Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting

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**d-usa**

Interesting...

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/black-open-carry-in-dallas?n_play=53f56626e4b0bafe4f7f9a2e

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
blaktoof wrote:
After committing a series of crimes 10 minutes prior at a quiktrip and currently walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic behind myself, which is reported, if an officer were to approach me in their vehicle and ask me to get off the street, I would have my friend answer "but we are just walking down the street our grandmothers house. We are almost there so we are just going to keep walking."

If the officer dared to demand I get to the sidewalk I would then charge them and attack them in their car.

Should anything bad happen to myself, my friend will inform the media that it was race related and completely unjustified.

I only know of one Strong Arm Robbery. What other crimes did he do prior to that?

he was wearing flip flops with white socks. Thats a Fashion Felony.

EDIT: to the above Huey Newton Club. Huey was a founder of the Black Panthers, and where you get the party dance along song "Free Huey!"

**easysauce**

kronk wrote:
easysauce wrote:
fire4effekt wrote:
So if you walk down the middle of the road we should shoot you? good to know. Marathon day will be a bitch

he was stopped for being in the middle of the street,

he was SHOT because he committed a dangerous assault that threatened the officers life

Thats a completely false assertion to make that he was shot for walking in the street.

*raises hand*

Ohh, ooh! I know this one!

Is it strawman?

Did I get that one right?

you get a shiney scratch and sniff marker, yes, him being shot for walking in the street is a total strawman, and totally not based in reality.

now you get to play "guess what this sticker smells like"

you WIN!

or lose... im not sure what bag i got your sticker out of

**Ahtman**

**Grundz**

Eilif wrote:
"Use least force possible" has no relation to "Shoot in the leg".
I'm calling Bull crap. No police force I have ever heard of trains for leg shots and has a policy that when an officer decides he/she must pull a trigger they should aim for the leg.

Germany

**cincydooley**

So I'm confused. Open carry demonstrations are okay when it's black panthers doing it?

Should I default to white privilege again?

**blaktoof**

Jihadin wrote:
blaktoof wrote:
After committing a series of crimes 10 minutes prior at a quiktrip and currently walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic behind myself, which is reported, if an officer were to approach me in their vehicle and ask me to get off the street, I would have my friend answer "but we are just walking down the street our grandmothers house. We are almost there so we are just going to keep walking."

If the officer dared to demand I get to the sidewalk I would then charge them and attack them in their car.

Should anything bad happen to myself, my friend will inform the media that it was race related and completely unjustified.

I only know of one Strong Arm Robbery. What other crimes did he do prior to that?

robbery and assault are two separate crimes, although both charges often occur at the same time. We could throw in jaywalking, but most officers tend to not bother.

**Grundz**

cincydooley wrote:
So I'm confused. Open carry demonstrations are okay when it's black panthers doing it?
Should I default to white privilege again?

you should check the facebooks or the myspaces or the youtubes first

**Jihadin**

blaktoof wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
blaktoof wrote:
After committing a series of crimes 10 minutes prior at a quiktrip and currently walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic behind myself, which is reported, if an officer were to approach me in their vehicle and ask me to get off the street, I would have my friend answer "but we are just walking down the street our grandmothers house. We are almost there so we are just going to keep walking."

If the officer dared to demand I get to the sidewalk I would then charge them and attack them in their car.

Should anything bad happen to myself, my friend will inform the media that it was race related and completely unjustified.

I only know of one Strong Arm Robbery. What other crimes did he do prior to that?

robbery and assault are two separate crimes, although both charges often occur at the same time. We could throw in jaywalking, but most officers tend to not bother.

I'm tracking the same but you making it sound like he has a criminal record of incidents or something

Edit

Kronk you need to loot faster I can only swing so many times at the Zombies in The Last Stand

**Ahtman**

cincydooley wrote:
So I'm confused. Open carry demonstrations are okay when it's black panthers doing it?

Should I default to white privilege again?

If you conflate all black organizations as Black Panthers you might have have trouble understanding the problem. You don't have to default to white privilege, like Palmolive, you're soaking in it.

**Frazzled**

cincydooley wrote:
So I'm confused. Open carry demonstrations are okay when it's black panthers doing it?

Should I default to white privilege again?

Well they do it much better than Fatboy and Littleman. A sense of style counts for a lot.

Ahtman, in this case you're only half right. Those were New Black Panthers (yes the actual group).

**Hordini**

Grundz wrote:
Eilif wrote:
"Use least force possible" has no relation to "Shoot in the leg".
I'm calling Bull crap. No police force I have ever heard of trains for leg shots and has a policy that when an officer decides he/she must pull a trigger they should aim for the leg.

