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As usual, these threads end with the known established fronts and people being one inch away of calling each other names.

The saddest thing, however, is that a lot of people don't even seem to realise when they - or others of "their side" - are deliberately escalating the debate by posting silly remarks or videos they think are "fun" but are in the end intended chiefly to offend and troll. I guess that's how it works nowadays in the internet - especially with this topic - but in the end, it just means that the cycle will continue.

See y'all here again next week?

 Lynata wrote:

jreilly89 wrote:Yeah, the comments she would receive are plenty vulgar, but outright blocking them seems a bit much.

Nonsense. We're talking about Youtupe. Fethin' Youtube. Do you honestly, really believe you can have a civilised discussion there? Because I've seen plenty of evidence that you won't.

Totalbiscuit is blocking comments on his own videos as well, for the very same reason. I suppose that means we should flame him now as well.
Of course that won't happen, because he's not attacking somethings which an alarmingly large number of people seem to hold so dear that they have to resort to witch hunts and death threats.

This was pre death threats, back when she had just released her kickstarted videos. And it wasn't just Youtube, it was Twitter. She was refusing to take any criticism from anyone, even her own kickstarters. I have nothing against/know nothing about TB, so I refuse to say.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Basically 7:45 is a great starting point

That was a good video, the point about male gamers becoming more aware of gender equality really came as a shock to me.

who'd have thought 4 cartoons could make some valid points. I'm off to find the reason magazine with that article.

 Melissia wrote:
Since I'm not interested in talking about me, which apparently this conversation is now shifting towards being about, I'm going to go play warframe instead.

Don't want people to comment and criticise your demeanor and attitude? Then try not being so belligerent.

 Lynata wrote:
As usual, these threads end with the known established fronts and people being one inch away of calling each other names.

The saddest thing, however, is that a lot of people don't even seem to realise when they - or others of "their side" - are deliberately escalating the debate by posting silly remarks or videos they think are "fun" but are in the end intended chiefly to offend and troll. I guess that's how it works nowadays in the internet - especially with this topic - but in the end, it just means that the cycle will continue.

See y'all here again next week?

Did you watch the video? I didn't see any trolling in it myself, or hear any for that matter. It seems odd to lament balkanisation or people "taking sides" while seemingly taking a side. And specifically at 7:45 they're not talking about anita, they're talking about Dan Slott, an individual who was harrased and it ended up netting them a good payday.

I must be crazy but the chechire cat studio people don't seem too out there or hate filled. I'm really not seeing it.

jreilly89 wrote:This was pre death threats, back when she had just released her kickstarted videos.

Uh, I know. How does this change anything?

Here's a small sample from back when she posted her initial kickstarter:



So excuse me for not seeing what purpose an open comment section could possibly have, except for being a platform for the delivery of unbridled hate and misogyny.
Though I suppose that in a way this serves as evidence in its own right, mhm?

Crablezworth wrote:Did you watch the video?

Nope, not with that preview image. Feel free to poke me again if you find a video that doesn't evoke the impression of a massive bias right away.

 Lynata wrote:

Crablezworth wrote:Did you watch the video?

Nope, not with that preview image. Feel free to poke me again if you find a video that doesn't evoke the impression of a massive bias right away.

That seems a bit prejudicial no? Isn't part of discussion and debate seeing what the other side has to say?

Its worth noting that 24 hours after her threats she posted this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504704140904505344

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Its worth noting that 24 hours after her threats she posted this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504704140904505344

lol, stay classy anita.

 Lynata wrote:
The saddest thing, however, is that a lot of people don't even seem to realise when they - or others of "their side" - are deliberately escalating the debate by posting silly remarks or videos they think are "fun" but are in the end intended chiefly to offend and troll.

I hope that is not my Sarge Hartman video you are talking about.

 Lynata wrote:
So excuse me for not seeing what purpose an open comment section could possibly have, except for being a platform for the delivery of unbridled hate and misogyny.
Though I suppose that in a way this serves as evidence in its own right, mhm?

