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Where does everyone get the "Chaos dies if Humanity dies." The ONLY thing EVER stated about being able to kill the Gods was that Horus, using his powers would kill them in a guilt driven rage (and given his new powers, it might be possible.) and this was by the Cabal, who have already been proven wrong about several of their prophecies. In fact, according to the Cabal, The Materium will be consumed if Chaos didn't die during the Horus Heresy.

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Chaos is caused by emotion. If all sentient life suddenly disappeared, it would cut the proverbial fuel supply. Chaos would endure for awhile, eating its own reserves, but eventually the warp would become tranquil in time, and all its entities dissolve away.

But yeah, that's not likely to happen. It's just a specious as the idea that the tyranid will destroy all life in the galaxy instead of hitting the peak biomass wall and then slowly starving to death before the universe is picked clean.


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 Ailaros wrote:

But yeah, that's not likely to happen. It's just a specious as the idea that the tyranid will destroy all life in the galaxy instead of hitting the peak biomass wall and then slowly starving to death before the universe is picked clean.


How long does it take a galaxy to repopulate? How any galaxies are there?

It's quite possible that the Tyranids could swim around the universe in a giant circle chomping galaxies, and by the time they get back to where they started so much time has passed that the stars have produced new worlds and new life...
   
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Veteran of The Long War wrote: The ONLY thing EVER stated about being able to kill the Gods was that Horus, using his powers would kill them in a guilt driven rage (and given his new powers, it might be possible.)

As I recall Horus was not said to be a direct threat to the Ruinous Powers. The Cabal said that if he defeated the Emperor he would end up turning on the whole of humanity due to guilt. He would exterminate humanity and in doing so destroy the Ruinous Powers. Which would make no sense from what we know of the Ruinous Powers. It's either a lie by the Cabal or the authors adding something entirely new (that the Ruinous Powers are so dependent on humans that if you destroyed humanity quickly enough it would result in some sort of feedback that harmed the Ruinous Powers).

However,the Emperor was a threat to to the Ruinous Powers. If I recall correctly in Visions of Heresy it was stated that the Emperor's Psychic might was devastating the Realms of Chaos.
 Ailaros wrote:
Chaos is caused by emotion. If all sentient life suddenly disappeared, it would cut the proverbial fuel supply. Chaos would endure for awhile, eating its own reserves, but eventually the warp would become tranquil in time, and all its entities dissolve away.

Time has no meaning in the Warp though. The Ruinous Powers have never existed and have always existed. They might wane in power but they would never die.
   
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Time has no meaning in the Warp though. The Ruinous Powers have never existed and have always existed. They might wane in power but they would never die.


And yet Daemons can suffer "true death" and cease to exist forever. If such a thing is possible then nothing in the Warp, in theory, is truly eternal.
   
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And slaanesh went from not existing to existing.

The warp isn't timeless. Time just acts strangely there.


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Well to Chaos Slaanesh has always existed and not existed so.....

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So is a Machine Spirit a form of soul or an allegory for computer systems? And why can't daemons infect Necrons? Is it because you may not need a soul but you need a connection to the warp?


There is nothing saying that a Necron cannot be possessed by a Daemon. The Tomb Complexes, however, are absolutely covered in anti-Warp technologies. There is a good reason for that.

It is noted, in Codex: Necrons, that all the dimension-hopping and hyper-phasic technologies of the Necrons are of no hindrance to daemons, who can pursue even Deathmark Assassins into the spaces between dimensions, finding these places "new flavors of reality to corrupt".


That leaves more questions than it answers and I have always wondered what separates Necron technology vs. everyone else's machines. For the Eldar, that is a bit easier but for the Imperium, not so much. I understand that Necron machines have the capacity to be possessed now but then what makes them the essential anti-warp of the 40k universe? What makes all those things anti-warp and basically, what do they understand that everyone else doesn't? The Imperium sort of caught on with starting to use everyone with the Pariah gene (I wish they would bring that unit back for the Necrons, it made them more insidious with being able to mutate the genes of humans for there own designs) but they haven't figured out why they are like that or how they might make technology to utilize the same effect but the Necrons have.

