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 Grundz wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

right, im sure the first thing that is supposed to be going through the cops head is "I wonder how valuable this person, who just broke my face, life is. 4 bullets? ten? six? yeah, six sounds good, I think on the manual black guys get six bullets"

So let me understand, either

A: The diet of McDonalds and American reality TV has bred a form of SUPER CRIMINAL, faster, stronger, feeling less pain * than anywhere else in the world

*I do believe you left out "and blacker" in your list of qualifications.


Heavy sarcasm alert for the tone deaf.

 Crimson wrote:
I am done arguing with Dakka gun brigade why shooting people dead is bad. It is possible to have a different kind of gun culture, it is possible to have different kind of police force. And it saves lives, you just don't seem to want that. Good day and enjoy the blood bath, I guess.

No. The fact is that you have very little idea of what you're talking about and are tired of being wrong. Don't blame some mythical "gun brigade" on the fact that you've been spouting nonsense.

If your right orbital has been shattered and your right eye looking in another direction, dealing with sudden TBI that just occured. Brown touching the Wilson weapon. A discharge occuring in the car. Exiting the vehicle. Assaliant advancing towards me (or appear to be), weapon fire.....I miss a calm rational thought that Wilson would have had somewhere in this process?


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 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I am done arguing with Dakka gun brigade why shooting people dead is bad. It is possible to have a different kind of gun culture, it is possible to have different kind of police force. And it saves lives, you just don't seem to want that. Good day and enjoy the blood bath, I guess.

No. The fact is that you have very little idea of what you're talking about and are tired of being wrong. Don't blame some mythical "gun brigade" on the fact that you've been spouting nonsense.

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Took me awhile to remember who Crimson was. I agree with you Cincy

 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I am done arguing with Dakka gun brigade why shooting people dead is bad. It is possible to have a different kind of gun culture, it is possible to have different kind of police force. And it saves lives, you just don't seem to want that. Good day and enjoy the blood bath, I guess.

No. The fact is that you have very little idea of what you're talking about and are tired of being wrong. Don't blame some mythical "gun brigade" on the fact that you've been spouting nonsense.

really? so which is it? A or B?

 Grundz wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

right, im sure the first thing that is supposed to be going through the cops head is "I wonder how valuable this person, who just broke my face, life is. 4 bullets? ten? six? yeah, six sounds good, I think on the manual black guys get six bullets"

So let me understand, either

A: The diet of McDonalds and American reality TV has bred a form of SUPER CRIMINAL, faster, stronger, feeling less pain than anywhere else in the world, america is under siege these monsters that absolutely will never stop until they are dead, however once(if) they leave the country they have been removed from the source of their power and become normal again, so they exist nowhere else and these actions are completely justified.

or

B: The rest of the civilized world have found a way of dealing with their criminals that does not involve gunning them down in the street regularly

Which is it?

Can't answer this unless one has experience in a shooting situation.

It may shock the rest of the world but despite being blood thirsty 'Muricans we do manage to arrest the vast majority of people without them being shot.

We even have lots of police shootings with survivors, not every incident results in a fatality. But feel free to rag on about how much our cops are nothing but racist, gun loving, violent animals.



It's not the wild west anymore, the situation like Ferguson isn't an everyday occurrence which is why it's such a sensational case. If things were like this all the time it wouldn't be a blip in the news much less an international news story that's running font and center for weeks. People want to demonize this event to fit their narrow view of cops, or Americans, or simply to sell a story but this is certainly not typical daily event in the US.

 Grundz wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I am done arguing with Dakka gun brigade why shooting people dead is bad. It is possible to have a different kind of gun culture, it is possible to have different kind of police force. And it saves lives, you just don't seem to want that. Good day and enjoy the blood bath, I guess.

No. The fact is that you have very little idea of what you're talking about and are tired of being wrong. Don't blame some mythical "gun brigade" on the fact that you've been spouting nonsense.

really? so which is it? A or B?

well,

when you give me two, ridiculous, made up choices, which are both examples of strawmanning what has actually been said,

then my answer is neither, because neither of them are pertinent to the actual specific situation we are talking about, both of which drip with sarcasm and bias as either answer is just silly.


