
I'm talking about gun control laws specifically.
But, yeah both parties don't like each other at the moment.
I think the limiting of guns (magazine size etc.) is a bad reaction to the slew of recent gun violence. Taking away certain weapons won't solve the problem. The huge majority of perpetrators in these crimes have been mentally ill. If we increase the attention on mental health care we would have no reason to limit weapons because we won't have people looking to go on a killing spree.
2014/08/04 18:51:58
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Never seena lefty politician compromise and give MORE gun rights back to legal citizenry.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/08/04 18:53:06
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
The ban pertains more to the sanction on Russian exports then his actual view on guns.
2014/08/04 18:54:33
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Compromise on what exactly? We have plenty of laws on the books.
Immigration reform, public education, health care
I'm talking about gun control laws specifically.
But, yeah both parties don't like each other at the moment.
I think the limiting of guns (magazine size etc.) is a bad reaction to the slew of recent gun violence. Taking away certain weapons won't solve the problem. The huge majority of perpetrators in these crimes have been mentally ill. If we increase the attention on mental health care we would have no reason to limit weapons because we won't have people looking to go on a killing spree.
There's merits to that discussion and I don't think I've seen any serious opposition from pro-gun crowd on this topic.
But, it's a whole-different can-o-worms on mental health.
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
2014/08/04 18:54:40
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Frazzled wrote: Never seena lefty politician compromise and give MORE gun rights back to legal citizenry.
Not even those being recalled for wanting to undermine a Constitutional Right I think Sam Adams had something to say about this;
“The Constitution shall never be construed to…prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” — Samuel Adams
“Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense.” — John Adams, paraphrased, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)
2014/08/04 18:55:55
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Never seena lefty politician compromise and give MORE gun rights back to legal citizenry.
That's exactly the kind of downward spiral I'm talking about. You're criticizing one side for not compromising when by definition, compromise takes work by both sides.
2014/08/04 18:56:11
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation? Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
The ban pertains more to the sanction on Russian exports then his actual view on guns.
Sure, and I am sure the ban will be lifted when they comply....
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation? Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Never seena lefty politician compromise and give MORE gun rights back to legal citizenry.
That's exactly the kind of downward spiral I'm talking about. You're criticizing one side for not compromising when by definition, compromise takes work by both sides.
Compromise means you taking my rights. As Fat Buddha once said: "screw you hippy!" One should never ever compromise on the Bill of Rights.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/08/04 19:01:24
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
The ban pertains more to the sanction on Russian exports then his actual view on guns.
Sure, and I am sure the ban will be lifted when they comply....
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Never seena lefty politician compromise and give MORE gun rights back to legal citizenry.
That's exactly the kind of downward spiral I'm talking about. You're criticizing one side for not compromising when by definition, compromise takes work by both sides.
Compromise means you taking my rights. As Fat Buddha once said: "screw you hippy!"
One should never ever compromise on the Bill of Rights.
But the bill of rights should be up to interpretation. Just as there are laws regarding the usage of the 1st Amendment, there should be laws regarding all of the other amendments as well.
2014/08/04 19:03:58
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.
Provides states with monetary incentives—$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014—to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.
Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds. (Completely ineffective)
Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes “loopholes” in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for “straw purchasers” who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people. Hope he asks the ATF how not to do it after Fast & Furious
Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.
Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.
Provides training for “active shooter” situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials. (there are 98,000+ public schools)
Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.
Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks. (all prior attempts at this typically demonize lawful gun owners - see Brady Campaign, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, and Moms Demand Action)
Helps schools invest in safety. The president’s plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans. (The plan is cross your fingers and hope you don't get shot because you are prevented from effectively defending yourself)
Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.
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Frazzled wrote: Sure, and I am sure the ban will be lifted when they comply....
Just like Norinco
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2014/08/04 19:05:53
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
How many laws limit the First Amendment. now compare that to the 50,000 or so for the Second Amendment.
We've already compromised and compromised enough thank you very much.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/08/04 19:07:01
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
ATXMILEY wrote: But the bill of rights should be up to interpretation. Just as there are laws regarding the usage of the 1st Amendment, there should be laws regarding all of the other amendments as well.
The cases of Heller, and MacDonald, say that citizens have the right to bear arms for self defense
2014/08/04 19:10:50
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
ATXMILEY wrote: But the bill of rights should be up to interpretation. Just as there are laws regarding the usage of the 1st Amendment, there should be laws regarding all of the other amendments as well.
