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 d-usa wrote:
You already told me to "feth off" once today, so if this situation makes you too emotional to be logical or to follow the rules then it might be time for you to decide to take some time off Dakka.

Erm... I didn't tell you feth off. O.o

If anything I posted is interpreted in such fashion... I'm sorry.

Coincidentally that is also a perfect example of what I am saying:

I am able to acknowledge that you have a valid motivation for what you are doing (you are angry because you feel that your community is under attack) and at the same time I can acknowledge that what you are doing is wrong (telling me "feth you" and lashing out at other posters that you disagree with).

It's not rocket science.

I disagree... it's that mindset of *why* we're here and what's happening in Ferguson.

Go back and look at the media.

No effort is done to delineate between the peaceful protesters vs. the arsonist/looters/violent nutters.

It's a backhanded way to justify what's going on.

What should be said is simply:
1) peaceful protest is more than okay
2) engage the officials to identify the challenges and seek redresses
3) unequivantly, rioting/looting/violence is absolutely unacceptable. There's no justifcation. (<--- don't whitewash that by saying, "I understand where they're coming from, but it's still bad" as it smacks of having it both ways).

That's all I'm saying.

 whembly wrote:

What should be said is simply:
1) peaceful protest is more than okay
2) engage the officials to identify the challenges and seek redresses
3) unequivantly, rioting/looting/violence is absolutely unacceptable. There's no justifcation. (<--- don't whitewash that by saying, "I understand where they're coming from, but it's still bad" as it smacks of having it both ways).

That's all I'm saying.

Agreed.... I think that the greatest civil rights minds of our recent past are positively rolling in their graves right now... Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and MLK would be facepalming through the back of their skulls right now at this.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Agreed.... I think that the greatest civil rights minds of our recent past are positively rolling in their graves right now... Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and MLK would be facepalming through the back of their skulls right now at this.

In these trying times, I shrug my shoulders and say, "Well, you had Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi, and Harvey Milk, and you left us with Honey Boo Boo and Ryan Seacreast, and you disparage US?"

Make sure to skip those Black Friday crowds.

I need to stop checking this stuff at work. I'm being stared at because I'm laughing like a madman for no apparent reason.

 daedalus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Yep.They're rioting. Effing well good for them! They should be rioting. We should all be rioting. This is America, we are a nation of rioters. That's how we got to *be* America in the first damn place.

Not because of the decision of the grand jury (as if that wasn't enough), but because the way the law is written in Missouri, it grants the police the right to use lethal force in order to prevent someone from fleeing the possibility of arrest.

It also permits them to use lethal force to stop someone in the commission of a crime, and to defend themselves, yes... but it makes no conditions on the severity or type of said crime, or the crime for which you might have been arrested. It is, in essence, a legalized method of extra-judicial execution.

There are so many things wrong with that..

You riot. I have a Mossberg. Lets see how that goes.

Are there more than 9 of me?

Not for long.


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 whembly wrote:

What should be said is simply:
1) peaceful protest is more than okay
2) engage the officials to identify the challenges and seek redresses
3) unequivantly, rioting/looting/violence is absolutely unacceptable. There's no justifcation. (<--- don't whitewash that by saying, "I understand where they're coming from, but it's still bad" as it smacks of having it both ways).

That's all I'm saying.

Agreed.... I think that the greatest civil rights minds of our recent past are positively rolling in their graves right now... Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and MLK would be facepalming through the back of their skulls right now at this.

Malcolm X and Huey be clapping their hands though.


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I like that they were looting stores in Oakland, Ca. Now thats a five fingered discount ladiez and gentlemenz.

 Frazzled wrote:
Malcolm X and Huey be clapping their hands though.

Being ok with violent measures to protect oneself isn't the same as being ok with random violence, which is what this is. The rioters also tend to have the most effect on their own community, which is another problem.

Just heard from a local that out of 69 arrests, only 6 were locals.

 whembly wrote:

Oh... and this is bs:


That was Brown's mother and step-dad.

These were the people who were constantly talking to the media about protests remaining peaceful.

