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2014/08/29 02:44:15
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Listening to local CBS affiliate radio on the way home, apparently a non-disclosed journalist has hired an attorney firm to force the state to release via FOIA Brown's juvenile records.
First, let me add: In Missouri, if the juvenile has passed away, it becomes public record.
My opinion? When there's a grand jury investigation on-going, I wouldn't allow this to be made public as it has a chance to "poison the well" of prospective jurors.
Evidently, the big news is this:
-Brown is a known Crips gang member with a record
-Brown was charged with 2nd degree murder (outcome, unknown but we can infer that he wasn't convicted)
I don't see anything online yet...
*shrug*
Point being, nothing official yet.
Is this from the same reliable source that told us about the officer's orbital fractures?
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2014/08/29 05:34:05
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
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It is definitely not something you should do, but anything for the sake of page-views, eh? I wonder if he was a reformed person (used to break the law but stopped) or not.
Yes. The robbery he performed prior to being shot would certainly indicate reform, wouldn't it!
I thought it wasn't a robbery. Wasn't there a report that the owner(s?) of the store never reported a robbery because there wasn't one, just a shove? I'll have to go look.
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2014/08/29 05:43:36
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
sparkywtf wrote: MN is totally next. St Paul killed an "unarmed" hispanic this morning.
I swear.if I hear White Hispanic come up I am going to get pissed. Everytime I need to fill out a form in the future and I have to mark which race I am I'm going to write in -Other- "White Asian"
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2014/08/29 05:47:54
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
sparkywtf wrote: MN is totally next. St Paul killed an "unarmed" hispanic this morning.
I swear.if I hear White Hispanic come up I am going to get pissed. Everytime I need to fill out a form in the future and I have to mark which race I am I'm going to write in -Other- "White Asian"
Go with -other- Homosapien.
Or point out there is no classification for race.
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2014/08/29 05:53:54
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
sparkywtf wrote: MN is totally next. St Paul killed an "unarmed" hispanic this morning.
I swear.if I hear White Hispanic come up I am going to get pissed. Everytime I need to fill out a form in the future and I have to mark which race I am I'm going to write in -Other- "White Asian"
Go with -other- Homosapien.
Or point out there is no classification for race.
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Good point Brother but I get what your saying, we get what your saying, and you get what your saying. Its the uninform that does not get what a lot of us on here do get....
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2014/08/29 13:42:03
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Listening to local CBS affiliate radio on the way home, apparently a non-disclosed journalist has hired an attorney firm to force the state to release via FOIA Brown's juvenile records.
First, let me add: In Missouri, if the juvenile has passed away, it becomes public record.
My opinion? When there's a grand jury investigation on-going, I wouldn't allow this to be made public as it has a chance to "poison the well" of prospective jurors.
Evidently, the big news is this:
-Brown is a known Crips gang member with a record
-Brown was charged with 2nd degree murder (outcome, unknown but we can infer that he wasn't convicted)
I don't see anything online yet...
*shrug*
Point being, nothing official yet.
Is this from the same reliable source that told us about the officer's orbital fractures?
No... from a local CBS radio station on my way home. I'll scour around on the 'net a bit.
The key word is it's alledgedly... and also my complaint that this shouldn't be released during the grand jury investigation because, imo, it's irrelevant.
A conservative blogger who claims he was told by law enforcement that Michael Brown had a juvenile arrest history has filed a lawsuit seeking to obtain the alleged records.
Brown was fatally shot by police officer Darren Wilson on Aug. 9 in an incident that sparked weeks of civil unrest in Ferguson, Missouri. Though it’s been confirmed that the black 18-year-old was unarmed, many questions surrounding the shooting remain unanswered.
Charles C. Johnson, a blogger and journalist who recently launched a website called GotNews.com, filed a lawsuit last week seeking Brown’s records from the office of Paul Fox, director of judicial administration for the Circuit Court of St. Louis County. In the lawsuit, Johnson claims he had previously sought the records under Missouri’s 41-year-old “Sunshine Law,” which gives the public the right to request information from the government and says requests for information must be responded to within three business days. Johnson says his request was denied by Fox’s office.
Brown, who turned 18 shortly before he was killed, had no adult criminal record. Juvenile records are strictly guarded under Missouri law, but Johnson argues that the circumstances surrounding Brown’s death have become an object of overwhelming public interest. In a blog post on his website, Johnson wrote that knowing the truth about Brown’s past “will help us gauge the credibility of his parents and family, who have called him a ‘gentle giant.’” He also claimed that he was told by two different St. Louis law-enforcement sources that Brown had a juvenile arrest record, and cited rumors that Brown was the member of a gang.
