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After extensively reading the new Ork codex and The new supplement, it has been the best fluff and orky fun that I've ever read. Anyways I am confused about how the reproduction during WAAAGH's occur. I am already quite well aware of normal spawing of orks with the spores and such but during WAAAGH's they seem to be able to reproduce incredibly fast. For example there has been a couple of instances where Orks have sought refuge in the bottom of hive worlds and return with a horde of greenskins after the initial handful got down there only weeks before. Do the spores really mature that fast? I dont think that that is the answer as normal ork worlds would be overflowing with them unless there's a WAAAGH in the mists. My theory is that with GW hinting to the Orks using WAAAGH energy to allow their technology to work and that the spores will feed off of this energy too and mature that much faster. It also explains how Ork WAAAGH's will eventually resume themselves decades after the first if there are spores stil left due to the lack of WAAAGH energy. Even normal non greenskin violence from Orks could trigger faster reproduction from orks. Thats the best I could come up with, any other insight would be much appreciated!

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The fluff behind magical bonk-spawning Orks wasn't really very well thought out, so you have to take it with the same grain of salt that you do everything else Orky. The answer is "Because Orks".

I personally miss the older fluff behind the Orks, where they were the galaxy's obnoxious neighbors who were on a centuries long PCP and LSD bender and were watching the Mad Max films on endless repeat. Where it took decades, if not centuries, for the Orks to get strong enough for there to be a Waaaagh, but when the Waaaagh finally happened, it was a huge deal.

The idea of an Ork Waaaaaagh going toe to toe with a Tyranid hive fleet in a "Let's see who runs out of guys first" contest is pretty cartoony, even for Orks and 40K.

Well, given the new fluff, I'd assumed that during a Waaagggghhh!!!!, in addition to the spore-born orks, the vagabonds that arrive by space hulk/rokks, and the admiring warbands, there are also Orks that are literally dragged from there home to the battlefield (through the warp).

Ya ci? Durin' da Biiigg Waagghh!, da Orkz' mazziv psykik powrar bent de Realiety arundz em', them boyz juz' got zapp'ed ere' whilez mindin' dar biznizzes. Da'z whar de Waaaggghhh iz da BIGGIST!

... or at least that's the way I see it; now that the Spore thing has become somewhat of a theory, it's impossible to know what's actually going on.

Fertiliser?

New ork fluff really frustrates me.

The spores were mostly fine, imo. It made sense, allowed the to gestate (relatively) quickly, explained why they could pop up anywhere so often, ect ect.

Now with the spores only being described as a theory, and Orks supposedly being able to disappear into the under-hive and then reappear with ten fold their numbers in just a week? Now it's just silly - and not in a good way.

 lcmiracle wrote:
... or at least that's the way I see it; now that the Spore thing has become somewhat of a theory, it's impossible to know what's actually going on.

I thought the spores were cannon now? I read about Imperial forces using flamers to stop the spores a few times.

It's a "theory" in that the Imperium has no solid evidence to support the claims (BL novels specifically stating that they do notwithstanding), but believes in the theory enough to burn away any sign of Ork spores or spoor.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about it. The fluff behind magical bonk-spawning Orks wasn't really very well thought out, so you have to take it with the same grain of salt that you do everything else Orky. The answer is "Because Orks".

I personally miss the older fluff behind the Orks, where they were the galaxy's obnoxious neighbors who were on a centuries long PCP and LSD bender and were watching the Mad Max films on endless repeat. Where it took decades, if not centuries, for the Orks to get strong enough for there to be a Waaaagh, but when the Waaaagh finally happened, it was a huge deal.

The idea of an Ork Waaaaaagh going toe to toe with a Tyranid hive fleet in a "Let's see who runs out of guys first" contest is pretty cartoony, even for Orks and 40K.

It'd also be incredibly boring, as both forces are self sustaining and perfectly matched for each other. Entropy will take the universe before that fight ends.

Xenology (the book) states that when an ork cell is removed from a corpse, it changes from a cell to a spore, and rapidly starts to divide.

The new ork fluff also doesn't state anything specific about how ork teknology works. Nothing about 'cause orkses believe it must work'. Just says it's crude but effective. That's actually not bad cause the miracle approach was quite annoying like it's now with ork's reproduction.

Maybe i'm an old fart but i really liked the style with which the 4-th ed fluff was written.

"Badly wounded and out of cigars, Kaptin' Badruk had to withdraw" - that's brilliant!