Germany

Do you have any source for this whatsoever? Because as far as I know this is not true.

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d-usa wrote:
Interesting...

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/black-open-carry-in-dallas?n_play=53f56626e4b0bafe4f7f9a2e

Good. They have the right to bear arms just like anyone else.

**Grundz**

Ahtman wrote:

If you conflate all black organizations as Black Panthers you might have have trouble understanding the problem. You don't have to default to white privilege, like Palmolive, you're soaking in it.

$100,000 raised for officer wilson says he isn't really too far off

**blaktoof**

Frazzled wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
blaktoof wrote:
After committing a series of crimes 10 minutes prior at a quiktrip and currently walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic behind myself, which is reported, if an officer were to approach me in their vehicle and ask me to get off the street, I would have my friend answer "but we are just walking down the street our grandmothers house. We are almost there so we are just going to keep walking."

If the officer dared to demand I get to the sidewalk I would then charge them and attack them in their car.

Should anything bad happen to myself, my friend will inform the media that it was race related and completely unjustified.

I only know of one Strong Arm Robbery. What other crimes did he do prior to that?

he was wearing flip flops with white socks. Thats a Fashion Felony.

EDIT: to the above Huey Newton Club. Huey was a founder of the Black Panthers, and where you get the party dance along song "Free Huey!"

ahh Huey newton.

its ashame the african american community has had so few upstanding role models, huey newton of course not being one himself.

Huey newton admitted after his release to fellow BPP member robert trivers, that he did in fact muder officer john frey and then claim it was self defense to add fire to their movement.

the BPP also had other amazing members like eldridge cleaver, a multiply convicted rapist, as well as being a well known racist. He later became a conservative republican, a crack addit, a founding member of "christlam" and something called "the guardians of the sperm" as well as creating a fashion line with extra material in the crotch area always because he was obsessed with mens crotches.

the BPP is a really good organization with lots of people who should look up to it.

**Crimson**

CptJake wrote:

I'm calling Bull crap. No police force I have ever heard of trains for leg shots and has a policy that when an officer decides he/she must pull a trigger they should aim for the leg. They all train center mass shooting, and train to shoot to kill if they feel the need to shoot at all. It makes no sense. Why fire a bullet at a limb that (1) is harder to hit, especially if the perp is moving at all and (2) may not actually stop the perp even if hit and (3) could end up killing the perp anyway?

kronk wrote:

1. I call bs.

Ok, I compiled a list of every case the Finnish police shooting a person I could find from last twenty years (there are of course more, but these are the ones I could find details on.)

Spoiler:

This of course is not a complete list. There a few cases (1-4) of the police shooting at a person per year, usually non lethally. The police has killed three people on this century (My list has more than that, as it has cases from 90's too.)

So either, the Finnish police are amazingly bad shots (and try to conserve the bullets by usually shooting a single shot) and fail to hit the centre of the mass and accidentally hit a leg instead, or they're trained differently. The American style 'empty a clip in the suspects chest' shootings just do not happen. Now you can question the wisdom of this policy, but to me it perfectly clear which approach I prefer. I think Kajieme Powell and Michael Brown would've preferred that approach as well.

**Grundz**

Crimson wrote:
The American style 'empty a clip in the suspects chest' shootings just do not happen.

If you're saying that more isn't better you had better get RIGHT OUT OF HERE

**cincydooley**

Grundz wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
So I'm confused. Open carry demonstrations are okay when it's black panthers doing it?
Should I default to white privilege again?

you should check the facebooks or the myspaces or the youtubes first

I'm aware of the history. And I'll defend their right.

I wonder how many restaurants will start banning guns as a result of this particular open carry (being that it's a primarily a racially motivated one).

You're on the clock, chipotle.

**Frazzled**

Grundz wrote:
Crimson wrote:
The American style 'empty a clip in the suspects chest' shootings just do not happen.

If you're saying that more isn't better you had better get RIGHT OUT OF HERE

He's obviously a godless commie sympathizer. I like the one who took the head shot. If he was aiming for the leg he sure missed...

**blaktoof**

cincydooley wrote:
Grundz wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
So I'm confused. Open carry demonstrations are okay when it's black panthers doing it?
Should I default to white privilege again?

you should check the facebooks or the myspaces or the youtubes first

I'm aware of the history. And I'll defend their right.

I wonder how many restaurants will start banning guns as a result of this particular open carry (being that it's a primarily a racially motivated one).

You're on the clock, chipotle.

if someone open carries in a restaurant the best thing you can do is pretend freak out, and yell "they have guns, lets get out of here" or just rush out without saying anything.