 
   
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Xyptc wrote:
 Ailaros wrote:

But yeah, that's not likely to happen. It's just a specious as the idea that the tyranid will destroy all life in the galaxy instead of hitting the peak biomass wall and then slowly starving to death before the universe is picked clean.


How long does it take a galaxy to repopulate? How any galaxies are there?

It's quite possible that the Tyranids could swim around the universe in a giant circle chomping galaxies, and by the time they get back to where they started so much time has passed that the stars have produced new worlds and new life...

There is an old short story about that, that the Tyranids are so vast and so old that even if they are defeated in the Milky Way, the majority of the Tyranid race will no care.


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 Ciciro wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
The threat of chaos isn't in its armies, its witches, or even its daemons.

The threat of chaos is that it is in normal people, every citizen of the Imperium. Chaos will win, because it will chip away at law until there is nothing left. You cannot defeat chaos, you cannot obliterate it. Even if you eliminate every chaos worshipper alive, more will simply appear.

Unless the nids when. Cant really have any chaos worshipers when there are no living things in the galaxy.


They won't. What will crush the 'Nids is a splinter-Fleet encountering a Daemon World, where the fleet's Shadow is insufficient to quell the daemons' ability to move through the Warp. Then, you get daemonically-possessed Tyranids (you think you need a soul to be possessed? You do not.) which then feeds back to the Hive Ships, corrupting *them*, and then it introduces a new concept to the collective Hive Mind of all Tyranids: Madness.

The Hive Fleets will turn on each other, desperate to eradicate this entirely new, and utterly terrifying, infection growing amongst its bio-forms: Sentience. And with Sentience comes Choice, and with Choice comes Chaos.


The Hive Mind knows that it can't eat daemonic stuff, so Daemon Worlds are going to be ignored. Plus eating corrupted Space Marines hadn't affected the Tyranids.

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 Ciciro wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
The threat of chaos isn't in its armies, its witches, or even its daemons.

The threat of chaos is that it is in normal people, every citizen of the Imperium. Chaos will win, because it will chip away at law until there is nothing left. You cannot defeat chaos, you cannot obliterate it. Even if you eliminate every chaos worshipper alive, more will simply appear.

Unless the nids when. Cant really have any chaos worshipers when there are no living things in the galaxy.


Chaos has innumerable daemon worlds within the warp with human populations on them, not to mention that should the GEOM kick it (which is necessary for the Tyranids to wipe out the galaxy, which is also unlikely), the galaxy/universe is devoured and the materium becomes the immaterium. Then there's other stuff, like daemons being able to possess and blow up stars.


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 Ailaros wrote:
And slaanesh went from not existing to existing.

The warp isn't timeless. Time just acts strangely there.



And Slaanesh has always existed. The warp ignores causality.

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 Ailaros wrote:
And slaanesh went from not existing to existing.

The warp isn't timeless. Time just acts strangely there.



And the very second that Slaanesh was born, S/He had always existed.

It is better to think of it as simply a passing of the crown from one sentience to another, who then takes on the mantle of the previous sentiences. There has always been, and will always be, a Chaos God of Pleasure, Vice and Perversion. Currently, it is called Slaanesh. Previously, it was called something else, perhaps spoken of by tongues the human mind cannot comprehend, but the Prince has always been, and will always be, and now the Warp Sentience that has taken on the mantle from that being is called Slaanesh. At some point in the future, it will pass on to some other being, but pleasure, vice and perversion have always been and always will be.

Very Lovecraftian, in a sense. "That which was, shall be. They dwelled where Man now dwells, ruled where Man now rules, ere Man arose from oceans primordial, and when the stars come right again, They shall rule once more." and that sort of thing.

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Ailaros wrote:And slaanesh went from not existing to existing.

The warp isn't timeless. Time just acts strangely there.




Very.

Slaanesh not only went from not existing to existing, Slaanesh engineered his own birth by inspiring the pleasure-cults of the Eldar!

