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2014/08/29 00:00:29
Subject: Re:Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
You finally said something honest about her and you. Everything before and after were crap, but one honest moment is good.
Saying people shouldn't make death threats is crap?
When bad things happen to people you don't care for, are you often sympathetic? I can rationalize that it's not ok to threaten violence against anyone, that doesn't shut off the side of me that thinks "well at least she made a buck".
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Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
2014/08/29 00:05:23
Subject: Re:Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
My favourite thing about anita is her propensity whilst railing against "women as victims" in video games is to use the same schtick herself to get publicity. Does she realise the innate humour of this action? I doubt it.
Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
2014/08/29 00:15:37
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Death threats are bad mmmmk
Calling the cops is the right thing to do.
Going on the internet to say you're not home is bad mmmmk
it's professional acting the victim and letting others know the house is empty so come rob it. It could also impede the polices efforts to catch the person making the threats. As she's just told the people who made the threats, it worked, and she called the cops.
2014/08/29 00:18:46
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Some big man should really go in and rescue her. After a prolonged montage of gearing up with guns and knives and tactical gear.
And armor whiter than the sun. Just remember. You move in an L
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jreilly89 wrote: Pretty sure those two arguments are wildly different.
“A lot of video games include situations where a female character is powerless and must wait rescue from a male character” → Show tons of examples of games with this happening.
“A lot of movies include scenes with characters wearing red clothes” → Show tons of examples of movies with this happening.
Seems legit to me.
jreilly89 wrote: Then by that same notion I am allowed to call her all manner of insults and disprove her theories without any actual evidence.
You are allowed to rant. But not on Dakka, we have a set of rules over here. Also not likely the best of idea.
jreilly89 wrote: If you're going to talk about tropes, how about main characters who are white?
Because:
a) that does not fit the definition of a trope, as far as I can tell, and most importantly
b) that is not what she told she was going to do when she asked for funds.
But do not misunderstand this as meaning it is not useful to raise awareness on that. Please, do some videos on it!
jreilly89 wrote: The second part? Guess what? Pong, Moonlanding, Pitfall, all the historical video games without the damsel trope!
Pong is the only one the mainstream audience might maybe recognize. Mario will be recognized every time. But there are tons of other games using that trope, including very good ones that I really like. For instance Earthworm Jim.
I said that something else than “every video game use the damsel in distress” is completely true. How do you get to twist my meaning into “every video game use the damsel in distress” is completely true ?
jreilly89 wrote: I feel by that right I could claim a million games as mysogynistic because I am killing women.
A trope can be misogynistic/problematic without all the games using that trope being misogynistic/problematic. See, the problem is not on any specific application of the trope. The problem is on it being so recurrent.
For instance, I am pretty sure no-one wants black characters to be always magically immune to death. But still, when the black guy dies first every. single. time. ever, there is a problem.
jreilly89 wrote: and is genuinely sexist. A lot of her comments do come off as misandric and offensive.
Uh, what?
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SneakyMek wrote: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Voltaire
That was not actually Voltaire.
The most oft-cited Voltaire quotation is apocryphal. He is incorrectly credited with writing, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." These were not his words, but rather those of Evelyn Beatrice Hall, written under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre in her 1906 biographical book The Friends of Voltaire. Hall intended to summarize in her own words Voltaire's attitude towards Claude Adrien Helvétius and his controversial book De l'esprit, but her first-person expression was mistaken for an actual quotation from Voltaire. Her interpretation does capture the spirit of Voltaire's attitude towards Helvetius; it had been said Hall's summary was inspired by a quotation found in a 1770 Voltaire letter to an Abbot le Riche, in which he was reported to have said, "I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write." Nevertheless, scholars believe there must have again been misinterpretation, as the letter does not seem to contain any such quote.
Melissia wrote: In fact, a better summary is that third-wave feminism incorporates the needs of women of color and the anti-racism movement, along with the needs of lesbians and trans*women in the LGBTQ rights movement, and other minority groups such as women of non-Christian faiths and the like
Trying to reconcile faith, Christian or not, with feminism, when most religions have very, very deep misogynistic roots .
Well, I guess that could work for Hindus, they do have pretty cool goddess at least.
Anyhow, I never really understood that whole feminism wave system, or the need for it, and never really cared about it either. If I think it is a good thing, I do not need to know whether it is first wave, second wave, third wave, new wave, darkwave, batcave or deathrock. And neither do I if it is a bad thing.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/29 01:58:40
Subject: Re:Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Some big man should really go in and rescue her. After a prolonged montage of gearing up with guns and knives and tactical gear.
And armor whiter than the sun. Just remember. You move in an L
Don't make him attractive though, that's sexist. Thinning hariline, overweight and late 40's should help sell our hero to the masses.
