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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 04:52:40
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Hi what's better and why?
back story to this question:
I am going to be playing a 1500pts game soon with my eldar army. I am torn between two hq choices: the avatar and eldrad. The game is going to be against imperial guard. There is going to be a command benefit that allows heavy support choices to fire +1 shot from each of their guns. So you can imagine it's going to be a tough game for me. I was thinking the avatar because he can take out tanks from close range and would be a good tag team partner for my wraithlord. Also being immuine to melta is going to be nice because he will no doubt be taking a lot of small arms from platoons probably carrying meltas.
Then I got my eldrad model in the mail. He clearly plays a very different role from the avatar. Allowing d3+1 redeployed units intrigues me. Also he is gauranteed to get the 12" stealth bubble to help me survive the first turn of shooting. Since I'm expecting a lot of tanks with big guns shooting TWICE at me, surviving the first turn is definitely a priority. He'll also probably be guiding the reapers and (hopefully) fortuning them as well.
Here's the rest of my list:
11xguardians: eml platform
3xjetbike: shuriken cannon
wraithguard with d-scythes in waveserpent (scatter lasers, holofield, cannon)
crimson hunter exarch with bright lances
6 dark reapers: starshots, exarch, missile launcher, fast shot
fire prism: holofields
wraithlord: two bright lances
so what fits better into this list? Avatar or eldrad? i was also considering a normal farseer with warlocks for the jetbike squad and guardian squad
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 07:04:59
Subject: Re:Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Araqiel
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Sadly the avatar just doesn't have the mobility for it, eldrad would be my choice for the psychic benefit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 07:40:06
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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I would take Eldrad. Psychic buffs are fun!
Seriously, with forewarning or invisibility your army will survive longer.
And btw, how about giving BL to your Guardians instead?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 13:19:29
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I have no more bright lances in my collection :/ Another thing is that the mission is to capture objectives (6 of them) that are scoring vps every turn. So I don't know if thats better for avatar or eldrad
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 14:44:48
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Eldrad. Guiding those extra shot dark reapers in priceless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 18:20:11
Subject: Re:Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Fixture of Dakka
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One psyker is going to be painfully unreliable. They're terrible in a vacuum, unless you're prepared to get off fewer than 50% of your possible spells. If your opponent has more mastery levels than you, it's even worse.
Your army only has one thing that can deal with units that get stuck in with your army. A single wraithlord isn't going to help much in that situation. Some because one just isn't that good at anything, but mostly because he'll probably be dead. An Avatar would not only be another one of those types of units, but also further split fire.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 19:55:01
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Third option, two far seers. I dont really see a place for either an avatar or eldrad, i think eldrads main use is in footdar armies, alongside an avatar or other farseer with some big things like lords or knights strolling up the table.
2 farseers is about the same cost as eldrad
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 21:15:09
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I like Eldrad for the job more than the avatar.
With the potential firepower you'll be facing from that special rule you mentioned, first turn survivability is going to be vital and being able to redeploy your reapers, guardians, and potentially also wraithlord is definitely worth it on top of all the support he brings to your army to help keep you in the fight and fighting beyond your normal potential.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 21:55:04
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Agile Revenant Titan
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chadbrochill17 wrote:Third option, two far seers. I dont really see a place for either an avatar or eldrad, i think eldrads main use is in footdar armies, alongside an avatar or other farseer with some big things like lords or knights strolling up the table.
2 farseers is about the same cost as eldrad
2 farseers is a much superior option. I would have suggested it also, but the way he said made it seem like it was one or the other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 22:36:57
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Tunneling Trygon
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Yeah, the Avatar is antiquated at this point. I jumped into Eldar with the sole intention of taking the Avatar and it's since been cut from any of my lists. It just doesn't have the mobility to survive compared to the rest of the list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/21 22:46:34
Subject: Eldrad vs Avatar for sole hq choice
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Regular Dakkanaut
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SharkoutofWata wrote:Yeah, the Avatar is antiquated at this point. I jumped into Eldar with the sole intention of taking the Avatar and it's since been cut from any of my lists. It just doesn't have the mobility to survive compared to the rest of the list.
There is a strong eldar list in footdar that uses the avatar, it is an option if you really want to use the avatar.
I find the avatar is something you have to build your army around rather than most of our HQ choices that compliment the rest of the army.
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