I expect it made him feel quite Tzeentchian at the time.

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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Ailaros wrote:And slaanesh went from not existing to existing.

The warp isn't timeless. Time just acts strangely there.




Very.

Slaanesh not only went from not existing to existing, Slaanesh engineered his own birth by inspiring the pleasure-cults of the Eldar!

I expect it made him feel quite Tzeentchian at the time.


Perhaps that's why Tzeentch gets along most with Slaanesh of the three other gods?

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 StarTrotter wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
Ailaros wrote:And slaanesh went from not existing to existing.

The warp isn't timeless. Time just acts strangely there.




Very.

Slaanesh not only went from not existing to existing, Slaanesh engineered his own birth by inspiring the pleasure-cults of the Eldar!

I expect it made him feel quite Tzeentchian at the time.


Perhaps that's why Tzeentch gets along most with Slaanesh of the three other gods?

Well when you consider the other options he has...
   
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 Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
The threat of chaos isn't in its armies, its witches, or even its daemons.

The threat of chaos is that it is in normal people, every citizen of the Imperium. Chaos will win, because it will chip away at law until there is nothing left. You cannot defeat chaos, you cannot obliterate it. Even if you eliminate every chaos worshipper alive, more will simply appear.


Negative Ghost Rider, the irony of Chaos is just that, it needs the Imperium as much as the Imperium needs the warp. It's why a lot of Inquisitors like Eisenhorn protect the status quo instead of having the idea of wiping Chaos out as well as that being an impossible task. If Chaos were to win, then it would see the prophecy foretold to the Alpha Legion where Chaos would consume itself and thus destroy itself. To me the most ironic thing is that a balance must be kept for both to exist. If this balance it tipped significantly then it is mutual destruction of both sides. There are only two factions who would thus benefit from this: Tyranids to consume what is left or the Necrons to have finally destroyed the denizens of the warp to secure the galaxy for themselves.

The warp and thus Chaos are the culmination of the emotions of warp connected species, it's how the Chaos gods exist, Gork and Mork rage their eternal battle, how the Eldar had an extended panatheon of gods and goddesses and how we saw the rise of the Emperor into a god. These species need the warp in order to survive. The Eldar recognized that Chaos was needed to balance things but when they lost their focus, and embraced a hedonistic lifestyle, boom you birth a new god so now they strive even harder to keep this balance.

Chaos uses these species like a battery and to corrupt them all would eventually lead to destruction of themselves so they need the Eldar, the Inquisition, the Grey Knights, Space Marines and other forces of "order" to keep them reigned in whether they like it or not, same as these forces need to see that a little bit of Chaos is needed for the survival of all warp based species.

That is the grand irony of this entire setting.


... and yet, there is another way, put into place by the Old Ones.

The orks, if united and led, could wipe the floor with any faction in the 'verse... and over time, with all of them. The orks lack a control mechanism, and there is one faction in 40k that is still developing technologically. That faction also does not power the Warp strongly... if they win, Chaos dies its slow death all the same.

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 EmpNortonII wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
The threat of chaos isn't in its armies, its witches, or even its daemons.

The threat of chaos is that it is in normal people, every citizen of the Imperium. Chaos will win, because it will chip away at law until there is nothing left. You cannot defeat chaos, you cannot obliterate it. Even if you eliminate every chaos worshipper alive, more will simply appear.


Negative Ghost Rider, the irony of Chaos is just that, it needs the Imperium as much as the Imperium needs the warp. It's why a lot of Inquisitors like Eisenhorn protect the status quo instead of having the idea of wiping Chaos out as well as that being an impossible task. If Chaos were to win, then it would see the prophecy foretold to the Alpha Legion where Chaos would consume itself and thus destroy itself. To me the most ironic thing is that a balance must be kept for both to exist. If this balance it tipped significantly then it is mutual destruction of both sides. There are only two factions who would thus benefit from this: Tyranids to consume what is left or the Necrons to have finally destroyed the denizens of the warp to secure the galaxy for themselves.