I came from a reasonable point that cops shoot people who threaten their lives, and when in a situation where they are hurt and fearful, shooting 6 times isnt even close to unreasonable,

and you just come from left feild like is an either or choice between a land of bubble gumdrop fairies where no one gets shot by the cops

and where cops just shoot every black person on sight like they are a zombie.

we are much closer to the former extreme then the latter too.

 stanman wrote:

It's not the wild west, the situation like Ferguson isn't an everyday occurrence which is why it's such a sensational case. If things were like this all the time it wouldn't be a blip in the news much less an international news story that's running font and center for weeks. People want to demonize this behavior to fit their narrow view of cops or Americans or simply to sell a story but this is certainly not typical daily event in the US.

Actually, what's sad in many ways is that certain people were actually a LOT safer in the "Wild West" than they are now.

 Grundz wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Whatever. In vast majority of cases a single shot would suffice.

There is plenty of evidence to demonstrate that this is completely wrong.

It is entirely a question of how valuable the shootee's life is in comparison to how much danger the shooter is in. since culture says "hey they only shot 6 times each they could have fired more so there!" the person getting shots life is basically worthless, as shown by handcuffing him (assuming he isn't dead in which case it seems stupid) and then not rendering aid as he dies (hopeless or not). I'm guessing you don't care a whole lot about these people.
Since arrest rates of minorities is much, much higher (for reasons and things), and you dont care/encourage excessive force against them, can you not see why they think this is a race issue?

I think you're reading way too much into one sentence.


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 Crimson wrote:
I am done arguing with Dakka gun brigade why shooting people dead is bad. It is possible to have a different kind of gun culture, it is possible to have different kind of police force. And it saves lives, you just don't seem to want that. Good day and enjoy the blood bath, I guess.

Enjoy the bliss of ignorance on the subject.

 Frazzled wrote:
Wow they look so young. That must be the early 80s.

No, I believe at most, they're in their early to mid 60's!

 easysauce wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I am done arguing with Dakka gun brigade why shooting people dead is bad. It is possible to have a different kind of gun culture, it is possible to have different kind of police force. And it saves lives, you just don't seem to want that. Good day and enjoy the blood bath, I guess.

No. The fact is that you have very little idea of what you're talking about and are tired of being wrong. Don't blame some mythical "gun brigade" on the fact that you've been spouting nonsense.

really? so which is it? A or B?

well,
when you give me two, ridiculous, made up choices, which are both examples of strawmanning what has actually been said,

I did? how about a one sentence one?

Are american criminals more dangerous than criminals in other civilized countries who aren't gunned down at anywhere near the same rate or is your entire argument a farce?

Maybe they are. We have decided as a society that we have a constitutional right to bear arms that most other western nations don't have, with all the good and bad that it comes with.

One of the bad things is that it makes law enforcement a much more dangerous occupation.

 Grundz wrote:

Are american criminals more dangerous than criminals in other civilized countries who aren't gunned down at anywhere near the same rate or is your entire argument a farce?

Yes, and no, all at the same time... They are because they might be in possession of a gun. Or, better put, the odds of them having a gun in America, vs. say, Australia, or France is much higher. This places a greater degree of danger on almost any situation, until such a time as it is completely known whether or not a criminal/perp/suspect is in possession of a weapon.

 Grundz wrote:


Are american criminals more dangerous than criminals in other civilized countries?

Yes. Pretty clearly.

Yep, due to 2nd Amendment it's much easier for a criminal to get a gun, legally or otherwise than lets say Britain.

So the US fuzz has to assume that everyone they interact with could have a gun. Pretty simple, really.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

Are american criminals more dangerous than criminals in other civilized countries who aren't gunned down at anywhere near the same rate or is your entire argument a farce?

Yes, and no, all at the same time... They are because they might be in possession of a gun. Or, better put, the odds of them having a gun in America, vs. say, Australia, or France is much higher. This places a greater degree of danger on almost any situation, until such a time as it is completely known whether or not a criminal/perp/suspect is in possession of a weapon.

Schrodinger's suspect?

 Desubot wrote:

Schrodinger's suspect?

Pretty much it is impossible to know whether a suspect is going to be armed, until it's "too late"

Well, this was certainly an unexpected turn of events, but I'm glad for a this strong case for increased gun control presented here!

 Crimson wrote:
Well, this was certainly an unexpected turn of events, but I'm glad for a this strong case for increased gun control presented here!

What are you talking about now, exactly?

