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If the WD pictures tell anything, It seems you can mix VC and TK. I am pretty excited about that. I wonder if there will be only certain units of each you are allowed to use.

 Vash108 wrote:
If the WD pictures tell anything, It seems you can mix VC and TK. I am pretty excited about that. I wonder if there will be only certain units of each you are allowed to use.

You should just be able to mix both from what I've heard. No certain units. But then again, that could bring with it a bunch of cheese.

I don't know, man. This all smells a lot like 40k dataslates and detachments. Call me paranoid, but I've taken a very strong dislike to GW's shenanigans after having been here through the 40k devolve.

This is how it started in 40k. Something pretty cool was added and then right behind it we started seeing ridiculous amounts of "cool updates" until the whole game was just a bloody mess and we just wanted it to stop.

I was reading on BoLS today or yesterday that the combined armies of VC and TK have a lord slot of 50%, so hello 2k+ .

I thought it worth saying that the magic cards are sold out .

 BunkerBob wrote:
I was reading on BoLS today or yesterday that the combined armies of VC and TK have a lord slot of 50%, so hello 2k+ .

You mean hello banishment?

All you need is one decent casting and he's gone.

There's been a lot of assumptions that the Undead Legions are just TK and VC mashed together as is... I wanna wait and see if there are any rules changes of any sort. the way it is now, you'd need a Liche Priest to support TK units and some Lore of Vampires to support VC units and heck the two kinds of armies even have totally different undead rules... there's gonna have to be some modifications and rewrites here to make it work, so lets see what happens with that.

 Micky wrote:
There's been a lot of assumptions that the Undead Legions are just TK and VC mashed together as is... I wanna wait and see if there are any rules changes of any sort. the way it is now, you'd need a Liche Priest to support TK units and some Lore of Vampires to support VC units and heck the two kinds of armies even have totally different undead rules... there's gonna have to be some modifications and rewrites here to make it work, so lets see what happens with that.

That's why I wanna see what everything from the Lore of Undeath does, it might affect both armies in different ways or something. Plus, Nagash can take LoV and LoN, so just pick which ones based on what you're bringing in the list.

My fear is that Lore of Undeath will become similar Deamonolgy in 40K. It is listed under several army sections on the website, might be all I didn't check them all. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My fear is that Lore of Undeath will become similar Deamonolgy in 40K. It is listed under several army sections on the website, might be all I didn't check them all. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

God, I hope not...

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My fear is that Lore of Undeath will become similar Deamonolgy in 40K. It is listed under several army sections on the website, might be all I didn't check them all. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

God, I hope not...

Right there with ya

I keep riding on the assumption it's simply just a champaign setting like Storm of Magic. *crossing fingers* GW doesn't seem to hav an over abundance of common sense this decade.

Do you rmember the arguements about apocalypse and regular 40K up to this resent edition of 40K. 'GW makes this awesome model, I cant use' or 'I got this from forgeworld' .....added to.... 'I should be able to play it in a regular game of 40K'.....GW response 'oh ok here's 7th edition play whatever you want'

They are a narritive company after all.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My fear is that Lore of Undeath will become similar Deamonolgy in 40K. It is listed under several army sections on the website, might be all I didn't check them all. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

God, I hope not...

Right there with ya

I keep riding on the assumption it's simply just a champaign setting like Storm of Magic. *crossing fingers* GW doesn't seem to hav an over abundance of common sense this decade.

Do you rmember the arguements about apocalypse and regular 40K up to this resent edition of 40K. 'GW makes this awesome model, I cant use' or 'I got this from forgeworld' .....added to.... 'I should be able to play it in a regular game of 40K'.....GW response 'oh ok here's 7th edition play whatever you want'

They are a narritive company after all.

I think Unbound was a slowed thing, as well as the ally rules. That's one thing I was hoping wouldn't go to Fantasy. But I think it will probably just be a campaign setting. Like, a "supplement" to TK and VC, and you can use them in a different way. At least, that's what I'm hoping it will end up as.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My fear is that Lore of Undeath will become similar Deamonolgy in 40K. It is listed under several army sections on the website, might be all I didn't check them all. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

God, I hope not...

Right there with ya

I keep riding on the assumption it's simply just a champaign setting like Storm of Magic. *crossing fingers* GW doesn't seem to hav an over abundance of common sense this decade.

Do you rmember the arguements about apocalypse and regular 40K up to this resent edition of 40K. 'GW makes this awesome model, I cant use' or 'I got this from forgeworld' .....added to.... 'I should be able to play it in a regular game of 40K'.....GW response 'oh ok here's 7th edition play whatever you want'

They are a narritive company after all.

From what I hear it's a supplement. So. We naturally got to talking. In a Storm of Magic setting, Nagash on a Fulcrum with the first turn, wins.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My fear is that Lore of Undeath will become similar Deamonolgy in 40K. It is listed under several army sections on the website, might be all I didn't check them all. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

God, I hope not...

Right there with ya

I keep riding on the assumption it's simply just a champaign setting like Storm of Magic. *crossing fingers* GW doesn't seem to hav an over abundance of common sense this decade.

