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Sigvatr wrote: Relevant to the thread because she claimed to be in favor of feminism. If the aforementioned bears truth, then she ashames all women in the gaming business.
One of the most pernicious things about the -isms is how people are perfectly willing to take the actions of an individual and use them to generalize. I suppose I should make a broad & sweeping statement here...but I won't. Instead, I'll encourage all of you to leave judgmental gendered labels out of your posts, for fear of losing access to the OT.
When we encounter some of the more extreme displays of sexism on the internet, are the writers expressing their sincere beliefs, or is something else going on?
To me , a lot of it comes off as desperate attempts to get attention, like yelling "Fire!" in a movie theater....not excusing the behavior, just wondering what's really behind it.
It is confirmed, however, that she slept with someone else despite being married, so she's a s*** anyway.
Is she married to you? If not, then it's not your fething business who she sleeps with! (And it would probably be better, if you'd never call anyone by that word, stars or no stars. It is pretty misogynistic word.)
It is confirmed, however, that she slept with someone else despite being married, so she's a s*** anyway.
Is she married to you? If not, then it's not your fething business who she sleeps with! (And it would probably be better, if you'd never call anyone by that word, stars or no stars. It is pretty misogynistic word.)
You don't think that promiscuous activity should be looked down on by society? I'm pretty sure it's generally still considered to be a "bad thing" by most people.
You don't think that promiscuous activity should be looked down on by society? I'm pretty sure it's generally still considered to be a "bad thing" by most people.
Especially if it is done by women! A man with many sexual partners is a stud, a woman with many sexual partners is a slut! This is just one bs way many men try to police female sexuality.
You don't think that promiscuous activity should be looked down on by society? I'm pretty sure it's generally still considered to be a "bad thing" by most people.
Frankly, no. It shouldn't. There's a HUUUGE double standard out there now where if a guy sleeps with a bunch of random girls, his buddies will high five, and say "right on bro" (or something like that)... but for some reason this EXACT SAME activity is frowned upon when it's a woman doing it? (I've used this logic to get a girl to sleep with me once)
You don't think that promiscuous activity should be looked down on by society? I'm pretty sure it's generally still considered to be a "bad thing" by most people.
Frankly, no. It shouldn't. There's a HUUUGE double standard out there now where if a guy sleeps with a bunch of random girls, his buddies will high five, and say "right on bro" (or something like that)... but for some reason this EXACT SAME activity is frowned upon when it's a woman doing it? (I've used this logic to get a girl to sleep with me once)
I think this double standard is somewhat of a red herring. If a guy is sleeping with numerous random women, I am more inclined to think his body is riddled with STDs than that he's worthy of any special praise.
You don't think that promiscuous activity should be looked down on by society? I'm pretty sure it's generally still considered to be a "bad thing" by most people.
Especially if it is done by women! A man with many sexual partners is a stud, a woman with many sexual partners is a slut! This is just one bs way many men try to police female sexuality.
I never said anything of the sort, so I'll repeat my question, more clearly so you can't straw-man your way out of it.
Is it okay to look down on people who sleep around while in a relationship? Yes or no?
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Is it okay to look down on people who sleep around while in a relationship? Yes or no?
No, not really. You do not know what sort of arrangement or situation they have with their partner and it really isn't your business.
Well I guess that's fair enough. It also means that we have little left to discuss if you don't believe in what I regard to be basic moral tenets.
Well perhaps you could clarify a bit. What exactly makes having fun with your genitals evil?
Like, someone stabs a bro. Sticks a knife in a bro. Bro feels pain. Bro dies. Bro is like, totally deprived of his life and rights ya know what I'm saying.
Like, woman goes out and looks to have sex. Gets something that isn't a knife stuck in her. Woman feels pleasure. Woman enjoys herself. Woman is not like deprived of her life or any rights or nothin'.
I'm super-duper totally open that to the idea (excessive?) sex is like.. "bad mmmkay", I'm just wondering basis for it. Like what's the line causation of here. Like if we were to work backwards from the sex, to like the fundamental essence of what makes right and wrong.. what are the steps we take and what is that essence?
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Ouze wrote: You mean,basic like "Judge not, and you shall not be judged."?
I am pretty certain that, in Western culture (outside of France), cheating on your significant other is a tabboo and is looked down upon by people and society. Adultary is generally up there with theft, assault, etc. To my mind, anyway. Maybe I'm old fashioned
I am pretty certain that, in Western culture (outside of France), cheating on your significant other is a tabboo and is looked down upon by people and society. Adultary is generally up there with theft, assault, etc. To my mind, anyway. Maybe I'm old fashioned
Assault! Hell no! Are you sure you're not talking about middle-eastern culture instead of western culture? (Hint: assault, theft and adultery, two of these are a crimes in every western country, while one is not a crime in any of them.)
Besides, whilst I generally think that breaking your promises is a bad thing, there are a lot of lousy relationships where the one partner might not for various reasons feel beholden to their promise to not sleep with other people. And more importantly, there are plenty of people who have open relationship, and thus sleeping around is not cheating for them. I really wouldn't feel comfortable judging some random people which I know next to nothing about.