Some of you all making it sound like a LEO looks forward everyday to having an excuse to shoot someone.

What, they don't?

Isn't that why they all join the police force? That's what people keeping telling me.

I joined the police force because the captain knew my father and told me it was either that or go to jail. I got lucky that they just relaxed the standards because of manpower shortages.

 Crimson wrote:
I am done arguing with Dakka gun brigade why shooting people dead is bad. It is possible to have a different kind of gun culture, it is possible to have different kind of police force. And it saves lives, you just don't seem to want that. Good day and enjoy the blood bath, I guess.

Good. Little teenager, never having lived life yet. Please act superior to others. Just like all other teenagers.

Watch for the RUssians on the horizon. They are coming .


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 Grundz wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I am done arguing with Dakka gun brigade why shooting people dead is bad. It is possible to have a different kind of gun culture, it is possible to have different kind of police force. And it saves lives, you just don't seem to want that. Good day and enjoy the blood bath, I guess.

No. The fact is that you have very little idea of what you're talking about and are tired of being wrong. Don't blame some mythical "gun brigade" on the fact that you've been spouting nonsense.

really? so which is it? A or B?

well,
when you give me two, ridiculous, made up choices, which are both examples of strawmanning what has actually been said,

I did? how about a one sentence one?

Are american criminals more dangerous than criminals in other civilized countries who aren't gunned down at anywhere near the same rate or is your entire argument a farce?

MS 13 says yes.


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 d-usa wrote:
I joined the police force because the captain knew my father and told me it was either that or go to jail. I got lucky that they just relaxed the standards because of manpower shortages.

Hey thats how my dad joined the Corps! The judge said do 20 or join the Corps. Aint life great?

Never stood before the Judge and received those options
After highschool I went and joined the circus and after awhile when I became aware they were not going to give me a Dental Plan I left and joined the Army

Frazzled is drunk and has as 8.oo PM call toSingapore pray Frazzled doesn't say something stupidn and loses his job...


OK so kets cut the crap. Can we all say
1. Race relations need to get better. My children need to live in a better world than me.
2. Can't we all just fething get alongn for once and let everyone just live their lives.

Oh and as anAggie Dad I finally saw aggieville. Damn thats a big schoool. Is it wrong to be jealous of your own boy for the opportunities he has. I am so happy. he is so much smarter than me. Can we not have the world just fething get a little better for Him, for all the children? Seriously, people just want to llive and be happy. Enough with the death already. Jesus is crying a whats become of his family. We're all savages time tongod damn grow up and love one another.

 Frazzled wrote:
Frazzled is drunk and has as 8.oo PM call toSingapore pray Frazzled doesn't say something stupidn and loses his job...


OK so kets cut the crap. Can we all say
1. Race relations need to get better. My children need to live in a better world than me.
2. Can't we all just fething get alongn for once and let everyone just live their lives.

Oh and as anAggie Dad I finally saw aggieville. Damn thats a big schoool. Is it wrong to be jealous of your own boy for the opportunities he has. I am so happy. he is so much smarter than me. Can we not have the world just fething get a little better for Him, for all the children? Seriously, people just want to llive and be happy. Enough with the death already. Jesus is crying a whats become of his family. We're all savages time tongod damn grow up and love one another.

Disband all LEO agencies
Let the people police up after themselves since we're all mature and educated grown adults

 Frazzled wrote:
Watch for the RUssians on the horizon. They are coming .

I know! There are already busloads of them here and they want to buy all our dairy products!

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned about cops using hollow point bullets.

They don't all use hollow point bullets.

It depends on the department and what they feel is best.

Some depts are equipped with 9mm and use Glazers, others use Hydro-shoks.

Other depts use .40 or even .45 and use a full metal jacketed slug.

Many consciencious gun owners when equpping a pistol for home defense will match what law enforcement uses in that area (not the weapon per se, instead the ammunition). It has at times been an important detail in court proceedings after a civilian on civilian incident.

I think it's safe to say the majority use hollow points of some sort though. I haven't heard of very many using FMJ.

Hate to say it sorry the shooting was justified. With the recent medical releases of both the suspect and the officer it was proven he assaulted the cop. Guess what all you Gov. haters, the facts don't lie. Way to go to the cop for doing his job and defending himself, I would have done the same if I was attacked.