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Poor Brets...

They just can't catch a break. They'll get updated and then the new edition will come out - invalidating their play style

When sixth edition hit. It was stated every book was to be updated with necron being last.

The next necron book will likely not be more powerful than the current one, but it will be more compatible with the core rules and might very well have better internal balance. I, as a tournament-going necron player, am looking forward to it.

MINIMAL UPDATE
Anything really good, gets a slight point bump.

Anything underperforming gets a new special rule and/or a points reduction

New Warlord Traits

Some new formation with a nifty special rule. My guess is endless scarabs, since it encourage the most sales.

MSS gets the rules rewritten and dumbed down

IF THeY LOVED US UPDATE

GIANT plastic model - morknaught/ imperial knight sized

Plastic Pariahs

something anti-psyker and something anti-air

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
''Coming in the months ahead'' makes me doubt this rumour, recently the best we've been getting is about 2 weeks notice.

I agree. The Grey Knights news came out a week before and it was correct, but "in fall" is very inaccurate. The metamorphoses of Warhammer 40K makes me think I am coming to know the astuteness if the GW design team. Sorry, I got Erudite for my factions test.

Ok, things that we are guaranteed to get...
New Dataslate-style codex
Warlord Traits
Lords of War in the Codex
Formations in the Codex
Tactical Objective Cards

Things that I can almost guarantee we won't see...
Lost Characters (all of our characters have models... we were the first book designed to deal with the Chapterhouse Lawsuit)
New models... repackaged models, maybe but no new models or units.

Unlikely, but possible...
Monolith packaged with replacements for the green rods.
Warriors packaged with replacements for the green rods.
Warriors repackaged to 8 models and 2 swarms (10 total models)... scarabs entry dropped to 2 per FA choice, for the same or increased price.
Destroyer 3 pack repackaged to include plastic destroyer lord and heavy destroyer bits... that have replacements for the green rods.
Specific Harbinger models

Well, I'm not really happy to hear this.
The actual Necron codex is pretty good and the army is fun to play.
I guess that GW will nerf some units ratiher hard. Hello Strike squad.

Why wouldn't we get new models? Orks and Space Wolves had them!

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I'm not really happy to hear this.
The actual Necron codex is pretty good and the army is fun to play.
I guess that GW will nerf some units ratiher hard. Hello Strike squad.

Anrakyr the Traveller
Illuminor Szeras
Imotekh the Stormlord
Orikan the Diviner
Trazyn the Infinite
Vangard Obyron
Necron Lords
C'tan Shard
Flayed Ones
Lychguard
Triarch Praetorians
Triarch Stalker
Necron Immortals
Necron Destroyers
Doomsday Ark
and Necron Monolith,
They would all love to have a word with you

If increasing the point-cost of Night Scythes, Barges and Wraiths means that the rest will be buffed, then I am incredibly happy.

Well, Lynchguard and Triarch Praetorians could be made a bit cheaper. Then there would be eventually playable.
The Doomsday Ark doesn't work properly. It needs an overhaul.
Also the Monolith would require an overhaul. It went from good in the previous incarnation of the codex to absolutely bad.
Wraiths should stay as they are since they are already costly.
Immortals and Warriors are fine.
Destroyers are too expensive to field them, dito for the Heavy version.
Flayed Ones need cheaper models and an overhaul of the rules to make them work.

Release schedules and rumors are all over the place hehe. Just the other day BOLS had a release schedule showing DE next after all the WFB end of world stuff came out.

With Orks losing their mob-rule, how likely do you think it will be that we keep Ld10 on everything?

I think that fact they hinted at it already on the GW site we might see it in as little as a few weeks.

Don't expect new models.

Expect:
- Mind shackle scarabs gone or made a relic or mega pricey or nerfed
- night scythes going up to 150+ pts
- Telsa not working on snap fire
- likely that reanimation will just be FNP

.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
I think that fact they hinted at it already on the GW site we might see it in as little as a few weeks.

Don't expect new models.

Expect:
- Mind shackle scarabs gone or made a relic or mega pricey or nerfed
- night scythes going up to 150+ pts
- Telsa not working on snap fire
- likely that reanimation will just be FNP

.

This would really be bad news and it has already been said a few times.
But GW is unpredictable.