Do not go back, do not pay for your food or service. You will not be in trouble and no charges will be brought against you, if asked why you didn't pay, you ask why would you risk your life- doesn't the restaurant care more about the safety of their patrons than the 8.99 burger?

the restaurant will then ban open carry.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Relapse wrote:

I live in a fairly sizable area and I have never seen police paired up in vehicles unless one is in training.

It could just be that I only really "see" the police when they are in an active situation, in which I usually will see 2-4+ vehicles, and make a positive ID on 3+ officers.

**Steve steveson**

Grundz wrote:
Crimson wrote:
The American style 'empty a clip in the suspects chest' shootings just do not happen.

If you're saying that more isn't better you had better get RIGHT OUT OF HERE

UK police firearms training teaches the use and discharge of firearms to "remove the threat" rather than to kill, but this is normally by shooting the centre of mass. However I believe there is advice about shooting legs or head of a possible suicide bomber, to avoid shooting a possible suicide vest. Also the UK police also do not have an "empty a clip" policy, however due to the very nature of our fire arms officers they are much better shots than the average US office, or officer in any country where guns are carried by all or most officers.

**Grundz**

blaktoof wrote:

if someone open carries in a restaurant the best thing you can do is pretend freak out, and yell "they have guns, lets get out of here" or just rush out without saying anything.
Do not go back, do not pay for your food or service. You will not be in trouble and no charges will be brought against you, if asked why you didn't pay, you ask why would you risk your life- doesn't the restaurant care more about the safety of their patrons than the 8.99 burger?
the restaurant will then ban open carry.

there were also people telling idiots that they left their aimpoint on to get them to shoulder and look across streets and such with their rifles.

**RJCarrot**

Crimson wrote:
The American style 'empty a clip in the suspects chest' shootings just do not happen.

You never empty the clip into one guy, you need to save bullets to kill more people.

**whembly**

Steve steveson wrote:
Grundz wrote:
Crimson wrote:
The American style 'empty a clip in the suspects chest' shootings just do not happen.

If you're saying that more isn't better you had better get RIGHT OUT OF HERE

UK police firearms training teaches the use and discharge of firearms to "remove the threat" rather than to kill, but this is normally by shooting the centre of mass. However I believe there is advice about shooting legs or head of a possible suicide bomber, to avoid shooting a possible suicide vest. Also the UK police also do not have an "empty a clip" policy, however due to the very nature of our fire arms officers they are much better shots than the average US office, or officer in any country where guns are carried by all or most officers.

I don't believe the "empty clip" is a policy per se. It's, you keep shooting until the target stops being a threat. (which may necessitate emptying your clip)

**Frazzled**

Steve steveson wrote:
Grundz wrote:
Crimson wrote:
The American style 'empty a clip in the suspects chest' shootings just do not happen.

If you're saying that more isn't better you had better get RIGHT OUT OF HERE

UK police firearms training teaches the use and discharge of firearms to "remove the threat" rather than to kill, but this is normally by shooting the centre of mass. However I believe there is advice about shooting legs or head of a possible suicide bomber, to avoid shooting a possible suicide vest. Also the UK police also do not have an "empty a clip" policy, however due to the very nature of our fire arms officers they are much better shots than the average US office, or officer in any country where guns are carried by all or most officers.

Thats gneerally US police and in fact US law in most jurisidictions. Shoot only until the threat is stopped.

Sometimes taking the finger off the trigger can be delayed of course.

**cincydooley**

I'm sorry.... What's a clip?

@blacktoof - I think you're missing my point.

**Jihadin**

cincydooley wrote:
I'm sorry.... What's a clip?

@blacktoof - I think you're missing my point.

Grazing wounds

**daedalus**

RJCarrot wrote:
Crimson wrote:
The American style 'empty a clip in the suspects chest' shootings just do not happen.

You never empty the clip into one guy, you need to save bullets to kill more people.

That's why you have six spares.

**Grundz**

whembly wrote:

I don't believe the "empty clip" is a policy per se. It's, you keep shooting until the target stops being a threat. (which may necessitate emptying your clip)

That is how it is, however even with a fatal shot, it takes about half a second to a second for someone to go down plus you know, a half second or so as they crumple, since its taught that you just keep on shooting until the target is down its extremely rare that the mag isn't empty, I remember ~15 years ago there was about 50 shots fired at one guy from 3 officers (one reloaded and kept firing because he was still standing), like in the video posted earlier the guy is slowly moving at me, he isn't going to stop, sure, one to the gut as I back away, not like nine to the chest even if the first one killed him, to observers it looks like a firing squad not a takedown (and it pretty much is).

**Hordini**

Hey Grundz, sorry, you might have missed my post earlier, but do you have a source for your claim that Germany trains its officers to take leg shots?