thenoobbomb wrote:
My scenario could also explain those robes: the original founders, having repainted their armor, still bore some EC heraldry (as decorations on their armor), so they wore robes over them - since then it has become somewhat of a tradition.

 Daggy-Chan wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
My scenario could also explain those robes: the original founders, having repainted their armor, still bore some EC heraldry (as decorations on their armor), so they wore robes over them - since then it has become somewhat of a tradition.

Wouldn't they create or be issued new armor?

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
I'll mess around with schemes for you. You just let me know what you like or don't like. How's this?

 Daggy-Chan wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
I'll mess around with schemes for you. You just let me know what you like or don't like. How's this?

It's a good scheme, but too close to the Alfa legion for comfort


Dont you think?

Perhaps you could try to mix just a /little/ bit of silver in there. I'm going to be painting these as miniatures eventually, and I want more than just two colors lol. When I get a tablet pretty soon, I can draw aswell since my drawing skills are pretty good as of late. I'd like to start drawing some pictures of these marines and publicizing them on DeviantArt or something

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Again, I apologize for the lack of vibrant silver but is this what you wanted?

 Daggy-Chan wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Again, I apologize for the lack of vibrant silver but is this what you wanted?

No worries Yes, that's good for now. Thank you for your help! Tell me, how do you do these color scheme pictures? Photoshop doesnt seem to work very well for me.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Daggy-Chan wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Again, I apologize for the lack of vibrant silver but is this what you wanted?

No worries Yes, that's good for now. Thank you for your help! Tell me, how do you do these color scheme pictures? Photoshop doesnt seem to work very well for me.

I use the Bolter and Chainsword painter. Though you may not always get the most luscious colors, it's still great for getting an overall idea on a color scheme before actually painting your models (if you need painting tips, I'll be happy to give some). Here's a link

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/smp.php

And you are very welcome!

 Daggy-Chan wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Daggy-Chan wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Again, I apologize for the lack of vibrant silver but is this what you wanted?

No worries Yes, that's good for now. Thank you for your help! Tell me, how do you do these color scheme pictures? Photoshop doesnt seem to work very well for me.

I use the Bolter and Chainsword painter. Though you may not always get the most luscious colors, it's still great for getting an overall idea on a color scheme before actually painting your models (if you need painting tips, I'll be happy to give some). Here's a link

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/smp.php

And you are very welcome!

What painting tips do you have besides "Thin your paints" or "Work on brush control"? Thats all I seem to find nowadays, what I really need is tips on how to highlight since I'm going to be doing black armor.

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I've decided to make very minor changes to your design. I How does this look?

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
You paint fantastically! Better than me, I could definitely use some practice though. I cant help but feel my existing Black Templar miniatures are lacking because of the lack of highlights, they looks like black abysses lol


i mean you cant see any detail

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
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Thank you, I may have an edge over you since I've been painting since I was 12 though. Went through many years of cold frustration to get to where I'm at and I'm not even a pro yet.

Do you prime them? I mean, it doesnt make the biggest difference in detail but it gives models (especially black models) a more vibrant look.

Just prime them and then give them a thin smooth layer of abaddon black. It does two things, reduces the chances of your models chipping in the future and give them more resplendence.

Then the detail layers, which is what a lot of people have issues with.

 Daggy-Chan wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
-snip-l

Thank you, I may have an edge over you since I've been painting since I was 12 though. Went through many years of cold frustration to get to where I'm at and I'm not even a pro yet.

Do you prime them? I mean, it doesnt make the biggest difference in detail but it gives models (especially black models) a more vibrant look.

Just prime them and then give them a thin smooth layer of abaddon black. It does two things, reduces the chances of your models chipping in the future and give them more resplendence.

Then the detail layers, which is what a lot of people have issues with.

I do prime them, I prime all, of my models black but I've been thinking of getting a gray primer.


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Oh boy, getting all of the kits and bits needed to make this army in miniature form is going to take alot of money and alot of saving up. Atleast with the bits and kits and gak I'm getting, I'll have extra parts in case I ever need them, right?

2x210 wrote:
If the only thing about DA you like is the robes I'd just take the robes and make up another reason for them. The hiding Emps Children thing sounds like a good idea, future marines wear robes to " hide" the shame of their former chapter. Whatever you do I'd suggest using instrument wielding marines as banner bearers shouldn't be to hard to make a flute or drum for a marine to use. Also you should use noise weapons as count as plasma or grav weapons, play up the EC connection a bit.