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Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
2014/08/29 00:29:32
Subject: Re:Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Some big man should really go in and rescue her. After a prolonged montage of gearing up with guns and knives and tactical gear.
And armor whiter than the sun. Just remember. You move in an L
Don't make him attractive though, that's sexist. Thinning hariline, overweight and late 40's should help sell our hero to the masses.
I wouldn't go and save her, unless she first:
asked for help, signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.
2014/08/29 00:30:12
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
SneakyMek wrote: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Voltaire
That was not actually Voltaire.
The most oft-cited Voltaire quotation is apocryphal. He is incorrectly credited with writing, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." These were not his words, but rather those of Evelyn Beatrice Hall, written under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre in her 1906 biographical book The Friends of Voltaire. Hall intended to summarize in her own words Voltaire's attitude towards Claude Adrien Helvétius and his controversial book De l'esprit, but her first-person expression was mistaken for an actual quotation from Voltaire. Her interpretation does capture the spirit of Voltaire's attitude towards Helvetius; it had been said Hall's summary was inspired by a quotation found in a 1770 Voltaire letter to an Abbot le Riche, in which he was reported to have said, "I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write." Nevertheless, scholars believe there must have again been misinterpretation, as the letter does not seem to contain any such quote.
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Some big man should really go in and rescue her. After a prolonged montage of gearing up with guns and knives and tactical gear.
"Its a preparation montage... MONTAGE!..."
Ironic though really, living out the trope she is "fighting against". If someone where to really threaten her, you think the best solution is to contact the authorities and then ignore it Thats the sensible thing to do and more importantly its what most people would do. But of course, that gets no attention and more importantly no fame/cash.
Makes me wonder why I work everyday, when instead I can reduce myself to this kind of filth and get paid for it. I could get a second home with the money she got for doing her half arsed videos, which discussed nothing new or informative. Im still kicking myself on the fact I missed the chance to get cash to make a potato salad on kickstarter! But at least he was honest about his intentions (that im aware of anyway), and it was actually intertaining.
I actually dont know whats worse, her, or her fans/supporters. Its giving fuel to an attention seeking child. I find it hard to have sympathy for the her, when its exactly what she wants. I dont think death threats are ok, but I dont think being a drama queen is ok either.
Just ignore the thing, and it will disappear. It doesnt want that. It wants to grow, grow off the attention its harvesting and it knows exactly how to do it...
2014/08/29 00:39:47
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Swastakowey wrote: If someone where to really threaten her, you think the best solution is to contact the authorities and then ignore it
The only sensible thing about this is "contact the authorities". The other part is really bad advice.
If people think they're getting a credible threat from someone, ignoring it is NEVER a good idea.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/08/29 00:41:30
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Swastakowey wrote: If someone where to really threaten her, you think the best solution is to contact the authorities and then ignore it
The only sensible thing about this is "contact the authorities". The other part is stupid.
So you think its a great idea to proclaim to the masses.
"its ok, I have gone to my friends house"
Instead of not replying and giving them the pleasure?
I hope most people, would simply ignore, what are essentially trolls.
Better off alerting the authorities then ignoring them. Unless the authorities advise otherwise. Obviously, this is the not fame whoring way of doing things though.
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2014/08/29 00:41:54
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Psienesis wrote: If a dude slept with a lady reviewer and got five stars on his game, no one would bat a freakin' eye.
Speak for yourself. I batted an eye.
Assuming that the ex boyfriend's story is true...The men involved in the "Quinnspiracy" are all ****holes, cheating on their own wives or partners, with a girl who was (apparently) still in a relationship with her boyfriend (all the while telling said boyfriend that she still loved him and wanted to save their relationship) therefore violating her own (apparently) self expressed principles and views on cheating ( "Having sex with your partner whilst you're cheating on him with others is sex under false pretences and therefore "Rape" ").
Add to that allegations of nepotism - sex for favours with journalists who apparently completely lack professional integrity (if true) - and a bitter ex boyfriend publicising sordid details of private relationships and allegations of professional misconduct.
NOBODY involved in this scandal came out with their reputation and integrity intact.
2014/08/29 01:16:48
Subject: Re:Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
The splash page alone makes me assume that video is worthless trash.
It doesn't disappoint.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/08/29 01:21:13
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Psienesis wrote: If a dude slept with a lady reviewer and got five stars on his game, no one would bat a freakin' eye.
Speak for yourself. I batted an eye.
Assuming that the ex boyfriend's story is true...The men involved in the "Quinnspiracy" are all ****holes, cheating on their own wives or partners, with a girl who was (apparently) still in a relationship with her boyfriend (all the while telling said boyfriend that she still loved him and wanted to save their relationship) therefore violating her own (apparently) self expressed principles and views on cheating ( "Having sex with your partner whilst you're cheating on him with others is sex under false pretences and therefore "Rape" ").
