Does psychic focus count as 'generating a power'?

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**DaPino**

So, does it?

**grendel083**

Debatable, as you're about to see

**DeathReaper**

DaPino wrote:
So, does it?

No, as there are only two ways in the BRB to generate a power.

"the Psyker knows a number of psychic powers equal to his Mastery Level. Each of these powers will need to be generated, as described below." (BRB The Psychic Phase chapter, Number of Psychic Powers section).

and below it states: "In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed ... Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him. (BRB The Psychic Phase chapter, Generating Psychic Powers section, 2nd Graph).

So the only ways to generate psychic powers are having them listed in the Army List entry, or Generating them randomly.

The power associated with psychic focus is not generated.

**blaktoof**

+1 to the above.

Psychic focus is not generated, it is a power that is granted by generating no other powers outside of a discipline.

The first sentence of psychic focus:

If a Psyker generates all of his powers from the same psychic discipline (even if he can only generate one power), that Psyker is said to have Psychic Focus, and gains that discipline’s primaris power in addition to his other powers.

psychic focus by its own rules is not even granted until after you have generated powers.

**Laughingcarp**

Then what about Chaos Psychic Focus? Is that granted before or after generating powers?

**Fragile**

Laughingcarp wrote:
Then what about Chaos Psychic Focus? Is that granted before or after generating powers?

Does it matter?

**blaktoof**

Laughingcarp wrote:
Then what about Chaos Psychic Focus? Is that granted before or after generating powers?

doesn't matter towards the original question from OP

For example, Sarah has a Psyker in her army with a Mastery Level of 3 who knows powers from the Telepathy and Divination disciplines. The Psyker has no Mark of Chaos, nor is it a Daemon of a Chaos God. The Army List Entry does not specify that the Psyker knows any specific powers, so Sarah chooses the Telepathy discipline and rolls a D6. The result is a 3, thus generating Terrify. Sarah then chooses the Telepathy discipline again, rolling another 3. This is re-rolled, the result being a 1 this time, generating Dominate. However, Sarah chooses to swap Dominate for the Telepathy primaris power, Psychic Shriek. For her Psyker’s final randomly generated power, Sarah chooses to generate a power from the Divination discipline. She rolls a 6, thus generating the psychic power Scrier’s Gaze. As Sarah decided to generate psychic powers from more than one psychic discipline, she does not benefit from the Psychic Focus rule. Finally, Sarah’s Psyker is equipped with a force weapon, so her Psyker also knows Force.

From this exerpt they checked for chaos psychic focus before generating powers.

Chaos psychic focus is itself not generated but granted automatically by having the appropriate mark of being daemon of god x.

as

Psykers generate their psychic powers before the game begins.

chaos psychic focus is also granted before the game begins.

If during the course of the game, that Psyker gains a psychic power from a different psychic discipline, he immediately loses Psychic Focus (and the associated primaris power).

as psychic power generation happens before the game, and chaos focus happens before generating powers, you don't need to worry about the above for those regards as they did not gain those powers during the course of the game.

so if your question is because of that, then yes RAW you can have both psychic focus and chaos psychic focus if you follow certain guidelines.

ie be marked or daemon of X
generate all powers from 1 discipline

so in order

you get chaos psychic focus
your generated powers
and if your generated powers are all from the same discipline you get psychic focus
and potentially force.

**wtnind**

You cannot have chaos focus and psychic focus with a mark since the mark requires you to generate a power from your gods table

you can have chaos psychic focus and psychic focus if you are a 'daemon of X'

**blaktoof**

that is correct.

**Fragile**

Not quite. CSM Pskyers with Marks and CSM Daemons roll at least 1 and up to half the powers. A ML1 psyker will have both PF and CPF, which really does nothing.

**Happyjew**

Fragile wrote:
Not quite. CSM Pskyers with Marks and CSM Daemons roll at least 1 and up to half the powers. A ML1 psyker will have both PF and CPF, which really does nothing.

CSM Daemons don't have the limit of up to half, only the minimum of 1.

**Fragile**

If the Psyker has a Mark of Chaos, or is a Daemon of a particular Chaos God, they must roll at least one, and may roll up to half, of their powers on the table that corresponds to thei1 patron deitv.

pg 70.. What did I miss?

**Happyjew**

Fragile wrote:
If the Psyker has a Mark of Chaos, or is a Daemon of a particular Chaos God, they must roll at least one, and may roll up to half, of their powers on the table that corresponds to thei1 patron deitv.

pg 70.. What did I miss?

I didn't look at page 70, I looked at page 33 (Daemon Princes)

Some Daemon Princes are Psykers. If this upgrade is taken, they generate their powers from the X, Y and Z disciplines. If the Daemon Prince is upgraded to a Daemon of Tzeentch, Nurgle or Slaanesh, he must also select at least one power from the Tzeentch, Nurgle, or Slaanesh disciplines respectively.

**Fragile**

That appears to simply reinforce the rule on 70 though.