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Hi There,

A friend of mine has used this tactic against me twice now and it just doesn't feel right.

He has been embarking 3 centurions with grav guns onto a Storm Raven, zooming it onto the board and then dropping
his centurions right in front of my Riptide (which quickly goes bye bye.)

As far as I was aware it states in the BRB that you cannot disembark from a zooming flyer, am i missing something?

(he plays Black Templars)

Yes. The Storm Raven has specific permission allowing models to disembark while Zooming.

Awesome thank you. He never had a codex with him so it felt like he was making it up.

The Stormraven is an exception to the rule -

SM codex pg97 - If the stormraven moves more than 6", passengers can disembark by deep striking a nominated point the raven moved over. If they scatter at all, they take a dangerous terrain. If they all can't deploy, they're removed as a casualty.

To counter this tactic, intercept them if you're Tau. Should be easy enough.

Alternatively, move yourself behind cover so deep striking is too risky.

The second battle I did both of those things but he was really lucky and still got his centurions down!

Never managed to beat him.

Really? Why don't you just large blast the whole centurion blob? Maybe have something else that can intercept next to your riptide.

If there's one army jumping centurions has limitations aginst, is Tau.

The Centurions are an annoyance but not really the reason I lose.

His army is just packed with Storm Shield Terminators and He uses his drop pods first turn packed with Meltas (he has seized the initiative twice.) so both time he has destroyed my Hammer Heads pretty much first turn and managed to get into combat by turn two.

Plasma weapons. Pew pew. Or just spam low S fire.

I honestly think it has just been luck that has let me down, my roles have been terrible and such. I know the best things to use against him just the variable have let me down.

Was kind of hoping the centurions attack was cheaty but seeing as it is legal I just have to suck it up.

You could also consider taking a Skyfire / Interceptor weapon, e.g. an Icarus Lascannon. You'd have a good chance of immediately taking it down, forcing him to walk towards you.

The jump out is part of the movement phase. They'd be where they're wanted before the intercept had chance.

The most useful thing I have found using interceptor against is taking down Hell Turkey's

I will point out that the Centurioins have to drop onto a point the Stormraven has passed over, ie BEHIND it. (or possibly under it). But not in front of it. Anyways, just sayin'

 don_mondo wrote:
I will point out that the Centurioins have to drop onto a point the Stormraven has passed over, ie BEHIND it. (or possibly under it). But not in front of it. Anyways, just sayin'

Correct. Though considering the Raven can move 36" with minimal issues, they should be in range

I really hate Grav Guns

6 ap2 wounds is all you need.

Think about it this way. That's a 490 point system to kill your riptide as well as two HS slots.

Not to mention that you should have your 3+ invuln up and ready for that tactic.

Oh believe me I wish I had my 3+ invul up but whiffed my roles on the Nova charge in the first game and whiffed my save roles in the second.

The more I think about those battles the more I realise how bad my roles were.

I really want to battle more varied armies because currently I only get to battle one friend who uses Chaos.

Make sure he's rolling for scatter, should be times he gets unlucky and mishaps tbh. Also won't they be snap shotting anyway?

No, why would they be?

Just on the interceptor note.

If the units are technically deep striking out of the Storm Raven and interceptor says can target units coming on from reserve or deep striking couldn't you target the unit and not the Storm Raven?

LouisRuin wrote:
Just on the interceptor note.

If the units are technically deep striking out of the Storm Raven and interceptor says can target units coming on from reserve or deep striking couldn't you target the unit and not the Storm Raven?

Yes, you could intercept the unit instead of the storm raven.

Deep Striking has nothing to do with it - they arrived from Reserves when their vehicle did.

LouisRuin wrote:


If the units are technically deep striking out of the Storm Raven and interceptor says can target units coming on from reserve or deep striking couldn't you target the unit and not the Storm Raven?

You will hit them on 6s. Good luck with that.

 Sigvatr wrote:


You will hit them on 6s. Good luck with that.

Interceptor only hits on 6s if the target isn't flying? I thought that was just Skyfire.

 Sigvatr wrote:

LouisRuin wrote:


If the units are technically deep striking out of the Storm Raven and interceptor says can target units coming on from reserve or deep striking couldn't you target the unit and not the Storm Raven?

You will hit them on 6s. Good luck with that.

Why would they be snap shots against ground targets?

 Sigvatr wrote:

LouisRuin wrote:


If the units are technically deep striking out of the Storm Raven and interceptor says can target units coming on from reserve or deep striking couldn't you target the unit and not the Storm Raven?

You will hit them on 6s. Good luck with that.

Why would you need a 6 to hit a target that is not flying?

 don_mondo wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

LouisRuin wrote:


If the units are technically deep striking out of the Storm Raven and interceptor says can target units coming on from reserve or deep striking couldn't you target the unit and not the Storm Raven?

You will hit them on 6s. Good luck with that.

Why would you need a 6 to hit a target that is not flying?

7th removed the Interceptor rule that allowed Skyfire weapons to fire at ground targets with regular BS. This being said, there might be Interceptor weapons w/o Skyfire, can't think of any right now, though, that's why I said they'd only hit in 6s.

 don_mondo wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
You will hit them on 6s. Good luck with that.

Why would you need a 6 to hit a target that is not flying?

I think the confusion of the last few posters is that one is still referring to an Icarus or Quadgun, which would need to snap-fire at ground targets (due to the interaction of Interceptor and Skyfire being removed in 7th).

{Edit}

 Sigvatr wrote:
This being said, there might be Interceptor weapons w/o Skyfire, can't think of any right now, though, that's why I said they'd only hit in 6s.

Tau battlesuits can buy an Interceptor upgrade.

 Quanar wrote:
Tau battlesuits can buy an Interceptor upgrade.

Yup you can stick interceptor on ya Riptide an fire away at helpless ground targets (or Broadsides, Crisis suits even Stealth Suits if you so wished... but you shouldn't)