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 jasper76 wrote:
Decent rules or points for my damn lychguard.

Warlord trait and/or artifact that buffs RP.

Some kind of formations, apocalypse-based or otherwise.

Flayed ones need Shred. Just look at the models.

Cheap Canoptek troop choice.

I'm pretty happy with the rules as they are, all things considered.

Don't say it, they'll make the Res Orb an artifact. No, we won't get replacement wargear.

Not sure if trolling or...
Any Necrons can be female if you want: they're metal skeletons. Genderless. Hell, nothing stops you from having an all-female Necron army! What do you actually expect to see on a female Necron that's different to a male Necron?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Not sure if trolling or...
Any Necrons can be female if you want: they're metal skeletons. Genderless. Hell, nothing stops you from having an all-female Necron army! What do you actually expect to see on a female Necron that's different to a male Necron?

Skeletons are NOT gender-less.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

Spoiler:

Decent rules or points for my damn lychguard.

Warlord trait and/or artifact that buffs RP.

Some kind of formations, apocalypse-based or otherwise.

Flayed ones need Shred. Just look at the models.

Cheap Canoptek troop choice.

I'm pretty happy with the rules as they are, all things considered.

Don't say it, they'll make the Res Orb an artifact.

If they fumble that bad, I'm not going to make the upgrade.


I really think they need to tinker with the Doomsday Ark rules. Either keep it as is and make it cheaper, or else reduce the nerf that occurs when it moves (even if its just the distance).

Necrons are NOT skeletons. They are robots. They are empy metal hulls. They might look a bit like a skeleton, but they aren't skeletons. Not even close.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Necrons are NOT skeletons. They are robots. They are empy metal hulls. They might look a bit like a skeleton, but they aren't skeletons. Not even close.

I am utterly assured that when GW releases pictures or a model of that female overlord, she will have breasts for whatever reason.

1) Necrons need something to do in the psychic phase defensively. Let them make psychic tests harder for the enemy, peril more, or make an enemy unit unable to receive friendly psychic buffs. Obviously none of this should come free, it would require buying new units (pariahs!) or wargear. Now that there is a psychic phase every army should be able to participate on their own turn. Even Tau.

2) At least three new units.

3) Re-work some of the Necron advanced rules to be more clear and not conflict as much with other rules. Stop requiring base contact or having thing happen at the same time as other rules (e.g. challenges and MSS). I don't think any of them need to be nerfed or buffed, just adjusted to be implemented more straightforwardly. Death rays in particular need some work, but basically everything that made that giant FAQ necessary needs to be easier for opponents who might be unfamiliar with necrons to understand.

4) Flayed Ones need fearless. Anything else would require a point's cost increase. Even better would be a point cost decrease, along with -1 attack. Also make them troops.

5) Remove open-topped from the Triarch Stalker (and FW should remove it from the Tesseract Ark).

6) Let us choose wargear for named characters on top of what they come with. This would make them so much more usable.

7) Make destroyers jetbikes. Maybe a bit cheaper too.

8) Improvements (don't care how) to C'Tan shards, Lychguard, Tomb Blades, Triarch Praetorians, Doomsday Ark and the Monolith.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Necrons are NOT skeletons. They are robots. They are empy metal hulls. They might look a bit like a skeleton, but they aren't skeletons. Not even close.

I am utterly assured that when GW releases pictures or a model of that female overlord, she will have breasts for whatever reason.

Having a female-looking overlord would be the second worst-slowed thing GW could do. Like...really. They are soulless automatons but hey, why not slap some boobs on it...

So when an overlord was choosing their body, prior to the transfer to the metal form, you dont think a female necrontyr would maybe prefer a slightly feminine form - assuming their concept of feminine is the same as most of ours?

We don't know if their femals even had breasts or just nipples to begin with.

And I don't think there was much "choice" involved when The Deceiver worked his ways. After all, they gave up their very souls, so why would they even bother? They're nothings now, caught forever in a nigh-indestructible metal hull.

Then why do Lords etc get more "bling" than normal necrons? Status and rank clearly had some privileges when it came to choosing your shell to "live" in, so why not an expression of your previous gender?

While we dont know they had anthro female forms, the other race with known females - Eldar - do have breasts, so no reason to believe this common convergent evolution wouldnt redenr the same solution to suckling.

The codex itself tells us that the Phaerons, Overlords and Crypteks had better bodies. From page 8 of Codex Necrons:

Thus, as was ever the case, the very finest bodies went to the individuals of high rank: the Phaerons and Overlords, their Crypteks and nemesors. For the professional soldiery, the merely adequate was deemed appropriate. As for the common people, they received what remained: comparatively crude bodies that were little more than lobotomised prisons.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Then why do Lords etc get more "bling" than normal necrons? Status and rank clearly had some privileges when it came to choosing your shell to "live" in, so why not an expression of your previous gender?

Ranks matter in a new race that is purely intended to be used as weapons in a war. Gender does not. The C'tan made the Necrons to get minions, not followers. Necron Lords serve as generals and energy foci for the rest of the army. The C'tan only have them because they serve a function. Why would they let there be genders or other differences? They don't need to appease them, the Necrontyr are dead, extinct. The Necrons are a new race, however, at the same time, they are nothing but a tool.