Any shred of dignity those people displayed is now null and void.

Here's hoping they don't end up like their kid.

Seem Wilson interview on ABC portrays him as a "Cold As Ice" by the Daily. I can see his training took over

They thought they were getting "justice" they didn't so "BURN THIS Mutha$#*^a DOWN!"

Someone needs to explain to these people how the justice system works. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to be upset about race relations in this country, but this case was definitely the wrong one for them to all line up behind (much like Treyvon).

I would but I like to Cherry Pick my incidents

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
They thought they were getting "justice" they didn't so "BURN THIS Mutha$#*^a DOWN!"

Someone needs to explain to these people how the justice system works. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to be upset about race relations in this country, but this case was definitely the wrong one for them to all line up behind (much like Treyvon).

They would have been a lot better off focusing on police over reaction to the initial protests/gatherings and the militarization of the police and taking Brown and his death out of it. Could even have made lack of black cops in a predominantly black area a major theme (and used in a positive way to encourage kids to want to be cops and to live a clean enough life that they can qualify). Turn the issue into one of big over reaching gov't not only failing to meet the needs of the people but actually being oppressive.

Instead they seem to honor a violent thief by being violent and looting. That doesn't gain sympathy from Joe Citizen around the country.

Considering the initial reaction to Obama in the nominations race I'm not surprised.

 CptJake wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
They thought they were getting "justice" they didn't so "BURN THIS Mutha$#*^a DOWN!"

Someone needs to explain to these people how the justice system works. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to be upset about race relations in this country, but this case was definitely the wrong one for them to all line up behind (much like Treyvon).

They would have been a lot better off focusing on police over reaction to the initial protests/gatherings and the militarization of the police and taking Brown and his death out of it. Could even have made lack of black cops in a predominantly black area a major theme (and used in a positive way to encourage kids to want to be cops and to live a clean enough life that they can qualify). Turn the issue into one of big over reaching gov't not only failing to meet the needs of the people but actually being oppressive.

But why do that when you can "burn this bitch down"?

Maybe they think if they burn enough bitches down then they can get a retrial?

Isn't that how justice works in this country?



As an aside, some of those store owners need to act like the Koreans did. That should put a stop to a lot of bitch burning REAL quick. Certainly much quicker than the milit...... erm, "Police" apparently can.

Sadly, yes, that is how justice works in this country. Enough riots will go on until another special prosecutor is sent in and Wilson is charged. Only to be acquitted because of the actual evidence and then we get to start the whole mess over again.

 CptJake wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
They thought they were getting "justice" they didn't so "BURN THIS Mutha$#*^a DOWN!"

Someone needs to explain to these people how the justice system works. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to be upset about race relations in this country, but this case was definitely the wrong one for them to all line up behind (much like Treyvon).

They would have been a lot better off focusing on police over reaction to the initial protests/gatherings and the militarization of the police and taking Brown and his death out of it. Could even have made lack of black cops in a predominantly black area a major theme (and used in a positive way to encourage kids to want to be cops and to live a clean enough life that they can qualify). Turn the issue into one of big over reaching gov't not only failing to meet the needs of the people but actually being oppressive.

Instead they seem to honor a violent thief by being violent and looting. That doesn't gain sympathy from Joe Citizen around the country.

They aint gaining sympathy from across the pond either.

Out the looters for using your sons name in their self serving thieving for christs sake. The only mother they are burning down is a chance at changing things.

 CptJake wrote:
That doesn't gain sympathy from Joe Citizen around the country.

That's clearly false, as lots of people who could be described as "Joe Citizen" are protesting.

 dogma wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
That doesn't gain sympathy from Joe Citizen around the country.

That's clearly false, as lots of people who could be described as "Joe Citizen" are protesting.

Whatever.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
They thought they were getting "justice" they didn't so "BURN THIS Mutha$#*^a DOWN!"

Someone needs to explain to these people how the justice system works. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to be upset about race relations in this country, but this case was definitely the wrong one for them to all line up behind (much like Treyvon).

