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 CptJake wrote:
If true, this is big.

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

Jesus. If that's true that's definitely a lethal force rationale.

If true, it would have been nice if they released it a lot earlier. Maybe then the media would not have fanned the flames as much as they have.

It wouldn't justify lethal force after the fact though. So the question is still "was he a threat when the shots were fired" not "was he big and scary and a threat earlier".

 CptJake wrote:
If true, it would have been nice if they released it a lot earlier. Maybe then the media would not have fanned the flames as much as they have.

No matter what else comes of this, It's pretty safe to say that the Ferguson and County police made a bad situation much worse than it had to be,

 CptJake wrote:
If true, it would have been nice if they released it a lot earlier.

Fething up everything even remotely related to this event has been the one thing that department has been consistent in.

So... Another black dude killed by a cop, 3 miles from Ferguson.

So that reporter who said the police told her they had dozens of witness to back up the police officer's story?

Turns out she's on leave from her paper, and the Post Dispatch is not backing her up. http://huff.to/1teDqCx

And?

 CaulynDarr wrote:

No matter what else comes of this, It's pretty safe to say that the Ferguson and County police made a bad situation much worse than it had to be,

Seems to me the people who live there that began rioting and looting made things worse than it had to be, much moreso than a LEO shooting some "kid"

It could mean something like "she is not with the paper at the moment, and did not go through proper channels (clearing it with an editor) before publishing."

And so she might not mean her report is untrue, just that the report should not be associated with her newspaper, as she was not acting as a reporter for that paper when she tweeted.

But if it's true, surely we'll see the paper itself, with current employees, following it up.

*shrug*

We'll find out soon enough...

I will say that while it does appear the cop might have had a legit reason for the shooting Ferguson police all the way up to the govenor have done zero right in this situation.

Cops have hard jobs. It's why I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. But the manner in which the police responded to this has been way, way, way wrong.

A punch hard enough to shatter the orbital bones around the eye and may have pop the eyeball out. That's pretty close to extreme physical harm. One eye all screwed up and possible two different views being perceived.

Everyone is capable of violence and I mean EVERYONE. Does not matter the level of pacifism there is a trigger point one would commit violence.

 Jihadin wrote:
Everyone is capable of violence and I mean EVERYONE. Does not matter the level of pacifism there is a trigger point one would commit violence.

That's how Westborro gets their $$$...

Think Holder going to Ferguson is a bad idea. He already has 40+ agents there and three autopsy done on the body

 Jihadin wrote:
Think Holder going to Ferguson is a bad idea. He already has 40+ agents there and three autopsy done on the body

There's "talks" of Obama making an appearance.

*meh*

I'm okay with Holdner being here.

Do you have autocorrect set to mispell his name on purpose or something?

I'm pretty sure the headlines would be pretty poor if there isn't some kind of appearance by someone high up in the executive.

Been a long time I looked down on my keyboard and see where all my letter's are...damn you Ouze....for making me 2nd guess myself

You guys remember Katrina, when President Bush did the flyover? It was the right thing to do - him coming in would cause a lot of more important things to be put to the side for what were essentially photo ops. However, it was really bad optics - he didn't explain his rationale until much later - and so I doubt that's a mistake any administration will make for the immediate future.

 d-usa wrote:
It wouldn't justify lethal force after the fact though. So the question is still "was he a threat when the shots were fired" not "was he big and scary and a threat earlier".

If, as had been alleged, Brown was rushing the cop after having caved in an eye socket, I suspect the cop could have justifiably feared enough damage to make this a good shoot in the eyes of a jury. Honestly, if this is true, I would be surprised if a DA decided to prosecute at all. Remember 'earlier' is probably quite a bit less than 5 minutes before the shooting so the 'threat' never went away.

 Ouze wrote:
Do you have autocorrect set to mispell his name on purpose or something?

I do that quite a bit...eh?

I'm pretty sure the headlines would be pretty poor if there isn't some kind of appearance by someone high up in the executive.

