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I've decided to run stealth suits in my army simply because I love the fluff concept of them.The shas'vre will have a markerlight/targetlock, homing beacon, fusion blaster, and a vectored retro thruster. One will have a fusion blaster and target lock. One will have a burst cannon and drone controller. The remaining three will have burst cannons, and there will be two gun drones. Tips on how to get the most out of this squad?

Remove the retro thrusters, at I2 they are useless. I generally put stim ingectors on everybody. Infiltrate em or outflank em and pop transports with the fusion gun and gun down the passengers with the burst cannons

I don't know if the bitch out thrusters are entirely useless, given the 5+ save against being tar-pitted. Also, I hope you aren't doing that in the same shooting phase, because that is an illegal move. Target lock attacks happen at the same time as the rest of the units shooting, making that impossible.

Nope, they immediately disembark, then you may declare your second target. As for the retro thrusters, if you manage to get tarpitted you are doing it right, these guys are a distraction, and if they manage to catch up to you with an infantry tarpit you have misused this unit. Dont forget you have a thrust move!


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Oh yeah, bringing gun drones on stealth suits and a drone controller to buth them to bs3 is a waste.

Interesting idea, Advanced Targeting System on a Shas'vre with a Fusion Blaster for a Strength 8, AP 1 shot that you get to select the target for on a 5+ to hit. Put Target Locks on the Burst Cannon suits so they can engage something else.

Gun drones aren't a bad investment to stealth suits due to the similarity of weapon effects. To bad you can't take more than two, would be nice to buff the unit to T4.

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Nope, they immediately disembark, then you may declare your second target. As for the retro thrusters, if you manage to get tarpitted you are doing it right, these guys are a distraction, and if they manage to catch up to you with an infantry tarpit you have misused this unit. Dont forget you have a thrust move!


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Oh yeah, bringing gun drones on stealth suits and a drone controller to buth them to bs3 is a waste.

Sorry that is illegal. It got re-checked and hashed out at the drop of 7e. Been illegal and is still illegal. Check YMDC for why. It has been hashed over a lot. Short version is all targets declared, then you fire, happens before the disembark.

You are sinking alot of points in to the 'vre on this unit. ML+targetlock is an expensive trick, but it does let you get a second support system. Not sure the Homing beacon is worth it though.

As to getting the the most of out of it, run shadowsun. Four BC, Four FB, and SS gets 6 extra wounds thanks to auto passed LOS!.

You cannot split fire onto troops after you pop the transport sorry.

Dag nabbit, i was looking foward to doing that.

I would only run them w/ burst cannons, in cover, on an objective in my deployment zone.

Deep striking 3 with a single fusion and target lock in behind my marines has given my regular opponent success several times, the don't normally last too long but stopping one of my rhinos and then dakkaring a scout squad on an objective usually gets him some success

the thrusters aren't the worst idea, if you take drones Hit and Run is using the highest I of the unit.

Shelf.....

Honestly though since they cant take more than 2 max fusion guns, might as well go all out dakka with maxed gun drones and burst cannons. infiltrate them in behind something or near a board edge with Positional relay and or homing bacon.

Deepstriking suicide meltas are better with crisis suits. and with infinite cads, its not that big a deal to take a few single suits.

Another fun one I use against hordes is 3 suits, 2 drones and counterfire defense system. It lets you play real close in cover to tempt charges and overwatch at bs 2.

The difference from crisis suits is that anything but an ignores cover weapon is facing a 4+ to 2+ save, IF it has ap3, at no additional cost.The homing beacon means I can easily deploy my other deep strikers (riptide, crisis suits, crisis commander) within 6" without scatter. They turn deep-strike meltasuits into deepstrike no scatter meltasuits while bringing their own fusion blasters to the party. I'm looking for advice to use the squad as I have defined it on table to maximize effectiveness. Also, they aren't exactly a shelf model with the ability to infiltrate within blaster range before the game begins and utterly troll anything without rear armor better than 11 or serve as a fire soak/distraction. Furthermore they don't lose extra wounds when taking s8 hits like crisis suits, meaning s8 doesn't suddenly waste a huge chunk of points, albeit t3 making those mass wounds easier to get.

Problem is, even when you take into account the stealth/shroud combo granting easy 2+ cover saves, they still barely get as durable per point as crisis suits, just because crisis gets more wounds and toughness.
And they are far behind on firepower (2 bc stealths are 60, same firepower on crisis is 42)

I own them, I love them.
And I cant excuse to field them in anything but the most casual games when I'm practically gimping myself on purpose in order to give a new player a fighting chance.

The thing is that both come in squads and stealth suits effectively come with a shield generator. A crisis suit with a shield generator and burst cannon is 62 points, doesn't have infiltrate, and loses two wounds from the squad when hit with a strength 8 weapon. Infiltrate has a HUGE tactical advantage over deep striking.

Angry Rant: FOR THE LOVE OF THE EMPEROR I DIDN'T START THIS TO BE TOLD HOW BAD STEALTH SUITS ARE! MAYBE THREE PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO STAY ON TOPIC! I WANT TIPS ON HOW TO USE THE SQUAD DEFINED IN THE ORIGINAL POST, NOT ADVICE ON HOW TO BUILD THE SQUAD AND NOT TO BE TOLD TO SHELF SOMETHING I WANT TO USE BECAUSE I LIKE THE FLUFF AND AM NOT TRYING TO WIN AT ALL COSTS!!! THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATE THIS FORUM!

I am not sure what you expect of us, you would use the squad as you would any other Stealth Team. You'd stick them in cover around mid field with infiltrate (not deep strike), preferably near or on an objective, and make a nuisance of themselves. We don't have to tell you to stay away from assault/ignore cover and we don't have to tell you not to suicide the unit for a chance to blow up a Vehicle. Stay in cover, or close enough to be assured to Jetpack back in. The only advise we can give you is the option to take Shadow Sun, who makes the unit a bit more fluffy and fun to use while adding an extra 2 Fusion Blasters and a better jump move.

Is that what you wanted to hear?

Tips like that are what I had hoped for.