The Necrontyr (specifically Illuminor Szeras) designed their metal bodies, and they had to agree to the process in the first place, so they definitely would have had some aesthetic input. They were not fully under control until after the biotransference.

I certainly wouldn't want to see standard human gender differences introduced into the robotic bodies of an utterly alien race though.

Tekron wrote:
The Necrontyr (specifically Illuminor Szeras) designed their metal bodies, and they had to agree to the process in the first place, so they definitely would have had some aesthetic input. They were not fully under control until after the biotransference.

I certainly wouldn't want to see standard human gender differences introduced into the robotic bodies of an utterly alien race though.

I agree with this.

We don't even know what the Necrotyr even LOOKED like, let alone if they had visible sexual dimorphism to begin with.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Not sure if trolling or...
Any Necrons can be female if you want: they're metal skeletons. Genderless. Hell, nothing stops you from having an all-female Necron army! What do you actually expect to see on a female Necron that's different to a male Necron?

Skeletons are NOT gender-less.

They can be if they belong to Xenos. They aren't required to follow human anatomy.

Is there anything to even indicate the Necrontyr even had genders? Orks don't have genders after all.

One of the BL novels has a Necron comment that Humans remind him of the Times of Flesh, and he finds it ironic that they appear so similar.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Is there anything to even indicate the Necrontyr even had genders? Orks don't have genders after all.

The Maynarkh dynasty from IA12 is ruled by Phaerakh Xun'bakyr, a female Necron overlord. She does not have a model or rules though.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
So when an overlord was choosing their body, prior to the transfer to the metal form, you dont think a female necrontyr would maybe prefer a slightly feminine form - assuming their concept of feminine is the same as most of ours?

The male overlords do not have dicks, so a female overlord should not have breasts or anything either.

 Ashiraya wrote:
The male overlords do not have dicks, so a female overlord should not have breasts or anything either.

B-but, what about the slightly more rounded pelvis?

Surely that alone justifies remodeling the entire faction!

The only thing I care about regarding the Necrons is Mindshackle scarabs.

I hope they get nerfed into the fething ground so that they're not auto-win for challenges anymore. All they really need is to be changed to going at initiative instead of initiative 11, then they'll be fine.

Or at the very least, change it to just a standard leadership test rather than the ridiculous 3d6 nonsense.

MSS have a roughly 50% chance against LD 10 right now. Regular LD would make them completely useless.

 Sigvatr wrote:
MSS have a roughly 50% chance against LD 10 right now. Regular LD would make them completely useless.

Do you think it would be wise to start a new thread called: "How to play MSS correctly so you stop whining about it being overpowered!" ?
Especially with some focus on being the active player and picking which to resolve first?

Nah. Good players know how to play around them, bad players won't read the thread anyway, but rather deny it

MSS are an awesome piece of war gear, hands down, but since you must tell your opponent whether you got it equipped or not, you can play around it. IC in units are safe (not going B2B, just stay 2'' behind another model and let the challenges be accepted by a lesser character), MC cannot "evade" a challenge but

a) Why do you send a single MC against an (Over)lord?

b) It's a 50% chance vs. LD 10.

 Sigvatr wrote:
MSS have a roughly 50% chance against LD 10 right now. Regular LD would make them completely useless.

Average roll on a 3d6 is 11, so they pass against Ld10 on average, and do even better going down from there. On a regular leadership test they'd be going through around 40% of the time.

A good player would know how to play around that to not make them useless.

Like, why are you sending your overlord against a Hive Tyrant?

Also, why do you think it's balanced for a 15 point piece of wargear to make a 200 point MC completely helpless in a challenge?

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
MSS have a roughly 50% chance against LD 10 right now. Regular LD would make them completely useless.

Average roll on a 3d6 is 11, so they pass against Ld10 on average, and do even better going down from there. On a regular leadership test they'd be going through around 40% of the time.

A good player would know how to play around that to not make them useless.

Like, why are you sending your overlord against a Hive Tyrant?

Also, why do you think it's balanced for a 15 point piece of wargear to make a 200 point MC completely helpless in a challenge?

Because without it, my 175 point IC sits there at I2, letting everything smash on his T5 body.

Get rid of that I2, at an army wide level, and there isn't a need for MSS.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Like, why are you sending your overlord against a Hive Tyrant?

Also, why do you think it's balanced for a 15 point piece of wargear to make a 200 point MC completely helpless in a challenge?

An Overlord can easily be 200 points too, and unlike the Hive Tyrant (which is a psyker, can fly, can shoot and can cc depending on load out) is essentially cc-only.

Without MSS the expensive Necron cc HQ would get annihilated in cc. Overlords would need huge buffs if MSS got nerfed.

I was more thinking of MSS activation before the challenge, seems most people don't know how that works.

 BlaxicanX wrote:


Also, why do you think it's balanced for a 15 point piece of wargear to make a 200 point MC completely helpless in a challenge?

First of all, as pointed out above, MSS are far away from rendering anything useless in a combat as it's not a 100% chance.

Secondly, you are willingly throwing a melee model against a model you know that has a good chance of winning against it in combat. Your mistake.

Thirdly, the "15 pts" are on a model that costs, at the very least, 135 pts. Realistically, you're looking at a model that costs 150-200 points. An infantry model that has I2 and T5. Woop.

Fourthly, you can completely negate MSS by charging the Overlord in your own Assault phase. Why didn't you?