Do you rmember the arguements about apocalypse and regular 40K up to this resent edition of 40K. 'GW makes this awesome model, I cant use' or 'I got this from forgeworld' .....added to.... 'I should be able to play it in a regular game of 40K'.....GW response 'oh ok here's 7th edition play whatever you want'

They are a narritive company after all.

From what I hear it's a supplement. So. We naturally got to talking. In a Storm of Magic setting, Nagash on a Fulcrum with the first turn, wins.

Unit type: Monster, should NEVER be allowed on a fulcrom

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

I fail to see a problem with this. People wanna play unbound? Then let 'em. People wanna play hardcore tournament ETC special rules? Then let 'em.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

I fail to see a problem with this. People wanna play unbound? Then let 'em. People wanna play hardcore tournament ETC special rules? Then let 'em.

Sure, but when I bring nothing but Morathi and Warlocks to a fun gaming night, then there's no problem

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
. I also fear that this may include some sort of attempt to allow unbound B.S. and people will try to utilize as a standard practice for building armies.

I fail to see a problem with this. People wanna play unbound? Then let 'em. People wanna play hardcore tournament ETC special rules? Then let 'em.

This is how you divide already very small gaming groups in to factions.

I was refreshed to get to a GW shop this summer for a long while and to find that most of the players there are not being "that guy" in regards to 40k's new Unbound rules, but rather making efforts to keep the game fun. For a friendly game night (which I also did a couple of times) it's more appropriate to bust out some Forgeworld models on a friend. But I'm hoping that if this does get carried away, most people will try to ensure that the game itself remains fun.

Personally, I'm not scared of them introducing "Primarch" like super-models, as long as they do so for other armies as well. A "return of epic heroes" type theme is exciting to me, as long as Dwarfs and Ogres and whoever get something to counter Nagash with.

But, on the other side of the coin, if it is like Daemonology, GW is going to sell a lot of VC models. Which they won't be sad about...

You can field him in a 2000 point army with this supplement.
Anyone who plays TK or VC you want this box set. The fluff book is amazing and so well done. I'm blown away by it and I play Beastmen.

Today at the shop the word was that these nagash rules allowing 50% heros and such is being released as a supplementnot as regular fantasy. There will be several books too. Hopefully this end times series will lead us into 9th and move the story beyond the end times series

I just realised that with and End Times army i can run both an upgraded Slann and Kroq-gar. So I'm suddenly fine with this. Because, man, that sounds like fun


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 namiel wrote:
Today at the shop the word was that these nagash rules allowing 50% heros and such is being released as a supplementnot as regular fantasy. There will be several books too. Hopefully this end times series will lead us into 9th and move the story beyond the end times series

I believe this is the case, yes.

 Micky wrote:
I just realised that with and End Times army i can run both an upgraded Slann and Kroq-gar. So I'm suddenly fine with this. Because, man, that sounds like fun


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 namiel wrote:
Today at the shop the word was that these nagash rules allowing 50% heros and such is being released as a supplementnot as regular fantasy. There will be several books too. Hopefully this end times series will lead us into 9th and move the story beyond the end times series

I believe this is the case, yes.

Actually, the wording states that it changes the percentages for a game of Warhammer. Not a game of Warhammer under the End Times supplement.

Take from that what you may.

Interestingly, he doesn't have Magic Resistance, so a decent Light Council would ruin the guy.

"Empire wins the first turn, and the War Altar rolls forward, followed by a small scrum of Light Wizards, casts Banishment irresistibly on six dice, and nukes Nagash with 3D6 Strength 10, ward-reroll-forcing hits. The Empire is saved, hurray!"

That is pretty dumb that he doesn't have magic resistance. But, then again, I feel GW didn't want him to be usd on a competitive scale, more so to be used in a friendly, campaign setting.

 grumpusbumpus wrote:
Interestingly, he doesn't have Magic Resistance, so a decent Light Council would ruin the guy.

"Empire wins the first turn, and the War Altar rolls forward, followed by a small scrum of Light Wizards, casts Banishment irresistibly on six dice, and nukes Nagash with 3D6 Strength 10, ward-reroll-forcing hits. The Empire is saved, hurray!"

From what I heard, the entire reason he's back is so that he can save the Empire. Like, He resurrected the Red Duke Vlad and the others to be his lieutenants, and Ulthuan and Naggaroth are under a massive Daemonic invasion. Vlad's off saving? the Empire, and the Duke is, well, being the Duke.

Apparently it's rewritten the fluff so that Valten is still alive too.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
He resurrected the Red Duke

The Red Duke is back?
Sweet!
You have any more info on that?

the timeline of the book is basicly telling the story of Nagash's resurrection and his battles to unite all the undead under his command. it ends with Nagash HKBing Settra and taking over his armies. doesnt say where he's going next though - i imagine we'll find out later.

It's got a double page spread for every faction at the start, kinda telling their recent history and how/why they're mustering for war, etc. quite a lot of stuff happens in those few pages.