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2014/08/27 21:41:49
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
cincydooley wrote: Which still has nothing to do with the lender. The real estate agents are in business to connect buyer and seller; they're not the ones making the loans.
True, but they are bound by a nearly as strict anti-discrimination "code of conduct" or "ethics" as banks (seriously, a buddy of mine is in RE and has told me some of the ridiculous things that could get his license pulled permanently).
So, I guess to make all parties happy here... there is still discrimination of all types in the Housing Market at nearly all steps of the process
2014/08/28 02:28:55
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Could a newly released audio provide more clues on what led up to Michael Brown’s shooting death?
The FBI has questioned a man who says he recorded audio of gunfire at the time Brown was shot by Ferguson police on August 9, the man’s attorney told CNN.
In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.
Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the recording and said he detected at least 10 gunshots — a cluster of six, followed by four.
“I was very concerned about that pause … because it’s not just the number of gunshots, it’s how they’re fired,” the man’s attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN’s Don Lemon. “And that has a huge relevance on how this case might finally end up.”
The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, his attorney said.
He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.
The attorney said she learned of the man’s recording late last week from a mutual friend.
“I had to get his consent before I could reach out to the FBI,” Blumenthal said.
CNN cannot independently verify the authenticity of the tape and has asked the FBI for confirmation of their interview with the man who made the recording.
The meaning of the pause
It’s difficult to prove from the audio why the pause took place or whose narrative it supports.
Attorney Chris Chestnut said he was surprised by the gap in shots.
“It’s the pause that gives most concern in a police shooting, especially with an unarmed victim, because at this point Mr. Brown is defenseless — he has no weapon,” said Chestnut, who represented the family of Jonathan Ferrell.
Like Brown, Ferrell was an unarmed African-American man who was shot and killed by a white police officer.
But if the gunfire heard on the audio is indeed from the Brown incident, the pause doesn’t automatically suggest wrongful intent by the officer.
“To be fair, there could be other explanations for that pause,” said attorney Van Jones, co-host of CNN’s Crossfire. “Maybe the officer will say, ‘Well I fired, and he kept advancing, so I fired again.'”
Witnesses and a friend of Officer Darren Wilson have given conflicting accounts of what led up to Brown’s death.
Dorian Johnson, a friend of Brown’s who was walking with him at the time of the shooting, said the officer shot Brown once by the police car and again as he ran away.
According to Johnson, Brown was struck in the back and then turned around and put his arms up as the officer kept shooting.
But a friend of Wilson said Brown mocked the officer and charged at him before the shooting began.
An autopsy showed that all the entry wounds were in the front of Brown’s body.
Key witness speaks out
Ferguson police said Brown allegedly robbed a convenience store shortly before the shooting.
And reports that his friend Johnson had a criminal record that including lying to police has put Johnson’s credibility in question.
In 2011, Johnson was arrested and accused of theft and lying to police about his first name, age and address.
Johnson said Monday night he doesn’t understand why some are questioning his credibility.
“I see they bring up my past, my history, but it’s not like it’s a long rap sheet,” Johnson told Lemon/ “This one incident shouldn’t make me a bad person.”
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cincydooley wrote: Naw. First six is to stop the target initially. Pause to reasses. Target does not stop. Final four.
It would be more troubling if it was a single "execution" shot. But it was a cluster of 4.
On top of this... it's an audio with no associated eye witness, or visual account. There's literally nothing to be gained other than the pattern of shot/pause/shot
2014/08/28 02:49:19
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Johnson said Monday night he doesn’t understand why some are questioning his credibility.
“I see they bring up my past, my history, but it’s not like it’s a long rap sheet,” Johnson told Lemon/ “This one incident shouldn’t make me a bad person.”
Didn't this guy recant his testimony?
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Johnson said Monday night he doesn’t understand why some are questioning his credibility.
“I see they bring up my past, my history, but it’s not like it’s a long rap sheet,” Johnson told Lemon/ “This one incident shouldn’t make me a bad person.”
Didn't this guy recant his testimony?