Well, it's up to individual youtube users whether they wish to allow comments but silencing people because they might say something "bad" or simply something you don't like isn't great for fostering discussion. Did you perceive every commentor as hateful? Did you see a single case of valid criticism?

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Its worth noting that 24 hours after her threats she posted this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504704140904505344

lol, stay classy anita.

She followed that up with her video that has had the slowest start for her 37,000 views in 3 days compared to hundred thousands.

If you want a fun look into Anita look up her relation to Bart Baggert

 Crablezworth wrote:
Well, it's up to individual youtube users whether they wish to allow comments but silencing people because they might say something "bad" or simply something you don't like isn't great for fostering discussion. Did you perceive every commentor as hateful? Did you see a single case of valid criticism?

Hey, I am going to bring some trash collectors in front of your house, and then discharge all of the trash in your garden. Do not worry though: in the trash, I will add one or two very beautiful pearl. Is that not going to be awesome, having those very beautiful pearls hidden under tons of trash in front of your house?

That is basically how your comment reads to me. But yeah, blocking people is a sure way to get some of them very angry .

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Its worth noting that 24 hours after her threats she posted this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504704140904505344

Typical. I was waiting for the bit where she cashes in on the event.

Why anyone would give money to her instead of to the homeless or anyone else who genuinely needs it is baffling to me. Useless waste of resources and efforts. The only good thing that comes from this women is the entertaining troll comments. And its not worth 160,000 USD + donations to see that, especially when the I can find those on many other You Tube Videos.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Well, it's up to individual youtube users whether they wish to allow comments but silencing people because they might say something "bad" or simply something you don't like isn't great for fostering discussion. Did you perceive every commentor as hateful? Did you see a single case of valid criticism?

Hey, I am going to bring some trash collectors in front of your house, and then discharge all of the trash in your garden. Do not worry though: in the trash, I will add one or two very beautiful pearl. Is that not going to be awesome, having those very beautiful pearls hidden under tons of trash in front of your house?

That is basically how your comment reads to me. But yeah, blocking people is a sure way to get some of them very angry .

Is it not ironic that a good portion of those terrible commentors actually helped in the end to make her both a houseshold name in gaming and half a mortgage on a house?

What do you make of her trying to profit off of the recent threats?

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Its worth noting that 24 hours after her threats she posted this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504704140904505344

Typical. I was waiting for the bit where she cashes in on the event.

Why anyone would give money to her instead of to the homeless or anyone else who genuinely needs it is baffling to me. Useless waste of resources and efforts. The only good thing that comes from this women is the entertaining troll comments. And its not worth 160,00 USD to see that, especially when the I can find those on many other You Tube Videos.

Read some of the comments. Im paraphrasing but the one was "you got $160,000 for 12 videos, how much more do you need??"

I honestly cannot see how a morally conscious person can defend her, selection bias, fraud and the living embodiment of victim complex.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Its worth noting that 24 hours after her threats she posted this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504704140904505344

Typical. I was waiting for the bit where she cashes in on the event.

Why anyone would give money to her instead of to the homeless or anyone else who genuinely needs it is baffling to me. Useless waste of resources and efforts. The only good thing that comes from this women is the entertaining troll comments. And its not worth 160,00 USD to see that, especially when the I can find those on many other You Tube Videos.

Read some of the comments. Im paraphrasing but the one was "you got $160,000 for 12 videos, how much more do you need??"

I honestly cannot see how a morally conscious person can defend her, selection bias, fraud and the living embodiment of victim complex.

Basically the case it seems.

Where does the money go?

What are they accomplishing?

Whats the goal?

How much overall has been raised?

So many questions with no answers.

Correct me if im wrong but I couldnt find any of the info on the above. The situation is all red flag waving to me.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Its worth noting that 24 hours after her threats she posted this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504704140904505344

Typical. I was waiting for the bit where she cashes in on the event.

Why anyone would give money to her instead of to the homeless or anyone else who genuinely needs it is baffling to me. Useless waste of resources and efforts. The only good thing that comes from this women is the entertaining troll comments. And its not worth 160,00 USD to see that, especially when the I can find those on many other You Tube Videos.