And just remember Grotsnik's history [http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grotsnik]. Also, old killa kanz and deff dread pages.

The new codex' fluff lacks this spark. It's now at the same entertainment level as reading how another space marine chapter heroically won all their foes.

 koooaei wrote:
The new ork fluff also doesn't state anything specific about how ork teknology works. Nothing about 'cause orkses believe it must work'. Just says it's crude but effective. That's actually not bad cause the miracle approach was quite annoying like it's now with ork's reproduction.

Maybe i'm an old fart but i really liked the style with which the 4-th ed fluff was written.

"Badly wounded and out of cigars, Kaptin' Badruk had to withdraw" - that's brilliant!

And just remember Grotsnik's history [http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grotsnik]. Also, old killa kanz and deff dread pages.

The new codex' fluff lacks this spark. It's now at the same entertainment level as reading how another space marine chapter heroically won all their foes.

I completely agree with this. One of the things I absolutely love about the 4th ed book is the various entries.

Things like "A Warboss will lay claim to all he surveys, and beat the daylights out of anyone who says otherwise," "Boyz are the rank and file Orks of a warband - rank being the operative word!" "Burnas love burning other peoples things, and the owners into the bargain," and so many more were just wonderfully written. Literally every 'fluff' entry for a unit is both informative, interesting, and bloody hilarious. I literally cannot read Grotsnick's story, or even the Painboy background, without laughing.

I know some of the stuff made it into the new codex, but it's just not the same. It very literally feels like we lost the soul of our book. =/

Nothing about 'cause orkses believe it must work'.

Because that has never been literally true. It's from an Imperial perspective, which is very humano-centric (entirely so) in its understanding of technology.

So a Tech-Priest looks at an Ork weapon. Finds that it is not designed as a Human weapon. Therefore, assumes it is "Xenos Magic!!!" that allows it to function, because Xenos could not possibly design something that is mechanically functional.

 Psienesis wrote:

Nothing about 'cause orkses believe it must work'.

Because that has never been literally true. It's from an Imperial perspective, which is very humano-centric (entirely so) in its understanding of technology.

So a Tech-Priest looks at an Ork weapon. Finds that it is not designed as a Human weapon. Therefore, assumes it is "Xenos Magic!!!" that allows it to function, because Xenos could not possibly design something that is mechanically functional.

Now that's totally not true. Tech-Priests don't discribe any other faction's weapons like a miracle even if they don't know exactly what technology makes it functioning. It's just the numerous occasions on which scavanged ork weaponry failed to work in human hands.

An ork boy makes it to a 'uman trench and runs around shooting his slugga left and right and gets a lazgun shot right through his brain and drops a slugga next to a guardsman who's lazgun battery is down, so he picks up an ork slugga and tries to shoot it at an upcoming new wave of orks. He aims, barely pulls a rusty trigger, holding a pistol with both hands, but the slugga makes a *cling* sound and nothing else happens. He throws it away and picks up an out-of ammo lazgun preparing to fight with a bayonet. Afterwards, this very slugga is passed to a techpriest that investigates it and comes to a conclusion that it's design is simple and crude but doesn't allow for it to phisically function. Nevertheless, every single guardsman, who managed to survive the fight, claims that a simple ork boy used it to kill their comrades and suckseeded. Thus, a techpriest comes to a logical conclusion, that there's something other than phisique standing behind ork technology.
Nope, an ork can't shoot bullets out of nowhere. Ork's weaponry constantly misfires and jams. But if this very piece of wargear, that made a shot and jammed for an ork, would be given to a non-ork, it'd just plain jam without shooting. At least according to 4-th ed fluff.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about it. The fluff behind magical bonk-spawning Orks wasn't really very well thought out, so you have to take it with the same grain of salt that you do everything else Orky. The answer is "Because Orks".

I personally miss the older fluff behind the Orks, where they were the galaxy's obnoxious neighbors who were on a centuries long PCP and LSD bender and were watching the Mad Max films on endless repeat. Where it took decades, if not centuries, for the Orks to get strong enough for there to be a Waaaagh, but when the Waaaagh finally happened, it was a huge deal.

The idea of an Ork Waaaaaagh going toe to toe with a Tyranid hive fleet in a "Let's see who runs out of guys first" contest is pretty cartoony, even for Orks and 40K.

It'd also be incredibly boring, as both forces are self sustaining and perfectly matched for each other. Entropy will take the universe before that fight ends.

I like the sound of that. Sounds like an Ork victory.