Wow nice job GW, updating the only soft cover dex that DOESN'T need updating.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
I think that fact they hinted at it already on the GW site we might see it in as little as a few weeks.

Don't expect new models.

Expect:
- Mind shackle scarabs gone or made a relic or mega pricey or nerfed
- night scythes going up to 150+ pts
- Telsa not working on snap fire
- likely that reanimation will just be FNP

.

This would really be bad news and it has already been said a few times.
But GW is unpredictable.

Put it this way, I wont be surprised if GW releases all the ward stuff as quickly as possible without model updates. Or very minor updates. The cron book might actually address the stupidity of the Tranny C'tan.

Le list of sensible changes:

- Necron Lord upgrade cost reduced compared to Necron Overlord
- MSS 30 pts
- Streamlined Crypteks - lose most of the equipment as most of it is trash anyway
- LG removed, replaced with Pariahs (anti-Psyker unit that reduces the LD of all nearby enemies to LD 7, nearby Psykers suffer Perils for rolling Doubles, auto-hit Psykers in melee)
- Flayed Ones gain Fearless and Rending
- WBB replaces RP again (4+++, denied by Sx2 or AP2 attacks, regenerate at start of turn, Reg-Orb removes restrictions)
- Immortals gain a Salvo Gauss weapon, pts increase by ~3-5 pts
- CCB cannot join units, wargear is never shared between rider and vehicle
- Named Characters gain a good points reduction
- Add a Named Character that improves WBB and works as a support named character
- Destroyers gain W2
- Triarch Stalker points reduction (20-30)
- C'tan shards: massive points reduction across the board, reworked abilities to specialize each shard
- Wraiths: points increase, ~+15 pts
- Canoptek Spyders: slight points increase, Gloom Prism adds +1 DD each
- Monolith: becomes able to regenerate Necron Warriors and Immortals; if either have been downed in the previous turn, they can be teleported through the portal and re-roll their WBB roll; DS protection is in, Teleportation out of combat is in
- AB get a points increase of 30-ish points
- NS gain a points increase, models may only snapfire if disembarking from a NS
- Doomsday Ark gets more shooting profiles:
+ Standing still: S10 AP1 pie plate
+ up to 6'': S7 AP 2 pie plate
+ 6'' to 12'': S7 AP3 blast
- Gauss SP may fire at all targets with full BS
- finally a FAQ by the lazy bunch aka FW

People were saying that RP would become FNP with the last codex, too. I doubt it'll happen.

Tesla not generating extra hits while Snap Firing is likely.

Don't the new Challenge rules make MSS less crazy, already?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Le list of sensible changes:

- Necron Lord upgrade cost reduced compared to Necron Overlord
- MSS 30 pts
- Streamlined Crypteks - lose most of the equipment as most of it is trash anyway
- LG removed, replaced with Pariahs (anti-Psyker unit that reduces the LD of all nearby enemies to LD 7, nearby Psykers suffer Perils for rolling Doubles, auto-hit Psykers in melee)
- Flayed Ones gain Fearless and Rending
- WBB replaces RP again (4+++, denied by Sx2 or AP2 attacks, regenerate at start of turn, Reg-Orb removes restrictions)
- Immortals gain a Salvo Gauss weapon, pts increase by ~3-5 pts
- CCB cannot join units, wargear is never shared between rider and vehicle
- Named Characters gain a good points reduction
- Add a Named Character that improves WBB and works as a support named character
- Destroyers gain W2
- Triarch Stalker points reduction (20-30)
- C'tan shards: massive points reduction across the board, reworked abilities to specialize each shard
- Wraiths: points increase, ~+15 pts
- Canoptek Spyders: slight points increase, Gloom Prism adds +1 DD each
- Monolith: becomes able to regenerate Necron Warriors and Immortals; if either have been downed in the previous turn, they can be teleported through the portal and re-roll their WBB roll; DS protection is in, Teleportation out of combat is in
- AB get a points increase of 30-ish points
- NS gain a points increase, models may only snapfire if disembarking from a NS
- Doomsday Ark gets more shooting profiles:
+ Standing still: S10 AP1 pie plate
+ up to 6'': S7 AP 2 pie plate
+ 6'' to 12'': S7 AP3 blast
- Gauss SP may fire at all targets with full BS
- finally a FAQ by the lazy bunch aka FW

When had GW done what is sensible?