I had two law enforcement contacts who told me #MichaelBrown had juvenile criminal record. I will be suing to get the answer. #Ferguson
— Charles C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson) August 20, 2014
In an interview with CBS St. Louis Wednesday, attorney Johnathon Burns, who filed the case, said because Brown is deceased, his juvenile documents should revert back into the public sphere. “Missouri common law applies, and under Missouri common law, court records and virtually all other documents are open to the public,” he said.
Since the story of Brown’s death first broke, media depictions of his character have been contentious. On Monday, a New York Times profile describing Brown as “no angel” sparked outrage among readers and prompted criticism from the paper’s public editor, Margaret Sullivan.
Johnson, who recently raised more than $11,000 on GoFundMe for “investigative journalism research,” is not averse to ruffling feathers. He has appeared on Fox News and written for right-leaning sites like the Daily Caller, but he has objected in Twitter posts to being labeled either a “conservative” or a “blogger.” Last month, the Washington Post’s Wonkette blog published a roundup of tweets in which Johnson referred to himself as an “award-winning journalist.”
How is it not racist to believe he cannot be unbiased because his father was killed by a black man? Seeing all people of a certain color in a specific light is racism, surely the DA is aware that all Blacks are different?
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sparkywtf wrote: MN is totally next. St Paul killed an "unarmed" hispanic this morning.
I swear.if I hear White Hispanic come up I am going to get pissed. Everytime I need to fill out a form in the future and I have to mark which race I am I'm going to write in -Other- "White Asian"
Because, Officially, Hispanics are not considered a race but an ethnicity by the census. They have a shared language background. Which is why you can have white hispanics, they are from spain.
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2014/08/30 16:59:15
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Some language, one of the officers was the guy yelling "go feth yourself" while telling protesters that he will kill them
Good.
My own state senator is saying stupid gak:
Let's just cut to the chase and have someone get a rope, eh? No need for any of that new fangled trial stuff doodad.
In seriousness, if he is found guilty, then indeed he should be punished for murder. If he isn't, though, the damage is done by all of the politicians weighing in against him before the clear facts are all out there.
Of course, the white house sending three reps to Brown' funeral, giving him the semblance of a hero's sendoff while ignoring the funeral of a general that served the country 30 years before being KIA seems to be a sign of the times and government attitudes towards those who serve their community and country.
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2014/08/30 17:00:52
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
In a thread about racial conflict you chose to drop a remark about getting a rope. That you don't understand why this is problematic is problematic in itself.
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2014/08/30 17:14:55
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
In a thread about racial conflict you chose to drop a remark about getting a rope. That you don't understand why this is problematic is problematic in itself.
A comment you chose to take out of context. I'm thinking in terms of old west justice, not racial lynching.
Then again, you were all for the father of the two boys killed by a drunk driver being convicted even though, after all the tests,there was no evidence but motive linking him to the driver's murder.
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2014/08/30 17:20:47
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
In a thread about racial conflict you chose to drop a remark about getting a rope. That you don't understand why this is problematic is problematic in itself.
A comment you chose to take out of context. I'm thinking in terms of old west justice, not racial lynching.
They're basically the same thing. Just the latter was "old west justice" against black people long after it had stopped happening to whites.
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2014/08/30 17:24:43
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
In a thread about racial conflict you chose to drop a remark about getting a rope. That you don't understand why this is problematic is problematic in itself.
A comment you chose to take out of context. I'm thinking in terms of old west justice, not racial lynching.
They're basically the same thing. Just the latter was "old west justice" against black people long after it had stopped happening to whites.
Old west justice happened to anyone. There was even a salsa ad out here where a cook brought in some salsa made in New York City to a cattle drive. One of the cowboys finished the ad by saying, "Someone get a rope".
Then again, you were all for the father of the two boys killed by a drunk driver being convicted even though, after all the tests,there was no evidence but motive linking him to the driver's murder.
That is an obvious lie and, given that this is a message board, any curious individual can freely determine whether or not I am speaking the truth.
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2014/08/30 17:25:03
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
In a thread about racial conflict you chose to drop a remark about getting a rope. That you don't understand why this is problematic is problematic in itself.
It's not problematic to me, because when you take the rest of his comment, it really lines up with what this state senator basically said... In that, she sort of "threatened" renewed riots/protests if they don't indict the police officer. That's basically saying, screw finding all the facts and bringing things to a fair trial, as per the constitution that she's sworn to uphold (at least, I think state senators/politicians in general take an oath) and bring out the lynch mob... public justice and all that.