 Virus wrote:

2x210 wrote:
If the only thing about DA you like is the robes I'd just take the robes and make up another reason for them. The hiding Emps Children thing sounds like a good idea, future marines wear robes to " hide" the shame of their former chapter. Whatever you do I'd suggest using instrument wielding marines as banner bearers shouldn't be to hard to make a flute or drum for a marine to use. Also you should use noise weapons as count as plasma or grav weapons, play up the EC connection a bit.

Actually, I like the drum idea. OP could have the squad sergeants have a power maul, and a combat shield to represent a drum, and mallet. That would work well with the musical theme.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Hmmm let's see

Magna Knights
Corpse Bringers
Paladins of Ire
Ardent Avengers
Blood Clerics
Angels Vigilant
Gore Company
Mortis Brothers
Claws of Terra
Merciless Guardians
Pyre Guard
Baneful Brothers

And if these doesn't fit your chapter, try scrapping from each of them and at some of your own thoughts

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Warhammer Fantasy Marauders have drums, might find those bit on eBay.


Also, as for painting, I personally don't really highlight my Chaos Space Marines, nd I'm fairly happy with them (link in sig )

 Daggy-Chan wrote:

 Virus wrote:

2x210 wrote:
If the only thing about DA you like is the robes I'd just take the robes and make up another reason for them. The hiding Emps Children thing sounds like a good idea, future marines wear robes to " hide" the shame of their former chapter. Whatever you do I'd suggest using instrument wielding marines as banner bearers shouldn't be to hard to make a flute or drum for a marine to use. Also you should use noise weapons as count as plasma or grav weapons, play up the EC connection a bit.

Actually, I like the drum idea. OP could have the squad sergeants have a power maul, and a combat shield to represent a drum, and mallet. That would work well with the musical theme.

I like this idea alot! Hmmm. What bits could I use for drums or instruments, do you think?


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 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Hmmm let's see

Magna Knights
Corpse Bringers
Paladins of Ire
Ardent Avengers
Blood Clerics
Angels Vigilant
Gore Company
Mortis Brothers
Claws of Terra
Merciless Guardians
Pyre Guard
Baneful Brothers

And if these doesn't fit your chapter, try scrapping from each of them and at some of your own thoughts

In the naming department, you seem to be focusing alot of blood and gore and such for their name XD

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
So I'm making a Space Marine chapter. I've seen so many unique color schemes, so many unique chapters like the Lantern Marines, and it's all getting to me. I want

Spoiler:

to make my own chapter, and I want to give it as much lore and backstory as possible.

Sad part is, I'm not sure where to start...

If I'm correct, I should start with the visuals. You know, the color scheme, armor types, unique things about them, like how Dark Angels have robes, Lantern Marines have power lanterns on their back packs, etc.

What I have so far is minimal...

I wanted their colors to revolve around black, mostly. I don't want Black and White as that's Black Templar, or anything too close to the Alfa legion or lantern marines in case I'm called a thief, etc. I wanted something to be unique about them, I really like the idea of different colored eyes from the usual green or red, but again, I dont want anything /too/ close to other custom chapters. I also wanted them to wear Errant chest pieces on their more experienced Astartes, robes, and that really cool flat helmet from the Space Marine game that was sadly not given a name. You know, the one that had the Laurel on the head and had a flat face piece and gak.

If I'm correct again, I should then move onto the weapons and wargear and such, like customized weapons and all that jazz. I wanted them to use power weapons, like power swords and thunder hammers and such, but I wanted them to give their astartes a choice. Ranged or close-combat unit. Ranged would use Combi-bolters (if I'm using this word right) which would be bolters with an extension on the bottom (Like a grenade launcher on modern-day rifles) which I'm still deciding what it will be. Close-Combat units would use mostly power swords, shields, hammers and such.
A special unit that I thought would be an interesting concept was a marine who played music. I don't exactly have it worked out how this will happen, but I thought of something along the lines of one marine in a squad using the interface in his helmet if he has one, to tune his helmet's speakers and microphone (YKnow, the things they use to speak. I'd assume theres a mic and speaker in their helmets) to emulate an instrument like a flute, and the pitch of the instrument or tune, would come from the sound of the marine's breathing and war cries.

Again if I'm correct, I should move onto the traditions and more unique parts about them. Me and my boyfriend came up with some very rough ideas. I want this chapter to revolve around music a little bit (Just incase they fall to Chaos they go to Slaanesh ) So what we came up with was mostly inspired by Lantern Marines. They would sing during battles, sing and chant together, showing off their courage and to tell the enemy they weren't afraid. Their bolters, clanks of melee weaponry, booms of cannons and such would all be referred to as their "song of war". Basically, to them, the sound of their weapons all combined would form a song to them, a song of war, courage and righteousness.
Another tradition would revolve around the Adeptus Astartes' combat knives. I thought it would be really neat if their combat knives were less of weapons and more of ornaments. They would decorate their knives, forge sheathes and blades, handles and such, and put them onto their armor kind of as decoration, or badges.

