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Hey all, Ex 40k player (left start of 6th) who is getting the table top itch again, but I don't want to spend a fortune on a new army, thus in comes infinity.

I have purchased the operation icestorm box set to start me off, and was wondering do I wait until it arrives to start with the new rules or do people know if the current rules will be similar?

Secondly I ordered the Neoterran Capitaline Army, Father-Officer Gabriele De Fersen, I assume this can be made into a legit army (Have only started looking at the online army builder, still a little confused but will keep trying to understand it) If not what else is considered a good buy for PanO

Thirdly, the mission packs, e.g. Train Rescue can the models from this be used properly in infinity or are they mainly for use in the packs for learning / small play? If so are the ones from the PanO packs worth using?

As you can guess I like PanO, should I hold off buying anything more until third edition rules in case some models become useless?

Also like the look of nomads and Ariadna, are they worth picking up (more so for the Aria, as nomads seem to be spoken well about online a lot). If so what packs are worth getting for them, or is it another case of wait until 3rd?

Fourth, is there an infinity player finder as I'm based in Belfast and want to find some local players to learn from also to see how big the scene is semi locally.

Thanks for any help in answering, got a little excited with the starter set so felt had to get more PanO , now to hope they were good purchases.

1. No idea how similar, but it will be an entirely new system for you to learn either way, why re-learn it in a month or so? I'd wait.

2. The best thing about Infinity is almost everything is viable if used properly. You will hear this phrase around: "It's not your list, it's you." Meaning that your use of units is more important than what units you use. Aside from that I have little help wfor you with PanO.

3. The characters in the packs are useable characters for any game. Most of them are damn useful as well! The PanO DF is pretty popular because the Civilian model is actually another Fusiler. I would stick to what comes with O:I until you get a better feel for the game though.

4. I'd check local stores and see who stocks Infinity. Check the official forums for a player database. Also, you can convert other 40K players!

Here http://www.infinitythegame.com/warcors/warcors_list.php you can find a WarCor for Northern Ireland. The name is deep-green-x. He would be the one to ask about local play.

Play a few games with what you are getting in the Icestorm box, and then decide what else you may want to get, as SlavetoDorkness said.

Most of all, enjoy.

 Duce wrote:
Hey all, Ex 40k player (left start of 6th) who is getting the table top itch again, but I don't want to spend a fortune on a new army, thus in comes infinity.

I have purchased the operation icestorm box set to start me off, and was wondering do I wait until it arrives to start with the new rules or do people know if the current rules will be similar?

Secondly I ordered the Neoterran Capitaline Army, Father-Officer Gabriele De Fersen, I assume this can be made into a legit army (Have only started looking at the online army builder, still a little confused but will keep trying to understand it) If not what else is considered a good buy for PanO

The Neoterra box can be made into a legit army (the NeoTerran Capitaline Army - it's a sectorial - a sub faction of PanO. Neoterra is the capital planet of PanO.) but De Fersen can't be used in that army at all (he's not a valid unit for that army). Yes, he can be used in The Military orders army (another sectorial army) and the main (what is generally termed "vanilla") faction army list of PanO. What is best depends on which direction you wish to go in. Vanilla, or sectorial. The Cutter (TAG, big stompy robot) is really cool - but can't currently be used OUTSIDE of the main faction (it can't be taken as a valid option for any sectorial YET). You could use it to "proxy" another TAG unit that you CAN take, though. Other units are similar. The Knights are of limited use in the main faction (restricted availablity). somewhat more use in Acontecimento sectorial, and better in Military orders but are not able to be taken in the NCA list.
For Neoterra, Auxilia units (1 man +1 flamethrower bot). Bolts (new unit), and some Dronbots (remotes) might be a good option.

 Duce wrote:
Thirdly, the mission packs, e.g. Train Rescue can the models from this be used properly in infinity or are they mainly for use in the packs for learning / small play? If so are the ones from the PanO packs worth using?

The mission packs EACH introduced TWO NAMED special characters who can be added to your army lists.
One for faction X and one for "Y" - they went for a "traditional enemies" kind of thing. The third miniature has a specific role in those missions - BUT can also be used as a generic "civilian" if you play any games with those. EACH of the missions in those boxes is written for a 300pt game (each player is fielding 300pts of troops including that model for their faction) - so not exactly recommended for beginners. Icestorm has its own sample "starter" format and is ideal to learn with. On the bright side, by the time you have played through that series of missions, the 3rd edition might be released so you can switch straight across to it.
The named characters can also serve as a gender option for that faction's "sepc ops" units (campaign and/or specific tournament format units).

For example - Fusilier Bipandra from the "train rescue" pack can be used in a Neoterran capitaline army list, the military orders army list OR the PanO faction army list. She is an additional unit for those lists. Now, at the moment, a medkit serves NO purpose on a unit with the doctor skill. There is hope that her equipment will mean something in 3rd edition. In addition, you could use the MODEL (not the profile) to stand in for a FEMALE Fusilier based Indigo "spec ops" model if a game allows you to field one.

 Duce wrote:
{As you can guess I like PanO, should I hold off buying anything more until third edition rules in case some models become useless?