It's this idea that we "need" to sacrifice someone to appease the beast (by beast, I mean society as a whole, not a single group here) is ludicrous to say the least.
2014/08/30 17:29:54
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Then again, you were all for the father of the two boys killed by a drunk driver being convicted even though, after all the tests,there was no evidence but motive linking him to the driver's murder.
That is an obvious lie and, given that this is a message board, any curious individual can freely determine whether or not I am speaking the truth.
Not really. Shall I copy over our conversation about it where you said the jury was bad for letting him go, even though he and his house went through forensics testing and investigation that came back negative?
2014/08/30 17:30:59
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
It's this idea that we "need" to sacrifice someone to appease the beast (by beast, I mean society as a whole, not a single group here) is ludicrous to say the least.
That seems like a huge stretch, and even if it is true the nature of this thread makes it inappropriate.
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2014/08/30 17:31:58
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
It's this idea that we "need" to sacrifice someone to appease the beast (by beast, I mean society as a whole, not a single group here) is ludicrous to say the least.
That seems like a huge stretch, and even if it is true the nature of this thread makes it inappropriate.
I'm surprised you use the word "stretch" in this thread.
2014/08/30 17:33:12
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Not really. Shall I copy over our conversation about it where you said the jury was bad for letting him go, even though he and his house went through forensics testing and investigation that came back negative?
Not really. Shall I copy over our conversation about it where you said the jury was bad for letting him go, even though he and his house went through forensics testing and investigation that came back negative?
Sure, because that's not something I said.
The conversation is easily found on pages 9 and 10 of the Chiago crime rate dropping thread, here are your veiws on the jury:
"Brought together initially by an irresponsible drunk."
You:
"That is not in any way relevant.
Basically, the guy got away with murder as I have seen plenty of people convicted on less evidence."
Me:
"To tell the truth, I think the jury wanted to give him a medal."
Your final comment:
"So it was a bad jury?"
My reply, which you seemed to have ignored, unless I missed it:
"I don't know, since according to the article, tests and investigations to prove the father was the shooter were coming back negative. Is the jury supposed to convict on that?"
I put this here since your attitude seems to reflect the senator and some of the people in Ferguson. Punish the suspect before the trial or at best run him into one with a predetermined outcome.
2014/08/30 19:25:24
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
In a thread about racial conflict you chose to drop a remark about getting a rope. That you don't understand why this is problematic is problematic in itself.
It's not problematic to me, because when you take the rest of his comment, it really lines up with what this state senator basically said... In that, she sort of "threatened" renewed riots/protests if they don't indict the police officer. That's basically saying, screw finding all the facts and bringing things to a fair trial, as per the constitution that she's sworn to uphold (at least, I think state senators/politicians in general take an oath) and bring out the lynch mob... public justice and all that.
It's this idea that we "need" to sacrifice someone to appease the beast (by beast, I mean society as a whole, not a single group here) is ludicrous to say the least.
1. Indict means to formally charge, not declare guilty.
2. Anyone remember LA after the Rodney king trial?
the senator speaks truth.
If people are already resigning and being fired, odds are they can probably think of charges to bring him up on and let a court decide his fate.
2014/08/30 19:30:46
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
In a thread about racial conflict you chose to drop a remark about getting a rope. That you don't understand why this is problematic is problematic in itself.
It's not problematic to me, because when you take the rest of his comment, it really lines up with what this state senator basically said... In that, she sort of "threatened" renewed riots/protests if they don't indict the police officer. That's basically saying, screw finding all the facts and bringing things to a fair trial, as per the constitution that she's sworn to uphold (at least, I think state senators/politicians in general take an oath) and bring out the lynch mob... public justice and all that.
It's this idea that we "need" to sacrifice someone to appease the beast (by beast, I mean society as a whole, not a single group here) is ludicrous to say the least.
1. Indict means to formally charge, not declare guilty.
2. Anyone remember LA after the Rodney king trial?
the senator speaks truth.
If people are already resigning and being fired, odds are they can probably think of charges to bring him up on and let a court decide his fate.
If there turns out no reason to indicte, what then? The senator's remarks are only stirring up more prejudice against the officer and giving the mob permission to riot some more if a decision comes back they don't like.
2014/08/30 20:00:31
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
There is no reason not to indict either. indict him, let things cool down while all the evidence is gathered, then if evidence is found take him to court. If not, they have all sorts of other options they can use. Anything between leave him where he is, or transfer him somewhere else.
and in the mean time, stop executing people and use some of their non-lethal devices.
Defuse the situation now instead of letting it drag on and get worse.
I wonder if he was a reformed person (used to break the law but stopped) or not.
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