The warp and thus Chaos are the culmination of the emotions of warp connected species, it's how the Chaos gods exist, Gork and Mork rage their eternal battle, how the Eldar had an extended panatheon of gods and goddesses and how we saw the rise of the Emperor into a god. These species need the warp in order to survive. The Eldar recognized that Chaos was needed to balance things but when they lost their focus, and embraced a hedonistic lifestyle, boom you birth a new god so now they strive even harder to keep this balance.

Chaos uses these species like a battery and to corrupt them all would eventually lead to destruction of themselves so they need the Eldar, the Inquisition, the Grey Knights, Space Marines and other forces of "order" to keep them reigned in whether they like it or not, same as these forces need to see that a little bit of Chaos is needed for the survival of all warp based species.

That is the grand irony of this entire setting.


... and yet, there is another way, put into place by the Old Ones.

The orks, if united and led, could wipe the floor with any faction in the 'verse... and over time, with all of them. The orks lack a control mechanism, and there is one faction in 40k that is still developing technologically. That faction also does not power the Warp strongly... if they win, Chaos dies its slow death all the same.


Except Chaos cannot be destroyed, and there is nothing pointing to any known method of doing so. They maintain food in the warp via daemon worlds, and it's unknown if the destruction of humanity would even have a lethal affect on them due to Chaos and the Warp not giving a damn about causality. They've always existed yet never existed, they're Schrodinger in nature.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 EmpNortonII wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
The threat of chaos isn't in its armies, its witches, or even its daemons.

The threat of chaos is that it is in normal people, every citizen of the Imperium. Chaos will win, because it will chip away at law until there is nothing left. You cannot defeat chaos, you cannot obliterate it. Even if you eliminate every chaos worshipper alive, more will simply appear.


Negative Ghost Rider, the irony of Chaos is just that, it needs the Imperium as much as the Imperium needs the warp. It's why a lot of Inquisitors like Eisenhorn protect the status quo instead of having the idea of wiping Chaos out as well as that being an impossible task. If Chaos were to win, then it would see the prophecy foretold to the Alpha Legion where Chaos would consume itself and thus destroy itself. To me the most ironic thing is that a balance must be kept for both to exist. If this balance it tipped significantly then it is mutual destruction of both sides. There are only two factions who would thus benefit from this: Tyranids to consume what is left or the Necrons to have finally destroyed the denizens of the warp to secure the galaxy for themselves.

The warp and thus Chaos are the culmination of the emotions of warp connected species, it's how the Chaos gods exist, Gork and Mork rage their eternal battle, how the Eldar had an extended panatheon of gods and goddesses and how we saw the rise of the Emperor into a god. These species need the warp in order to survive. The Eldar recognized that Chaos was needed to balance things but when they lost their focus, and embraced a hedonistic lifestyle, boom you birth a new god so now they strive even harder to keep this balance.

Chaos uses these species like a battery and to corrupt them all would eventually lead to destruction of themselves so they need the Eldar, the Inquisition, the Grey Knights, Space Marines and other forces of "order" to keep them reigned in whether they like it or not, same as these forces need to see that a little bit of Chaos is needed for the survival of all warp based species.

That is the grand irony of this entire setting.


... and yet, there is another way, put into place by the Old Ones.

The orks, if united and led, could wipe the floor with any faction in the 'verse... and over time, with all of them. The orks lack a control mechanism, and there is one faction in 40k that is still developing technologically. That faction also does not power the Warp strongly... if they win, Chaos dies its slow death all the same.


Except Chaos cannot be destroyed, and there is nothing pointing to any known method of doing so. They maintain food in the warp via daemon worlds, and it's unknown if the destruction of humanity would even have a lethal affect on them due to Chaos and the Warp not giving a damn about causality. They've always existed yet never existed, they're Schrodinger in nature.


Chaos doesn't need to be destroyed- only rendered impotent, which is what it'd be if all it had to feed on was the Tau and Orks.

