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 Paradigm wrote:
In running Black Death, Storm Shield, Runic Armour and a Thunderwolf Mount. He's dead hard to put down, gets a ton of attacks on the charge, and looks awesome!

This is exactly what I'm running. 205 points of pure awesomeness. Give him a little TWC bodyguard and he's a tank.

I also have a rune priest at level 2 with the armour of russ and the Helm. I've used the krom dragongaze model and put a different head on him. I'll upload a picture if people are interested....


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(I'm also running the Wulfen stone on him for some rage and furious charge goodness)

Yup, Black Death is definitely worth it. Even if it doesn't get the attacks bonus, +2S AP2 is still more than worth it for what you pay. However, if you're running him with TWC or Termies or the like, then you'll be outnumbered more often than not.

Also, is the attacks bonus calculated at the start of the fight sub-phase, or when it's the character's turn to attack? The wording is ambiguous enough that I wasn't really sure how to play it.

I'd assume it was at the start of the fight.

I'm going to run him with 3 thunderwolfs. So most of what he hits will grant him the extra attacks.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
I'm going to run him with 3 thunderwolfs. So most of what he hits will grant him the extra attacks.

And lets be honest, unless it's an MC, anything that doesn't outnumer them you won't need the extra attacks against!

 Paradigm wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
I'm going to run him with 3 thunderwolfs. So most of what he hits will grant him the extra attacks.

And lets be honest, unless it's an MC, anything that doesn't outnumer them you won't need the extra attacks against!

To be fair I even fancy my chances against most MC's. Apart from perhaps Daemon Princes, Greater daemons and the avatar....

Have you thought about powerfist and wolf claw, you still get the +1 attack from two weapons and the choice of higher strength attacks/instant death attacks when you need them

wolf claw is a specialist weapon while the fist is not so you wouldn't be able to get the bonus attack for that combo

Dramagod2 wrote:

Have you thought about powerfist and wolf claw, you still get the +1 attack from two weapons and the choice of higher strength attacks/instant death attacks when you need them

wolf claw is a specialist weapon while the fist is not so you wouldn't be able to get the bonus attack for that combo

The List of Specialist Weapons Available to Space Wolves
>Chain Fist [Requires Terminator Armor]
>Power Fist [Yes it is a Specialist Weapon]
>Thunder Hammers
>Wolf Claws

 Anpu42 wrote:

Dramagod2 wrote:

Have you thought about powerfist and wolf claw, you still get the +1 attack from two weapons and the choice of higher strength attacks/instant death attacks when you need them

wolf claw is a specialist weapon while the fist is not so you wouldn't be able to get the bonus attack for that combo

The List of Specialist Weapons Available to Space Wolves
>Chain Fist [Requires Terminator Armor]
>Power Fist [Yes it is a Specialist Weapon]
>Thunder Hammers
>Wolf Claws

Well then good on ya! Was it that way in 6th?

Dramagod2 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Dramagod2 wrote:

Have you thought about powerfist and wolf claw, you still get the +1 attack from two weapons and the choice of higher strength attacks/instant death attacks when you need them

wolf claw is a specialist weapon while the fist is not so you wouldn't be able to get the bonus attack for that combo

The List of Specialist Weapons Available to Space Wolves
>Chain Fist [Requires Terminator Armor]
>Power Fist [Yes it is a Specialist Weapon]
>Thunder Hammers
>Wolf Claws

Well then good on ya! Was it that way in 6th?

Yeup, that is where the Wolf Claw/Power Fist and Wolf Claw/Chain Fist combos got their Start

Not sure if I saw this covered yet, but Iron Priest on a Twolf, 105 points and unless I am missing something:

4 base attacks at S10 AP2 (2 base, +1 for Twolf mount, +1 for the combination of Thunder Hammer and Servo-arm).

2+ 6++ (Runic Armor).

Seems like a pretty sweet deal before factoring that he can repair HP, even in close combat (assuming this works, I am going off the wording in the codex of "instead of shooting).

Even if he can't repair stuff in CC he can repair something like a Venerable Dredd that's locked in CC before he charges in.

Would be S9, I think. You add after multiplying.

Twolf adds to the base statline, not a modifier like Furious Charge, unless I am getting that wrong, 5th ed characters on Twolves had S10 if striking with a PF or TH.

 More Dakka wrote:
Twolf adds to the base statline, not a modifier like Furious Charge, unless I am getting that wrong, 5th ed characters on Twolves had S10 if striking with a PF or TH.