They would have been a lot better off focusing on police over reaction to the initial protests/gatherings and the militarization of the police and taking Brown and his death out of it. Could even have made lack of black cops in a predominantly black area a major theme (and used in a positive way to encourage kids to want to be cops and to live a clean enough life that they can qualify). Turn the issue into one of big over reaching gov't not only failing to meet the needs of the people but actually being oppressive.

Instead they seem to honor a violent thief by being violent and looting. That doesn't gain sympathy from Joe Citizen around the country.

They aint gaining sympathy from across the pond either.

Out the looters for using your sons name in their self serving thieving for christs sake.

But then they couldn't sell their T-shirts.

 dogma wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
That doesn't gain sympathy from Joe Citizen around the country.

That's clearly false, as lots of people who could be described as "Joe Citizen" are protesting.

Protests are one thing. Five fingered discounts are different.
Besides this runs about one more day. Turkey Day and Black Friday will pull all the protesters away, just leaving the usual hooligans.
Then its time for the Sweeps!

"The Sweeps are coming. I repreat the Sweeps are coming!"

 CptJake wrote:

Whatever.

If you're up for it Budweiser, a St. Louis company, might like to know.

 Frazzled wrote:

Protests are one thing. Five fingered discounts are different.

I agree, and I never said otherwise; nor do I think anyone did.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
They thought they were getting "justice" they didn't so "BURN THIS Mutha$#*^a DOWN!"

Someone needs to explain to these people how the justice system works. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to be upset about race relations in this country, but this case was definitely the wrong one for them to all line up behind (much like Treyvon).

They would have been a lot better off focusing on police over reaction to the initial protests/gatherings and the militarization of the police and taking Brown and his death out of it. Could even have made lack of black cops in a predominantly black area a major theme (and used in a positive way to encourage kids to want to be cops and to live a clean enough life that they can qualify). Turn the issue into one of big over reaching gov't not only failing to meet the needs of the people but actually being oppressive.

Instead they seem to honor a violent thief by being violent and looting. That doesn't gain sympathy from Joe Citizen around the country.

They aint gaining sympathy from across the pond either.

Out the looters for using your sons name in their self serving thieving for christs sake.

But then they couldn't sell their T-shirts.

You mean the ones that say, Gone "to" Soon?


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As. I talked about earlier. The morons blocking the roads are cutting off hospitals.

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/26/shutitdown-peaceful-protesters-blocking-ambulances-access-to-hospitals/

Saw a driver just start plowing through the crowds of morons blocking roads.

 Alex C wrote:
Saw a driver just start plowing through the crowds of morons blocking roads.

Can't say I blame him considering what's been happening the past two nights.

Did not know the word "Demonized" is a racial slur

Relapse wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Saw a driver just start plowing through the crowds of morons blocking roads.

Can't say I blame him considering what's been happening the past two nights.

Agreed.

Affiliated crowds have been shown to be potentially violent. Not that it's generally a good idea to equate one crowd with another, but I'd be hovering my foot over the gas if the zombies started massing around my vehicle.

Relapse wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Saw a driver just start plowing through the crowds of morons blocking roads.

Can't say I blame him considering what's been happening the past two nights.

You mean things like:

- No real reports of "crowds of morons" stopping cars for violent purposes?
- the vast majority of protesters being peaceful?
- the vast majority of rioters not being from the community despite all the derpage about "people tearing up their own community"?
- last night being much better than Monday night?
- actual community members helping clean up the damage that "they" supposedly caused?
- actual community volunteers protecting homes and shops with guns and rifles to keep the outside agitators at bay?

The difference between the narrative in this thread and what is actually happening is getting bigger and bigger.

So, watching the local news this morning, it turns out that nearly every person arrested for blocking 75 in Cincy wasn't actually from Cincinnati, nor were the majority of the people that went onto the highway with them.

The local protestors did just that, in front of the courthouse, and were, by all accounts, very organized and peaceful.

 Jihadin wrote:
Did not know the word "Demonized" is a racial slur

Seriously? Damn... people are dumb.