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 EmpNortonII wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 EmpNortonII wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
The threat of chaos isn't in its armies, its witches, or even its daemons.

The threat of chaos is that it is in normal people, every citizen of the Imperium. Chaos will win, because it will chip away at law until there is nothing left. You cannot defeat chaos, you cannot obliterate it. Even if you eliminate every chaos worshipper alive, more will simply appear.


Negative Ghost Rider, the irony of Chaos is just that, it needs the Imperium as much as the Imperium needs the warp. It's why a lot of Inquisitors like Eisenhorn protect the status quo instead of having the idea of wiping Chaos out as well as that being an impossible task. If Chaos were to win, then it would see the prophecy foretold to the Alpha Legion where Chaos would consume itself and thus destroy itself. To me the most ironic thing is that a balance must be kept for both to exist. If this balance it tipped significantly then it is mutual destruction of both sides. There are only two factions who would thus benefit from this: Tyranids to consume what is left or the Necrons to have finally destroyed the denizens of the warp to secure the galaxy for themselves.

The warp and thus Chaos are the culmination of the emotions of warp connected species, it's how the Chaos gods exist, Gork and Mork rage their eternal battle, how the Eldar had an extended panatheon of gods and goddesses and how we saw the rise of the Emperor into a god. These species need the warp in order to survive. The Eldar recognized that Chaos was needed to balance things but when they lost their focus, and embraced a hedonistic lifestyle, boom you birth a new god so now they strive even harder to keep this balance.

Chaos uses these species like a battery and to corrupt them all would eventually lead to destruction of themselves so they need the Eldar, the Inquisition, the Grey Knights, Space Marines and other forces of "order" to keep them reigned in whether they like it or not, same as these forces need to see that a little bit of Chaos is needed for the survival of all warp based species.

That is the grand irony of this entire setting.


... and yet, there is another way, put into place by the Old Ones.

The orks, if united and led, could wipe the floor with any faction in the 'verse... and over time, with all of them. The orks lack a control mechanism, and there is one faction in 40k that is still developing technologically. That faction also does not power the Warp strongly... if they win, Chaos dies its slow death all the same.


Except Chaos cannot be destroyed, and there is nothing pointing to any known method of doing so. They maintain food in the warp via daemon worlds, and it's unknown if the destruction of humanity would even have a lethal affect on them due to Chaos and the Warp not giving a damn about causality. They've always existed yet never existed, they're Schrodinger in nature.


Chaos doesn't need to be destroyed- only rendered impotent, which is what it'd be if all it had to feed on was the Tau and Orks.


Don't argue chaos, it really is a bs army. Justl ike about every army. SM really should be basically worthless considering how few there are and shouldn't be able to do the OTT stuff they are portrayed to do. IG are driving in tractors and take forever to reach points and their rules basically would kill all the guardsman if followed to a tee. Tau live off of massive plot armor of hey warp storm hey have somehow had no problems with psykers and just everything seems to largely avoid them. Necrons are lolwehavewaystokillgodsandblowupALLTHESTARS!

Chaos's way of bs is we are immortal but not because you can kill us but not really and like Slaanesh was born but Slaanesh basically created him/herself by sending a herald of slaanesh/keeper of secrets into the past disguised to bring up pleasure cults to birth itself. In some fluff it is said to be immortal in other fluff it is like but needs life and will wax and wane based on reality and vice versa.

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 StarTrotter wrote:
 EmpNortonII wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 EmpNortonII wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
The threat of chaos isn't in its armies, its witches, or even its daemons.

The threat of chaos is that it is in normal people, every citizen of the Imperium. Chaos will win, because it will chip away at law until there is nothing left. You cannot defeat chaos, you cannot obliterate it. Even if you eliminate every chaos worshipper alive, more will simply appear.