Sounds simple to make a chapter, right? It's not exactly as easy as I thought. All of these ideas are rough ideas and subject to change, but why am I posting this here of all places?

Because I want help. I want Ideas, but it's not that simple. I think it would be cool if this could be a collaborative effort of multiple people. One person would come up with an idea on this threat, and hopefully someone else would comment on it and add or subtract from it, and I would judge which ideas I like best, or merge them. Sounds fun and cool, right?

So, Dakkanaughts and Battle Brothers, what are your ideas for this chapter? What criticisms do you have? Please go easy on me, my friends! I've never done this before. I'm new to Warhammer 40k's fluff and I thought this would be a good way to get me more in touch with the fluff and lore and such.

You can read up on Lantern Marines here: http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98844

so, what will it be, dakkanaughts?

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++INFORMATUS MINISCULI: ADEPTUS ASTARTES INSTIGATORII++

Instigators Chapter - - Tenth Founding - - Progenitor: VII Legion (Imperial Fists)
Crusading Chapter - Currently under-manned
Latest recordings indicate a clear deviation from Codex Astartes as an organisation. No detectable Veteran Company - same applies to the Scout Company and Reserve Companies. Speculations arise about a decentralised structure across the companies, each having their own reserves, veterans, and a responsibility of training new neophytes.
High level of Chaplains detected across the battlefield co-operation missions with the other military elements of the Imperium. The "Reclusiam Guard" formation accompanied the acting commander Chaplain. It seems as the Astartes are intensively doctrinated to their Chapter cult of strong faith and Primarch worship.
Combat doctrines bear suicidally fanatic defensive elements. Siege warfare, armoured support, and veteran spearheads visible in the majority of the campaigning methods.
Personal heraldry and honours visible in the form of prayers and seals adorned in the armour.
Chapter seems to have a lacking arsenal in general. No bikes or centurions detected in any encounter, neither a fully operational Mk VII power armour types. An unknown variant is used widely instead (possibly a local manufactorum variant) - resembling an iconic knightly helmet.

I shall proceed monitoring the Chapter for the possibility of traitor activity, as I press on with the more concerning matters in their subsector Galileias.
The hellspawns of the warp shall not take what rightfully belong to Him.

Ave Imperator.

++LOGIC ENGINE MESSAGE: ENTER SIGNATURE? Y++
++LOGIC ENGINE MESSAGE: SIGNED, INQUISITOR ARTHUR MARSK++
++END INFORMATUS++

 Tigramans wrote:

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
So I'm making a Space Marine chapter. I've seen so many unique color schemes, so many unique chapters like the Lantern Marines, and it's all getting to me. I want

Spoiler:

to make my own chapter, and I want to give it as much lore and backstory as possible.

Sad part is, I'm not sure where to start...

If I'm correct, I should start with the visuals. You know, the color scheme, armor types, unique things about them, like how Dark Angels have robes, Lantern Marines have power lanterns on their back packs, etc.

What I have so far is minimal...

I wanted their colors to revolve around black, mostly. I don't want Black and White as that's Black Templar, or anything too close to the Alfa legion or lantern marines in case I'm called a thief, etc. I wanted something to be unique about them, I really like the idea of different colored eyes from the usual green or red, but again, I dont want anything /too/ close to other custom chapters. I also wanted them to wear Errant chest pieces on their more experienced Astartes, robes, and that really cool flat helmet from the Space Marine game that was sadly not given a name. You know, the one that had the Laurel on the head and had a flat face piece and gak.

If I'm correct again, I should then move onto the weapons and wargear and such, like customized weapons and all that jazz. I wanted them to use power weapons, like power swords and thunder hammers and such, but I wanted them to give their astartes a choice. Ranged or close-combat unit. Ranged would use Combi-bolters (if I'm using this word right) which would be bolters with an extension on the bottom (Like a grenade launcher on modern-day rifles) which I'm still deciding what it will be. Close-Combat units would use mostly power swords, shields, hammers and such.
A special unit that I thought would be an interesting concept was a marine who played music. I don't exactly have it worked out how this will happen, but I thought of something along the lines of one marine in a squad using the interface in his helmet if he has one, to tune his helmet's speakers and microphone (YKnow, the things they use to speak. I'd assume theres a mic and speaker in their helmets) to emulate an instrument like a flute, and the pitch of the instrument or tune, would come from the sound of the marine's breathing and war cries.