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It's not illegal, and it's their body with which to do as they please - within the law. It might be looked down on, but so are many, many other things, and they have every right to do it regardless.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
I am pretty certain that, in Western culture (outside of France), cheating on your significant other is a tabboo and is looked down upon by people and society. Adultary is generally up there with theft, assault, etc. To my mind, anyway. Maybe I'm old fashioned
Assault! Hell no! Are you sure you're not talking about middle-eastern culture instead of western culture? (Hint: assault, theft and adultery, two of these are a crimes in every western country, while one is not a crime in any of them.)
Besides, whilst I generally think that breaking your promises is a bad thing, there are a lot of lousy relationships where the one partner might not for various reasons feel beholden to their promise to not sleep with other people. And more importantly, there are plenty of people who have open relationship, and thus sleeping around is not cheating for them. I really wouldn't feel comfortable judging some random people which I know next to nothing about.
Assault can have mitigating circumstances too. If I beat someone up because he beat up my little brother, is that morally worse than cheating on my loving and faithful girlfriend?
Adultary leads directly to family breakup and plumetting life chances for any kids in the relationship, as well as huge emotional damage to the cheated partner. It is an activity that causes a huge amount of suffering for many people involved, so I have no doubts whatsoever about labeling it a morally abhorant activity.
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That's OK, I doubt anyone involved was looking for your stamp of approval.
I think adultery is definitely secondary to unsolicited, judgemental moralizing of other people's lawful personal activities that don't impact you at all, taboo-wise.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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Assault can have mitigating circumstances too. If I beat someone up because he beat up my little brother, is that morally worse than cheating on my loving and faithful girlfriend?
I'm not sure how it being a revenge beating makes it any better than some other beating. You get that revenge is, is wrong right? Like you don't get to do gakky things to people purely for the sake of doing gakky things to them, just because they did gakky things to you. You like... understand... that... right... I hope?
Assault can have mitigating circumstances too. If I beat someone up because he beat up my little brother, is that morally worse than cheating on my loving and faithful girlfriend?
I'm not sure how it being a revenge beating makes it any better than some other beating. You get that revenge is, is wrong right? Like you don't get to do gakky things to people purely for the sake of doing gakky things to them, just because they did gakky things to you. You like... understand... that... right... I hope?
KommissarKarl wrote: Adultary leads directly to family breakup and plumetting life chances for any kids in the relationship, as well as huge emotional damage to the cheated partner. It is an activity that causes a huge amount of suffering for many people involved, so I have no doubts whatsoever about labeling it a morally abhorant activity.
No, adultery can lead to a family break up by way of divorce, the consequences of which are often what causes any trouble for children and exacerbate emotional and mental damage to either or both parents due to having to dramatically change their lifestyles. It should be noted, however, that a divorce itself usually does not lead to these issues, and what does is how the divorce is handled by the parties involved. It's easy to say that out of X many divorces, Y numbers of children experienced Z numbers of issues, but correlation does not equal causation, and those issues will likely have come from the parents' inability to handle the situation and not simply from the fact that there was a divorce; plenty of well-handled divorces end perfectly well for all parties, children included. To say that adultery directly leads to anything you listed is inaccurate to say the least.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
What i get from all this is sexism is subjective, some ladies would be offended, while others would take it as a compliment of being called attractive.
About sleeping around, it is a thing between the husband and wife to solve, still in this society when a women sleeps around it is ridiculed while a bro gets no flak for it, same with age difference between male and female partners. There is this strange opposition when a female is (much) older than her partner, but not when it is the other way around.
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Avatar 720 wrote:
KommissarKarl wrote: Adultary leads directly to family breakup and plumetting life chances for any kids in the relationship, as well as huge emotional damage to the cheated partner. It is an activity that causes a huge amount of suffering for many people involved, so I have no doubts whatsoever about labeling it a morally abhorant activity.
No, adultery can lead to a family break up by way of divorce, the consequences of which are often what causes any trouble for children and exacerbate emotional and mental damage to either or both parents due to having to dramatically change their lifestyles. It should be noted, however, that a divorce itself usually does not lead to these issues, and what does is how the divorce is handled by the parties involved. It's easy to say that out of X many divorces, Y numbers of children experienced Z numbers of issues, but correlation does not equal causation, and those issues will likely have come from the parents' inability to handle the situation and not simply from the fact that there was a divorce; plenty of well-handled divorces end perfectly well for all parties, children included. To say that adultery directly leads to anything you listed is inaccurate to say the least.
My parents divorced when I was five or something, I am mentally well. Mostly. Of course, that is only anecdotal. You are correct in that it depends entirely on what the parents make of it.
Frazzled wrote:Sexism is stupid. A female... divine.
When I got to this page of the thread I was preparing to make a number of responses. However Crimson has largely beaten me to most of them, and for that I thank him.
When we encounter some of the more extreme displays of sexism on the internet, are the writers expressing their sincere beliefs, or is something else going on?
To me , a lot of it comes off as desperate attempts to get attention, like yelling "Fire!" in a movie theater....not excusing the behavior, just wondering what's really behind it.
I think this nails it, right here. It reminds me of people I see who couldn't get a date if their life depended on it, and this is their way to get noticed by the opposite sex.
KommissarKarl wrote: Is it okay to look down on people who sleep around while in a relationship? Yes or no?
I'm going to go with option c) "It depends".
This might be a shocker, but there's more than one type of relationship. If they were in an open relationship or similar then I'd only expect you to look down on them if you also looked down on them for using handcuffs in bed or doing it with the lights on. (which based on the rest of your posts, I'm getting the impression that you actually might. wow.)
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