Add to that allegations of nepotism - sex for favours with journalists who apparently completely lack professional integrity (if true) - and a bitter ex boyfriend publicising sordid details of private relationships and allegations of professional misconduct.
NOBODY involved in this scandal came out with their reputation and integrity intact.
Oh abso-fething-lutely, but that doesn't mean I have to say nice things about Quinn just because she is a girl does it?
I mean gak, I think she sounds like a really disgusting hypocrite, but I think I would almost rate the boyfriend worse!
To take the time, to make that huge blog, I mean, It sounded like he was genuinely hurt, but what a sad bastard. If my missus started banging all the neighbors I would be upset for a few days, and then find a better partner and move on with my fething life. All of that time and effort just to spite your ex.. It makes him look almost as big of a gakker as her, lets have it said. There is absolutely no need to air all that dirty laundry in public, no matter what she did.
So I would say even he looks awful, not to mention Quinn and the other fethers!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2014/08/29 01:26:45
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Melissia wrote: The splash page alone makes me assume that video is worthless trash.
It doesn't disappoint.
Sounding a bit toxic there.
... says the guy that links a video whose splash page depicts someone as a militant screaming nazi in the style of wartime propaganda posters.
There's nothing respectable about the video you linked.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/08/29 01:27:50
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Melissia wrote: The splash page alone makes me assume that video is worthless trash.
It doesn't disappoint.
Why, doesn't suit your narrative?
You are exactly the sort of person that they are criticising.
Quick to resort to abuse and ad hominem. Anything that doesn't fit your preconceptions and narrative is "trash". You don't even bother to refute the arguments made in the video, you just dismiss it out of hand.
Clearly you're not interested in honest, civil debate.
2014/08/29 01:28:45
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Melissia wrote: The splash page alone makes me assume that video is worthless trash.
It doesn't disappoint.
Why, doesn't suit your narrative?
You are exactly the sort of person that they are criticising.
Quick to resort to abuse and ad hominem. Anything that doesn't fit your preconceptions and narrative is "trash". You don't even bother to refute the arguments made in the video, you just dismiss it out of hand.
Clearly you're not interested in honest, civil debate.
No no her pleasant demeanor is totally winning me over...
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Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
2014/08/29 01:31:37
Subject: Re:Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
You're being hypocritical here, supporting a video that starts off with ad hominem attacks, and then turning around and accusing others of doing the same, all the while doing so yourself as well.
I don't understand why you feel the need to ask this question.
Crablezworth wrote: No no her pleasant demeanor is totally winning me over...
Right, because accusing people of being "feminazis" is totally pleasant, whereas saying "this video isn't respectable" is utterly unpleasant and despicable.
Your double standard is showing.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/08/29 01:35:15
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Melissia wrote: ... says the guy that links a video whose splash page depicts someone as a militant screaming nazi in the style of wartime propaganda posters.
I think it is supposed to be a reference to Sergent Hartman:
The backdrop evokes Japan, and the arms evokes the USSR to me, for some reason.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/29 01:35:45
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Melissia wrote: ... says the guy that links a video whose splash page depicts someone as a militant screaming nazi in the style of wartime propaganda posters.
I think it is supposed to be a reference to Sergent Hartman:
The backdrop evokes Japan, and the arms evokes the USSR to me, for some reason.
That's not any better.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/08/29 01:38:14
Subject: Re:Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Right, because accusing people of being "feminazis" is totally pleasant, whereas saying "this video isn't respectable" is utterly unpleasant and despicable.
Your double standard is showing.
The splash page alone makes me assume that video is worthless trash.
It doesn't disappoint.
Respectable huh?
Double Standards indeed.
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2014/08/29 01:38:42
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
I did not meant it was. It is just that the uniform screams US army, so I was confused about that nazi stuff, and wanted to clarify.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/29 01:42:17
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
You're being hypocritical here, supporting a video that starts off with ad hominem attacks, and then turning around and accusing others of doing the same, all the while doing so yourself as well.
I don't understand why you feel the need to ask this question.
Crablezworth wrote: No no her pleasant demeanor is totally winning me over...
Right, because accusing people of being "feminazis" is totally pleasant, whereas saying "this video isn't respectable" is utterly unpleasant and despicable.
Your double standard is showing.
I don't recall calling you anything of the sort. You called a lengthy video you didn't watch useless trash because of a splash page, you literally judged something by its cover. You seem like the perfect individual to educate others on tolerance... perhaps you can show me how to put out a fire with gas too.
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Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
2014/08/29 01:44:43
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Since I'm not interested in talking about me, which apparently this conversation is now shifting towards being about, I'm going to go play warframe instead.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/08/29 01:50:18
Subject: Sarkeesian driven out of home by online abuse and death threats
Good game then. Personally I cannot play Strife because of maintenance on the servers :(.
(That was rather OT, sorry about that…)
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