Again if I'm correct, I should move onto the traditions and more unique parts about them. Me and my boyfriend came up with some very rough ideas. I want this chapter to revolve around music a little bit (Just incase they fall to Chaos they go to Slaanesh ) So what we came up with was mostly inspired by Lantern Marines. They would sing during battles, sing and chant together, showing off their courage and to tell the enemy they weren't afraid. Their bolters, clanks of melee weaponry, booms of cannons and such would all be referred to as their "song of war". Basically, to them, the sound of their weapons all combined would form a song to them, a song of war, courage and righteousness.
Another tradition would revolve around the Adeptus Astartes' combat knives. I thought it would be really neat if their combat knives were less of weapons and more of ornaments. They would decorate their knives, forge sheathes and blades, handles and such, and put them onto their armor kind of as decoration, or badges.

Sounds simple to make a chapter, right? It's not exactly as easy as I thought. All of these ideas are rough ideas and subject to change, but why am I posting this here of all places?

Because I want help. I want Ideas, but it's not that simple. I think it would be cool if this could be a collaborative effort of multiple people. One person would come up with an idea on this threat, and hopefully someone else would comment on it and add or subtract from it, and I would judge which ideas I like best, or merge them. Sounds fun and cool, right?

So, Dakkanaughts and Battle Brothers, what are your ideas for this chapter? What criticisms do you have? Please go easy on me, my friends! I've never done this before. I'm new to Warhammer 40k's fluff and I thought this would be a good way to get me more in touch with the fluff and lore and such.

You can read up on Lantern Marines here: http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98844

so, what will it be, dakkanaughts?

When I started this hobby a few years ago, I was in the same path as you are right now: creating something new and fresh, in the name of originality. I dislike copying or using already existing material in a setting which encourages creativity.
The colour scheme was a pain for me too, since there were many popular colours and colour combinations (like the classical primary colours - RGB, and black/white of course). When I went through my favourite colours (indigo/violet, orange and gold), it struck me instantly: there were very rare ORANGE coloured marines! Counting out the Lantern Marines, of course, but their dominant colour would seem to be more like black than orange itself. I noticed Lantern Marines a year later when I already had a bunch of orange dudes in my design table, but it didn't let me down, since the differences were notable.

Here's the reference sheet of my Chapter colour scheme (slight variances DO occur):

Spoiler:

++INFORMATUS MINISCULI: ADEPTUS ASTARTES INSTIGATORII++

Instigators Chapter - - Tenth Founding - - Progenitor: VII Legion (Imperial Fists)
Crusading Chapter - Currently under-manned
Latest recordings indicate a clear deviation from Codex Astartes as an organisation. No detectable Veteran Company - same applies to the Scout Company and Reserve Companies. Speculations arise about a decentralised structure across the companies, each having their own reserves, veterans, and a responsibility of training new neophytes.
High level of Chaplains detected across the battlefield co-operation missions with the other military elements of the Imperium. The "Reclusiam Guard" formation accompanied the acting commander Chaplain. It seems as the Astartes are intensively doctrinated to their Chapter cult of strong faith and Primarch worship.
Combat doctrines bear suicidally fanatic defensive elements. Siege warfare, armoured support, and veteran spearheads visible in the majority of the campaigning methods.
Personal heraldry and honours visible in the form of prayers and seals adorned in the armour.
Chapter seems to have a lacking arsenal in general. No bikes or centurions detected in any encounter, neither a fully operational Mk VII power armour types. An unknown variant is used widely instead (possibly a local manufactorum variant) - resembling an iconic knightly helmet.

I shall proceed monitoring the Chapter for the possibility of traitor activity, as I press on with the more concerning matters in their subsector Galileias.
The hellspawns of the warp shall not take what rightfully belong to Him.

Ave Imperator.

++LOGIC ENGINE MESSAGE: ENTER SIGNATURE? Y++
++LOGIC ENGINE MESSAGE: SIGNED, INQUISITOR ARTHUR MARSK++
++END INFORMATUS++

The Chapter's fluff is ever-evolving, and has already formed a basic backbone of general stuff what makes it stick out of others, and how it connects to the rest of the uncaring universe in the far future.
I highly recommend you to google Astartes Chapter generators, and other forums where people have been throwing this topic ball around for years. I don't mean that you'd pick and choose all desirable things mechanically that sound cool or "fit" to your Chapter, but as an example - a reference, if you will - to see, what the options look like without breaking away from the theme of 40K.

Your current design of the colour scheme looks promising. Even though black and white combination can be seen somewhere, this is a scheme I've never seen before. Keep it up!

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
I really enjoy your chapter from readign this However, Mine isn't black and white. The Bolter and Chainsword painter is just really bad at making a silver.