The cases of Heller, and MacDonald, say that citizens have the right to bear arms for self defense
The cases of Yogi and Boo Boo confirm the right to arm bears for self offense.
"This is a select fire 30.06 Browning Automatic Rifle. It has a 20 round magazine of 175 grain hardball and can blow your head clean off. Dead or alive you're coming with me."
-Smokey the bear, after one too many forest fires. Sometimes a bear has to do what a bear has to do.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/08/04 19:11:59
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
The ban pertains more to the sanction on Russian exports then his actual view on guns.
Sure, and I am sure the ban will be lifted when they comply....
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Never seena lefty politician compromise and give MORE gun rights back to legal citizenry.
That's exactly the kind of downward spiral I'm talking about. You're criticizing one side for not compromising when by definition, compromise takes work by both sides.
Compromise means you taking my rights. As Fat Buddha once said: "screw you hippy!"
One should never ever compromise on the Bill of Rights.
But the bill of rights should be up to interpretation. Just as there are laws regarding the usage of the 1st Amendment, there should be laws regarding all of the other amendments as well.
Few people have problems with laws like "convicted violent felons can't own firearms" or "you can't bring a loaded gun onto an airplane" just like most people don't have a problem with "you can't shout fire in a crowded theater".
However, most other gun laws are largely punitive. I could understand a waiting period for instance, perhaps for the first gun you buy. Why do I need another 10 day "cooling off" period for my 9th firearm?
Why can't I have a standard capacity magazine? Why can I have a CZ75 in Black finish but not Brushed Silver? Why does a pistol grip on a rifle make a difference as to its legality when it changes none of its potential lethality? Why can I own X rifle but not Z rifle despite both sharing the same round and both having nearly identical rate of fire/accuracy/range/etc? Why do I have to research gobs of new laws just for transportation depending on where I travel?
See where I'm going here?
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2014/08/04 19:14:36
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
The ban pertains more to the sanction on Russian exports then his actual view on guns.
Sure, and I am sure the ban will be lifted when they comply....
Random Dude wrote: If you're gauging excitement based off adrenaline rush, I'm sure it would be exciting.
You mean what every thrill ride is based on?
How come when lefties say "common sense" legislation or "lets compromise" it means legal gun owners have to give up rights? Where is the interstate CHL legislation?
Also Obama just banned Soviet er Rooskie AKs.
I'm will not sink to the level of criticizing a specific party. It is the job of BOTH parties to compromise, and BOTH parties are failing to do so.
Never seena lefty politician compromise and give MORE gun rights back to legal citizenry.
That's exactly the kind of downward spiral I'm talking about. You're criticizing one side for not compromising when by definition, compromise takes work by both sides.
Compromise means you taking my rights. As Fat Buddha once said: "screw you hippy!"
One should never ever compromise on the Bill of Rights.
But the bill of rights should be up to interpretation. Just as there are laws regarding the usage of the 1st Amendment, there should be laws regarding all of the other amendments as well.
Few people have problems with laws like "convicted violent felons can't own firearms" or "you can't bring a loaded gun onto an airplane" just like most people don't have a problem with "you can't shout fire in a crowded theater".
However, most other gun laws are largely punitive. I could understand a waiting period for instance, perhaps for the first gun you buy. Why do I need another 10 day "cooling off" period for my 9th firearm?
Why can't I have a standard capacity magazine? Why can I have a CZ75 in Black finish but not Brushed Silver? Why does a pistol grip on a rifle make a difference as to its legality when it changes none of its potential lethality? Why can I own X rifle but not Z rifle despite both sharing the same round and both having nearly identical rate of fire/accuracy/range/etc? Why do I have to research gobs of new laws just for transportation depending on where I travel?
See where I'm going here?
And I agree those laws are pretty stupid and only makes things more complicated.
2014/08/04 19:35:05
Subject: Re:In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
NuggzTheNinja wrote: How does that line go for the Libertarian party? "I support gay married couples' rights to defend their pot farm with firearms?"
100%
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2014/08/04 19:39:17
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
Meanwhile, you get despicable politicians and individuals(not going to name them but they should be obvious), who are homophobic, possibly racist religious fundamentalist who seem to get a lot support from many just for their stance on guns alone.
Because a lot of voters are despicable individuals who are homophobic, possibly rascist religous fundamentalists too.
It's not jsut Gun Rights.
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2014/08/04 19:40:54
Subject: In America, why does a person's view on guns triumph over EVERYthing else?
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