No you are not getting it wrong. Thunderwolves make you S5, not 4[5]

 Anpu42 wrote:

 More Dakka wrote:
Twolf adds to the base statline, not a modifier like Furious Charge, unless I am getting that wrong, 5th ed characters on Twolves had S10 if striking with a PF or TH.

No you are not getting it wrong. Thunderwolves make you S5, not 4[5]

This is being debated in another thread. Not here please.

Concensus is that RAW it does but that no one is playing it that way because of the precedent set in the book as well as past FAQ.

Also Iron priest is a fantastic tanking unit and for 15 points cyber wolves are fantastic.

They are 4+ save ablative wounds that can also issue challenges....

I do like the Iron Priest as a 105pts cc beatstick on a TW.

However when running Lords/WGBL with TWC you do need a few of them to soak damage. 3 TWC will not be enough against AM, Tau or Eldar or Gravspam even with shields. Im running 5 TWC with 3 shields and the WGBL but against shooty armies that is barely enough. They have a HUGE bullseye on their foreheads and will in most games have to endure a hail of incoming fire.

I did think that. And I did think about dropping a stormfang to increase the units survivability. I currently run my WGBL with 3 TWC all with Shields. I'm thinking about dropping my 255 point stormfang and investing it in increasing the TWC. Maybe add 2 more wolves and an IP.

About the Iron Priest on TW, just for comparison since the IP seems like a very popular choice atm which im not arguing against. Just offering food for thought.

Ironpriest on Wolf is 4A S10 on the charge with the hammer, 2+/6++ and 1W. A regular TWC with Thunderhammer is 5A on the charge, and additional wound and 35pts cheaper, 25pts cheaper if you buy a Stormshield giving it 3+/3++. With one more attack, one more wound and alot better invulsave (although only 3+ regular) is the Priest really worth the additional 25pt given you dont take the Cyberwolves into account?

The iron priest would have two wounds.... Adding a Thunderwolf mount increases strength, toughness, wounds and attacks...

Thunder wolves grant +1W. So the priest is at the same wound count.

And add to that young can split him off with yourord/battle leader for some protection whilst making use of the black death.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
And add to that young can split him off with yourord/battle leader for some protection whilst making use of the black death.

Good point, splitting of the IP and Lord/WGBL to mess up an additional unit.... Damnit, I might have to revise my list.. Again...

Grimm_81 wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
And add to that young can split him off with yourord/battle leader for some protection whilst making use of the black death.

Good point, splitting of the IP and Lord/WGBL to mess up an additional unit.... Damnit, I might have to revise my list.. Again...

Haha. Well I feel your point about needing more TWC to protect him is true. As he is a bullet magnet. But the black death requires you to have less models than you're charging to use its full effect. So if you throw a priest in I can have 5 guys soaking up fire power, and then when I'm ready to charge I can split the WGBL and IP off and more than likely be able to gain the additional attacks. I can use the IP to take the brunt of over watch. And I can also use him to accept challenges I don't want to fight in.

I'm going to run a WGBL with runic, black death, Wulfen stone and SS on a wolf with a IP on a wolf, and 5 TWC. 3 SS, 1 PF, 2 WC, and 2 pairs of WC. Should eat the board up.

Is it possible to split them off in the actual charge or do you need to do it in the movement phase?

Grimm_81 wrote:
Is it possible to split them off in the actual charge or do you need to do it in the movement phase?

I'd need to double check, but I'm pretty sure it's a movement phase thing. I'm 99% sure in fact.

The main reason you'd take an Iron Priest TWC is because of the 2+ armour, which is significantly cheaper than if you were to take a tanking Wolf Lord or Battle Leader to do the same thing. The 4 S10 Hammer attacks are just gravy and further reason to do it.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

Grimm_81 wrote:
Is it possible to split them off in the actual charge or do you need to do it in the movement phase?

I'd need to double check, but I'm pretty sure it's a movement phase thing. I'm 99% sure in fact.

Movement phase.

Isnt the iron priest 5 on the charge attacks as well?
2 base
1 from TWC
1 from servo-arm+TH
1 from charge.

Iron priest is also AP1 thanks to servo arm, so he can take down vehicles better than just about anything in the book outside of melta.
The only issue I have was pointed out, is he is like 35pt more than the TWC/TH for the same statline. Though you gain runic armor, AP1 and the ability for cyberwolves. I havent tried it, but I have already converted one up. I plan on using him soon to see how I like that +2/++6.

Black death does seem like a nice go-to weapon. For 5pt more than a frost axe you get the chance at additional attacks.

Only one of his attacks is AP1, not all of them.