Negative Ghost Rider, the irony of Chaos is just that, it needs the Imperium as much as the Imperium needs the warp. It's why a lot of Inquisitors like Eisenhorn protect the status quo instead of having the idea of wiping Chaos out as well as that being an impossible task. If Chaos were to win, then it would see the prophecy foretold to the Alpha Legion where Chaos would consume itself and thus destroy itself. To me the most ironic thing is that a balance must be kept for both to exist. If this balance it tipped significantly then it is mutual destruction of both sides. There are only two factions who would thus benefit from this: Tyranids to consume what is left or the Necrons to have finally destroyed the denizens of the warp to secure the galaxy for themselves.

The warp and thus Chaos are the culmination of the emotions of warp connected species, it's how the Chaos gods exist, Gork and Mork rage their eternal battle, how the Eldar had an extended panatheon of gods and goddesses and how we saw the rise of the Emperor into a god. These species need the warp in order to survive. The Eldar recognized that Chaos was needed to balance things but when they lost their focus, and embraced a hedonistic lifestyle, boom you birth a new god so now they strive even harder to keep this balance.

Chaos uses these species like a battery and to corrupt them all would eventually lead to destruction of themselves so they need the Eldar, the Inquisition, the Grey Knights, Space Marines and other forces of "order" to keep them reigned in whether they like it or not, same as these forces need to see that a little bit of Chaos is needed for the survival of all warp based species.

That is the grand irony of this entire setting.


... and yet, there is another way, put into place by the Old Ones.

The orks, if united and led, could wipe the floor with any faction in the 'verse... and over time, with all of them. The orks lack a control mechanism, and there is one faction in 40k that is still developing technologically. That faction also does not power the Warp strongly... if they win, Chaos dies its slow death all the same.


Except Chaos cannot be destroyed, and there is nothing pointing to any known method of doing so. They maintain food in the warp via daemon worlds, and it's unknown if the destruction of humanity would even have a lethal affect on them due to Chaos and the Warp not giving a damn about causality. They've always existed yet never existed, they're Schrodinger in nature.


Chaos doesn't need to be destroyed- only rendered impotent, which is what it'd be if all it had to feed on was the Tau and Orks.


Don't argue chaos, it really is a bs army. Justl ike about every army. SM really should be basically worthless considering how few there are and shouldn't be able to do the OTT stuff they are portrayed to do. IG are driving in tractors and take forever to reach points and their rules basically would kill all the guardsman if followed to a tee. Tau live off of massive plot armor of hey warp storm hey have somehow had no problems with psykers and just everything seems to largely avoid them. Necrons are lolwehavewaystokillgodsandblowupALLTHESTARS!

Chaos's way of bs is we are immortal but not because you can kill us but not really and like Slaanesh was born but Slaanesh basically created him/herself by sending a herald of slaanesh/keeper of secrets into the past disguised to bring up pleasure cults to birth itself. In some fluff it is said to be immortal in other fluff it is like but needs life and will wax and wane based on reality and vice versa.


Everything avoids Tau because they are a wee tiny corner of a big huge galaxy. SMs don't save every world- hundreds of worlds fall to the enemies of humanity every year. IG die like flies in every sector.

Necrons are pretty goofy, though. Seriously- it's hard to take them seriously after they were conned into becoming robots.

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"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."

"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."

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If I would put into a faction that wasn't the Imperium or the Eldar, it would be the Necrons. I play GK because I like being the anathema of Chaos. Eldar are next on that list and then Necrons although, I don't know why I haven't converted to Necrons because they represent the Galaxy's best chance to rid the galaxy of Chaos with their warp sealing technology. Now they just need to stop in-fighting so much, unit and use the Dolmen Gates to start this process.

But that is the boon of 40k now isn't it? There isn't a force without it's major flaws so we just gravitate to what we like.

 
   
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 Envihon wrote:
If I would put into a faction that wasn't the Imperium or the Eldar, it would be the Necrons. I play GK because I like being the anathema of Chaos. Eldar are next on that list and then Necrons although, I don't know why I haven't converted to Necrons because they represent the Galaxy's best chance to rid the galaxy of Chaos with their warp sealing technology. Now they just need to stop in-fighting so much, unit and use the Dolmen Gates to start this process.