I've been playing for 6 years and no units in the lists have been made useless in that time. Some have become a harder choice to make as to whether or not to take them, but none are useless. Based on the changes I've seen to some weapons profiles, models with sniper rifles might just edge out the HMG units in some armies under 3rd, but it doesn't make the HMGs useless. They just aren't as good at particular jobs.

 Duce wrote:
Fourth, is there an infinity player finder as I'm based in Belfast and want to find some local players to learn from also to see how big the scene is semi locally.

Thanks for any help in answering, got a little excited with the starter set so felt had to get more PanO , now to hope they were good purchases.

I think I've seen ONE player in "Norn Iron" (Belfast). Can't recall where I saw him (whether it was on the Datasphere forums or the official one. He played Aleph.
There's a bunch in RoI, but that's not much help I know.

1/ I'd say its fine to start with as is. I doubt the basic core mechanics wont be changing such as the order and ARO system. Things that relatively common that will be changed are some weapons ranges but thats no big problem, but it could be worthwhile to avoid units with camouflage at the moment. Thats getting a significant overhaul.

2/ What you have could be made into a legal army. The neoterra starter is specifically for a sectorial army but will work fine in the general one. Sectorials are just subsets of the general army that can only take a limited range of the general armies units but has some other advantages to compensate. De fersen comes from a different sectorial (Military orders) so couldnt be used in the neoterra sectorial army, but everything you have could be combined to use in the panoceana general army. One thing I would add though is that of the 7 guys you have, 3 are quite expensive and so points wise you probably wont take De Fersen, the Swiss Guard and the Aquila Guard all together. They'd easily be 2/3 of your points in a standard 300point game themselves. But having different options to use in games is good.

3/ The dire foes are mission packs with 2 named characters and a neutral civilian. The civilian is just an object in the particular mission. Each of the named characters can be used in their related armies outside of the mission as well.

4/ It is unlikely any models will be made useless with the release of 3rd edition. Rather than try to re invent the game each edition, Corvus Belli seek more to refine and improve it. If anything some units that weren't so good will become better. So just go with whatever you want. Safe bets to get will be fusilers which are decent line infantry and pretty common in Pano armies, there's 3 in operation icestorm, and Auxilia + auxbots which are very useful in missions. Either way you'll soon get an idea what you want.

5/ I would probably say that nomads are more common than ariadna. If you are looking to get a second army so you can lend it to others to start up with, then sure, go with it. But just for yourself, I'd probably stick with pano for a bit before branching out. There's a lot of diversity within each faction so I'd suggest looking into that a bit more before other factions.

Thanks for the input so far guys, I do appreciate it.

Another question, can mercs be used on their own? I ask as the shock team sand Kaplan models look pretty cool and I have a colour scheme I'd like to try out.

 Duce wrote:
Thanks for the input so far guys, I do appreciate it.

Another question, can mercs be used on their own? I ask as the shock team sand Kaplan models look pretty cool and I have a colour scheme I'd like to try out.

Not yet. We are expecting some mercenary army lists for the next supplement. Not the upcoming 3rd edition book, but the next book to be published after that. Working title is "Acheron Falls". There is a way to create mercenary armies, explained in the rules, but it's not legal for ITS.

However, there is a sectorial army, Qapu Khalqi (from Haqqislam) which relies a lot in mercs. You can include up to 4 Druze and 5 Kaplan guys in that list, among other units. Sectorials are not the easiest armies for a beginner (because of the aditional rules that vanilla factions don't use, i.e.: linked teams), but minis are minis, you might want to give them a try.

Edit: by the way, in Qapu Khalqi you could also field four of your miniatures from Operation: Icestorm, your three Alguaciles and the Mobile Brigada from the Nomads. Fluff-wise they are mercs in this list. All of them, this Nomad troops, Druzes, Kaplan, are legal in the ITS.

Mercs CAN be used on their own - but if your local group ONLY plays by ITS rules, then you won't see any.

(Mercs aren't ITS legal. They ARE legal for casual play, but can be seen as somewhat of a crutch. You can patch weaknesses with stronger units from other factions).

For a "ITS legal" merc list, you pretty much have to play Qapu Khalqi. The nomad units in this Haqq sectorial are technically all "Hired guns" - but you also get to use yuan-yuan AD troops and scarface/cordelia.

Definitely get in touch with Deep-Green-X/Killian from the BoW Icestorm videos, there's quite a big scene in Belfast these days. He's also going to be running Infinity stuff at the next Nordcon at the end of November.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
1. No idea how similar, but it will be an entirely new system for you to learn either way, why re-learn it in a month or so? I'd wait.

2. The best thing about Infinity is almost everything is viable if used properly. You will hear this phrase around: "It's not your list, it's you." Meaning that your use of units is more important than what units you use. Aside from that I have little help wfor you with PanO.

3. The characters in the packs are useable characters for any game. Most of them are damn useful as well! The PanO DF is pretty popular because the Civilian model is actually another Fusiler. I would stick to what comes with O:I until you get a better feel for the game though.

4. I'd check local stores and see who stocks Infinity. Check the official forums for a player database. Also, you can convert other 40K players!

Number two completely. This game has very few "dead" models. Sure, some models are of questionable use, I'm looking at you Imperial Agent, and yet they still pack quite a punch with the E/Mitter.