The Governor should've been here earlier... even though he F'ed up and couldn't wait to scurry away.

But the Prez? Not sure if he can help the situation anymore by showing up and do speeches.

But, hey... he's more than welcome to come on down.

*shrug*


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 Ouze wrote:
You guys remember Katrina, when President Bush did the flyover? It was the right thing to do - him coming in would cause a lot of more important things to be put to the side for what were essentially photo ops. However, it was really bad optics - he didn't explain his rationale until much later - and so I doubt that's a mistake any administration will make for the immediate future.

Ooooh... great point.

Didn't help either when Kanye West made that stupid comment either about Bush Jr.

 d-usa wrote:
It wouldn't justify lethal force after the fact though. So the question is still "was he a threat when the shots were fired" not "was he big and scary and a threat earlier".

Was the officer assaulted" is generally the determining factor in police being justified in shooting people actually, bare knuckled hits to the face can kill, its not something to be brushed off so lightly.


by definition, ANY response from the officer to an attack is as you say, "after the fact".

in other words,

How many seconds is too many for the officer to wait after (allegedly) having his face bashed in by a 300ILB 6+ foot guy before we draw the line between a cop and racist cop?

How many seconds does it take a 300ilb 6+ foot tall person hitting you to turn into a sweet, innocent kid who was going to colledge? (or vise versa if the cops injuries are faked)

If the alleged injuries to the officer are true, hes also likely operating under extreme conditions due to pain, likely a concussion, and possibly blocked eye sight due to blood.

If this man would have attacked him in perfect condition, whats to make the officer believe his life isnt in danger after he is already injured?

Im also pretty sure the exact timing between the alleged cop face bashing and the alleged "kiddy killa KKK Kop" has yet to be released,

We talking the discharge in the LEO vehicle? I can see the LEO discharging his weapon in the vehicle into the driver side door after getting jacked up by CC. Getting hit that freaking hard would be a TBI. On a TBI thinking out the tenth story window and one can only react

 easysauce wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
It wouldn't justify lethal force after the fact though. So the question is still "was he a threat when the shots were fired" not "was he big and scary and a threat earlier".

Was the officer assaulted" is generally the determining factor in police being justified in shooting people actually,

Congratulations. That statement is so wrong I am giving you an internet cookie.

"Was the officer assaulted" is irrelevant in determining if lethal force was justified.
"Is the officer or another member of the public in danger right now" is how justification for lethal force is determined.

The cop thinking "he already broke my orbit (if indeed correct), I'm going to shoot him because he assaulted me" does not give any justification of lethal force.
The cop thinking "crap, he is charging me, he already broke my orbit, I'm going to shoot him" does give justification of lethal force.

blah blah blah big scary black man blah blah blah evil racist cop blah blah blah KKK cop blah blah blah

Edited by AgeOfEgos Either have a legitimate conversation with legitimate points or just hang out in the "oohhhh, everybody who thinks the cop acted wrong thinks all cops are racist" time-out corner.

So are we ignoring that someone else got shot during riots?

I thought this was a good opinion piece on the subject in today's Post. YMMV

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-in-ferguson-a-sense-of-african-americans-being-left-behind/2014/08/18/9ba06380-2714-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html

 Soladrin wrote:
So are we ignoring that someone else got shot during riots?

I think they for shot by other rioters. I chalk that up to stupid people being stupid.

I think the community and the cops are actually moving towards working together to get rid of the idiots doing the rioting, many of whom are not local.


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 jasper76 wrote:
I thought this was a good opinion piece on the subject in today's Post. YMMV

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-in-ferguson-a-sense-of-african-americans-being-left-behind/2014/08/18/9ba06380-2714-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html

This one was good as well:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/opinion/kohn-ferguson-pattern-of-racial-injustice/index.html?c=opinion

Think he's talking about the knife wielder that was not "right in the head"

That knife wielder story sounds like suicide by cop, from what I read.

Fuel to the fire. From what I understand a "questionable intent" group near LEO line someone was yelling "They shot another one!"