But that is the boon of 40k now isn't it? There isn't a force without it's major flaws so we just gravitate to what we like.

I disagree, neither GK and Eldar really are anathema to Chaos as they are mortals that feed Chaos (anything with soul and emotion does). The real anathema of Chaos are Necrons and Tyranids, both lack souls so they don't feed Chaos, and both have stuff that cuts the Warp from real space.
   
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 Furyou Miko wrote:
The threat of chaos isn't in its armies, its witches, or even its daemons.

The threat of chaos is that it is in normal people, every citizen of the Imperium. Chaos will win, because it will chip away at law until there is nothing left. You cannot defeat chaos, you cannot obliterate it. Even if you eliminate every chaos worshipper alive, more will simply appear.


Chaos and and order cannot win. These two things are diametrically opposed to one another, so much so that we would not be able to identify one if there was not the other. They are as i like to call them comparative opposites. Their being and existence lies within the other. Without one there is neither.

Chaos itself is the corruption of order and the dissolution of it. Order is purity and consistency in the face of randomness and corruption.

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 Tyran wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
If I would put into a faction that wasn't the Imperium or the Eldar, it would be the Necrons. I play GK because I like being the anathema of Chaos. Eldar are next on that list and then Necrons although, I don't know why I haven't converted to Necrons because they represent the Galaxy's best chance to rid the galaxy of Chaos with their warp sealing technology. Now they just need to stop in-fighting so much, unit and use the Dolmen Gates to start this process.

But that is the boon of 40k now isn't it? There isn't a force without it's major flaws so we just gravitate to what we like.

I disagree, neither GK and Eldar really are anathema to Chaos as they are mortals that feed Chaos (anything with soul and emotion does). The real anathema of Chaos are Necrons and Tyranids, both lack souls so they don't feed Chaos, and both have stuff that cuts the Warp from real space.


They are anathema to Chaos, just not to the warp. Chaos just uses the power of the warp and can harness it without fear of consequence because they don't care, any boon from the warp is worthy to be celebrated while forces of "Order" like the Eldar and the Imperium have to enact certain restraint when directly using the powers of the warp because things might go wrong. You can still use the powers of the warp to make yourself an anathema to Chaos by converting those energies to burn them instead like the GK do and some Eldar Farseers have been shown to do. The Eldar through huge amounts of generations have been shown to be able to create psychic energy to literally burn Chaos but this is what Farseers do and they are the most powerful psychics of their race. Other portions of the race, you are right about. Eldar feel emotions in a stronger way than humans but still, feeding the warp and becoming a force against Chaos is two different things. All warp connected races need it in order to exist, that is the reason it was created. Chaos is just a perversion of it as flawed races started to dump negative emotions into the warp but this has been shown to be able to counter acted with positive emotions, see the Eldar Gods and the Emperor. In this same manner, GK do the same thing but in a different way. They are indoctrinated with their minds wiped and conditioned specifically to repel Chaotic forces. The fluff describes about how a daemon can try to touch a GK's mind but winds up burning itself because the psychic energy and defenses of the GK have been trained to do so thus showing the possibility that the warp can be honed to a point where it's energies are the exact opposite of Chaotic energies and be used to banish it. Such is the nature of the warp.

You bring up a good point though, can we continue to use the warp and defeat Chaos? The answer is no, humans and Eldar are flawed with not all of the races being able to be Farseers and GKs otherwise that would of already happened which is what a lot of people in high positions with full knowledge of the warp have already come to the conclusion. So what to do? Maintain the status quo, realize that you can't let Chaos win because that means the discontinued existence of all warp based species except maybe orks, Gork and Mork have already been shown that they can knock Chaos Gods on their arse. It is balance which is kind of where the galaxy is at in a weird grim dark kind of way.

The only way to "completely" win is as you pointed out, Necrons. I don't think so much Tyranids because they are still a warp based species and have the possibility of being fused with Chaos. But with having no connection to warp, and way to seal it, the Necrons have the only way to completely destroy Chaos.

 
   
 
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