They will make the changes that might have made sense 2 years ago.

Drakmord wrote:


Don't the new Challenge rules make MSS less crazy, already?

6th already made it tame. If you charge yourself, the enemy cannot use his MSS.

Remove lychguard? What a stupid suggestion. A unit with great models and sensible fluff. If you want pariahs back then add them as a new unit, don't replace an already existing unit with a combo kit. Maybe pariahs could be part of the scheme to transfer necrons back into mortal organic bodies once again?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Le list of sensible changes:

-Not just a cost-change (which is needed) but I expect a rework of all weapons so it stops being "Warscythe or GTFO".
Don't know about you, but I've never ever used any of those other options.
Having Voidblades at the same cost of Warscythes is just insulting.
-MSS 30 points would require it to get a buff, because it's already hard to justify it on Lords/Overlords (outside of a CCB)
-Not sure on that, Crypteks are quite standard without their wargear so they'd need Special Rules to make up for it, which increases the base cost.
-Agree on the Flayed Ones, I'm fairly sure they're going to become Troops. It works quite well in IA12.
-Wouldn't that make RP more complicated? It seems they are making army-wide rules easier to understand.
-Immortals with Salvo would be nice, that would make them really different from Warriors. But what numbers are we talking about? Salvo 2/3?
-CCB will surely get that treatment, the Overlord would lose IC if he takes it. But I disagree on the Wargear thing, they had no problem with giving SW's a 4++ Chariot.
-I don't think a point-reduction would be enough, since that still doesn't make them special. My problem with SC's isn't their cost, but more that I see no reason to take them.
-How would we improve WBB/RP with a character?
-Are Destroyers worth 40 points if they had W2?
-Agree on Stalkers, they are quite good atm but too vulnerable for their cost.
-C'tan rework is almost a guarantee.
-50 points for a Wraith might be overdoing it, I'm personally expecting a 5-10 increase.
-Are you sure on the Gloom Prism? They could have done that in the FAQ but it seems they are quite happy with +2 since it's our only defense.
-That would make Monoliths at least 250 points and would overlap with the Ghost Ark, wouldn't it? I am personally expecting them to ignore Ordnance.
-Agree, AB are at least 110 points.
-Don't Night Scythes already have Snap Shots over a certain distance? Valyries went from 100 to 125 and that's a good guideline.
-Conversion Beam-Ark! I would love to see that happen. And even though it's totally useless, I expect DD-Ark to get Gauss.
-Sentry Pylon was really nerfed with 7th :( But don't hope for anything, since we'd need Forgeworld to look at it somewhere in the next decade.
-Same for all the rest from FW.

-All I know is that the Croissant fliers are getting a pts increase and/or rules nerf, no way around it.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
-All I know is that the Croissant fliers are getting a pts increase and/or rules nerf, no way around it.

Probably just get hover and turned into normal transports, Im guessing 150 to 160pts.

Are you serious or.. I guess you forgot the /sarcasm-tag.

@Ferrum: Don't get your hopes up.
It will probably stay exactly the same but at 125 points.

It holds 15 model and has 3hps AND a great weapon... no way its less then 150 even if invasion beams gets nerfed as well (like it should).

 adamsouza wrote:
MINIMAL UPDATE
Anything really good, gets a slight point bump.

Anything underperforming gets a new special rule and/or a points reduction

New Warlord Traits

Some new formation with a nifty special rule. My guess is endless scarabs, since it encourage the most sales.

MSS gets the rules rewritten and dumbed down

IF THeY LOVED US UPDATE

GIANT plastic model - morknaught/ imperial knight sized

Plastic Pariahs

something anti-psyker and something anti-air

Tesla? :-p I've been shooting down Flyrants all day

 Red Corsair wrote:
It holds 15 model and has 3hps AND a great weapon... no way its less then 150 even if invasion beams gets nerfed as well (like it should).

Valkyrie holds 12 models, has better armour and same amount of HP's and also great weaponry.
And it went from 100 to 125 points.
Invasion Beam isn't going to be nerfed because everything is scoring right now.

Are you willing to bet money on that 150 points?
Because that would be the most expensive Dedicated Transport after Land Raiders.

Anyone know an actual release month yet?!?! Very excited if we do see an update soon!

If someone had a more exact date, they would have posted it already.

I suppose so haha