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I've been searching through the main IG/AM codex and everything FW related... Can't find any transports or tanks (with transport capacity) that have the Assault Vehicle special rule. Was hoping for at least ONE transport that would allow me to disembark and assault on the same turn.

None I can think of, remember Open Topped is Assault Vehicle in case there is a FW one I don't know about.

Guardsmen in Land Raiders works too

Haha yeah I'm running pure IG right now, but tossing some bullgryns with the power maul in a land raider would be SUPER fun.

Good point on open topped being an assault vehicle... Although I'm not seeing any open topped vehicles with transport capacity.

Crassus armoured assault transport... should have really put that in caps...

BAH how did I forget, certain Baneblade Chassis Superheavies count as Open-Topped for Embarking and Disembarking. Stormlord and Banehammer from the top of my head, maybe more



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Poly Ranger wrote:
Crassus armoured assault transport... should have really put that in caps...

Right, but it doesn't have the Assault Vehicle special rule even though they put assault in the name. It has Overdrive and that's it. I'm probably over thinking this but I know the opponents in my group will challenge me if it doesn't have that specific special rule. Maybe it's been FAQ'd?

diepotato47 wrote:
BAH how did I forget, certain Baneblade Chassis Superheavies count as Open-Topped for Embarking and Disembarking. Stormlord and Banehammer from the top of my head, maybe more

And do you have a page reference for that? I just read the rules for super heavy vehicles and super heavy transports and didn't see anything about them being treated as open-topped for embarking and disembarking. That would be AWESOME!

 eluxir wrote:
And do you have a page reference for that? I just read the rules for super heavy vehicles and super heavy transports and didn't see anything about them being treated as open-topped for embarking and disembarking. That would be AWESOME!

Off the top of my head, I know the Stormlord from the escalation book is open-topped for embarking and disembarking.

Most superheavy tanks have the "tank riders" special rule, that lets units use it as a transport, and it counts as open topped for all transport purposes only (passengers firing, assault, and getting flamered)

Gorgon transport is an open top vehicle that can hold 50 and pop out 2 units a turn

 DanielBeaver wrote:

 eluxir wrote:
And do you have a page reference for that? I just read the rules for super heavy vehicles and super heavy transports and didn't see anything about them being treated as open-topped for embarking and disembarking. That would be AWESOME!

Off the top of my head, I know the Stormlord from the escalation book is open-topped for embarking and disembarking.

You're right! I just found it in the Escalation book: "Access Points: The Stormlord is treated as Open-topped for embarking and disembarking purposes. The +1 damage modifier for Open-topped vehicles does not apply to a Stormlord." pg. 137 of pdf version

Looks like that is the only one with that detail. Doomhammer & Banehammer just say that they have one Access Point at the rear.

 Desubot wrote:
Gorgon transport is an open top vehicle that can hold 50 and pop out 2 units a turn

Now that is sexy. Just read that the Centaur is open-topped as well. It can only hold 5 models though... so that wouldn't work for my power mauled bullgryns. That Gorgon though!

If its treated as an open top for embarking and disembarking, where does it say they get assault vehicle rules?

its specifically not an open top, it just lets you disembarking from any point of the hull..

 Desubot wrote:
If its treated as an open top for embarking and disembarking, where does it say they get assault vehicle rules?

its specifically not an open top, it just lets you disembarking from any point of the hull..

All open-topped transports have the assault vehicle special rule....

is it an open-topped transport???

 Desubot wrote:
All open-topped transports have the assault vehicle special rule....

is it an open-topped transport???

I misunderstood your question. If you're talking about the Stormlord here's the detail... It's a super-heavy vehicle, transport.

What im saying is, the Stormlord is not an assault vehicle and never gets the rules or counts as having the rules for assault vehicle. It is only treated as an open-topped when embarking and disembarking, which means you can disembark and embark from any point on the hull.

no where does it connect the two. making it as bad of a assault vehicle as a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!

Ahhhh I see... Thanks for spelling that out.

Honestly, I could see it getting interpreted both ways. I figured it included the ability to charge on the same turn since that is allowed when disembarking open-topped vehicles . But you make a valid point and I could see it being argued that there is no connection between the stormlord and the assault vehicle special rule since it is not classified as an open-topped transport.

I would argue that you can assault from a Stormlord though. The rule states when embarking and disembarking the Stormlord counts as being open topped.
Therefore, the unit has just disembarked from an open topped vehicle.
Units that disembark from an open topped vehicle can assault, as you have disembarked from a unit that counts as having the Open Topped rule.

That's exactly the way I read it

Not everyone does though so it should be noted.

its how people assume when something is like something that suddenly pulls other rules into it, like scoring like troops some how gives them OS (but that's a different thread).

As well for what might be intended. this sudo open top is listed under access points as a way to allow people to actually disembark. (as the only access modeled is on the center of the model while not giving you permission to stand on a model)

The wording in the Stormlord entry does not confer Assault Vehicle status on the Stormlord. Nor does it make the Stormlord an Open-Topped vehicles with the additional benefits that entails. All it does is let units embark and disembark as if it was Open-topped (ie, jump on and off from any point on the hull). My 2c anyway...

I've been running the stormlord as an assault vehicle. There's no way to dismiss parts of the "treated as an open topped vehicle" rules that you adhere to without the whole thing breaking down. Especially when it goes on to mention that you don't count the +1 damage chart rule which has zero bearing on (dis)embarkation to begin with.

"If a vehicle is open topped, add 1 to any rolls made on the vehicle damage table."
"All open topped transports have the assault vehicle special rule"

It's basically the same terminology going on in both of those, and by your rationale, they shouldn't have needed to caveat either of them, but they did caveat one of them. I just can't wrap my head around it any other way than that it must also be an assault vehicle, also within the limited purposes of when people embark or disembark (not that it matters at any other time)

I mean, to take that argument to the logical extreme (reducto ad absurdum) , there's nothing in open topped vehicles in da roolz that actually talks about how passengers disembark or embark from an open topped vehicle.

It says: "Open-topped vehicles do not have specific access points. Instead all of the vehicle is considered to be an access point." Same terminology. But your vehicle isn't treated as open topped for the purposes of what access points it has, merely for "embarking and disembarking purposes", remember? Since it's talking about access points and not disembarkation, I suggest that your same argument implies you can't ever disembark from the stormlord to begin with, because there are no access points to do so, since it's not ACTUALLY an open topped vehicle. So then why would they write any of that when they obviously didn't want you to put anything in the vehicle or take it out, ever?