His initial testimony... yes.
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2014/08/28 13:39:47
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
d-usa wrote: The pause could be significant, if anybody would actually mention how long that pause lasts.
Shots, pause long enough to lower your gun just a bit to see if he is still advancing, more shots? Most likely no issue.
Shots, long pause, more shots? Now you have more questions.
Just knowing "pause"? Nothing we can really make of that either way.
That's my feeling on the mater too. We're getting things drip fed but lacking context to properly evaluate them. Terrible for members of the public trying to determine what actually happened. Great for ratings
2014/08/28 17:20:13
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
I'm not that concerned about the shooting. Cops shoot people all the time. Sometimes they even shoot people that are there to film them for a TV show. If we didn't want cops shooting people we would replace their guns with Tazers and billy clubs and start calling them all Bobby.
What does interest me is which US city is going to explode into civil unrest next based on inequality? Should we start a Dakka Riot Pool?
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2014/08/28 17:39:10
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Sadly, I can see it happening in my hometown of Cincinnati. The race relations have gotten better since our last riot (2003), but there's been significant gentrification that has displaced citizens in the Over the Rhine district, and I fear those restaurants, with their close proximity to the area and the fact that non-hipsters in the neighborhood never utilize them, are prime targets for looting and vandalizing.
I hope not, but I can see it happening.
2014/08/28 17:47:54
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
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2014/08/28 18:47:05
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
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2014/08/28 19:07:27
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
sparkywtf wrote: MN is totally next. St Paul killed an "unarmed" hispanic this morning.
Hispanic people don't have time to riot, they all have jobs.
ZING!
Story is also pretty clear and the witnesses support what the cops say.
Guy was throwing rocks at cars, officers told him to stop, he punched one cop then charged the other (he may have been holding a rock at this point). That is a great way to get yourself shot.
sparkywtf wrote: MN is totally next. St Paul killed an "unarmed" hispanic this morning.
Hispanic people don't have time to riot, they all have jobs.
ZING!
Story is also pretty clear and the witnesses support what the cops say.
Guy was throwing rocks at cars, officers told him to stop, he punched one cop then charged the other (he may have been holding a rock at this point). That is a great way to get yourself shot.
Okay I have no sympathy for that guy. He was just sort of... Asking for it.
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2014/08/28 20:27:57
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Listening to local CBS affiliate radio on the way home, apparently a non-disclosed journalist has hired an attorney firm to force the state to release via FOIA Brown's juvenile records.
First, let me add: In Missouri, if the juvenile has passed away, it becomes public record.
My opinion? When there's a grand jury investigation on-going, I wouldn't allow this to be made public as it has a chance to "poison the well" of prospective jurors.
Evidently, the big news is this: -Brown is a known Crips gang member with a record -Brown was charged with 2nd degree murder (outcome, unknown but we can infer that he wasn't convicted)
I don't see anything online yet...
*shrug*
Point being, nothing official yet.
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2014/08/28 23:19:18
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Listening to local CBS affiliate radio on the way home, apparently a non-disclosed journalist has hired an attorney firm to force the state to release via FOIA Brown's juvenile records.
First, let me add: In Missouri, if the juvenile has passed away, it becomes public record.
My opinion? When there's a grand jury investigation on-going, I wouldn't allow this to be made public as it has a chance to "poison the well" of prospective jurors.
Evidently, the big news is this:
-Brown is a known Crips gang member with a record
-Brown was charged with 2nd degree murder (outcome, unknown but we can infer that he wasn't convicted)
I don't see anything online yet...
*shrug*
Point being, nothing official yet.
It is definitely not something you should do, but anything for the sake of page-views, eh? I wonder if he was a reformed person (used to break the law but stopped) or not.
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2014/08/29 00:39:16
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
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It is definitely not something you should do, but anything for the sake of page-views, eh? I wonder if he was a reformed person (used to break the law but stopped) or not.
Yes. The robbery he performed prior to being shot would certainly indicate reform, wouldn't it!
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I wonder if he was a reformed person (used to break the law but stopped) or not.