Read some of the comments. Im paraphrasing but the one was "you got $160,000 for 12 videos, how much more do you need??"

I honestly cannot see how a morally conscious person can defend her, selection bias, fraud and the living embodiment of victim complex.

Basically the case it seems.

Where does the money go?

What are they accomplishing?

Whats the goal?

How much overall has been raised?

So many questions with no answers.

Correct me if im wrong but I couldnt find any of the info on the above. The situation is all red flag waving to me.

I always knew you were a misogynist (joke)

 Crablezworth wrote:
What do you make of her trying to profit off of the recent threats?

Nothing. Not going to give any money. I need it to spend it on video games and models .

Anyone else feel that the word misogyny gets thrown round rather too easily? If you abuse a woman you are not a misogynist. Misogyny means hatred of women. I'd say there are very few true misogynists about.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Its worth noting that 24 hours after her threats she posted this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504704140904505344

Typical. I was waiting for the bit where she cashes in on the event.

Why anyone would give money to her instead of to the homeless or anyone else who genuinely needs it is baffling to me. Useless waste of resources and efforts. The only good thing that comes from this women is the entertaining troll comments. And its not worth 160,00 USD to see that, especially when the I can find those on many other You Tube Videos.

Read some of the comments. Im paraphrasing but the one was "you got $160,000 for 12 videos, how much more do you need??"

I honestly cannot see how a morally conscious person can defend her, selection bias, fraud and the living embodiment of victim complex.

Basically the case it seems.

Where does the money go?

What are they accomplishing?

Whats the goal?

How much overall has been raised?

So many questions with no answers.

Correct me if im wrong but I couldnt find any of the info on the above. The situation is all red flag waving to me.

I always knew you were a misogynist (joke)

Now that im known for something... and its controversial, I think I can make myself some easy cash.


In all seriousness though, why are people defending her like she is doing some good or something? Just out of interest.

Im guessing they are focusing on the attacks on her and the attacks on modern (or third wave) feminism. If it doesn't fit their narrative you are ignored and immediately put into one of the scapegoats. Commonly the misuse of misogyny.

With Anita she can find anything sexist. Use her logic and ignore the stuff that counters the point and pick a random object around you. Its hilarious how it sounds exactly like her videos.




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 Swastakowey wrote:


Correct me if im wrong but I couldnt find any of the info on the above. The situation is all red flag waving to me.

Generally her defenders just scream "Ad Hominem!" like that suddenly cleanses her of any past action.


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 Bullockist wrote:
Anyone else feel that the word misogyny gets thrown round rather too easily? If you abuse a woman you are not a misogynist. Misogyny means hatred of women. I'd say there are very few true misogynists about.

Exceptionally so, we aren't even offended when its used incorrectly most of the time. It means hatred or distrust of women, which I believe is a very very small part of the population. I'm 100% for equality but you must accept the differences, weaknesses and strengths of each gender, because we are all different and its those differences that make things interesting in life. Im attracted to intelligence and independence, and constantly encourage those things, and this entire week Ive been labled some of the worst gak a guy can be labeled just for asking questions or providing talking points or evidence.

The point is I want you guys to be offended when that term is thrown at you and rationally logic bomb the other person with thought out evidence. You generally cant change someones mind, but that doesn't mean you have to stand for abuse.

So now that we've discovered this was all an elaborate way to make a semi-internet-popular talking head even MORE popular, does anyone want to take bets on when this'll devolve into insults and a lock?

I mean seriously, how can anyone side with this woman? She's a troll in the purest form and uses that to get what she wants from life. I don't care that she's a woman, I really don't, if it was a guy I'd say the same thing.

Like I said originally, this is sad.

Crablezworth wrote:Well, it's up to individual youtube users whether they wish to allow comments but silencing people because they might say something "bad" or simply something you don't like isn't great for fostering discussion. Did you perceive every commentor as hateful? Did you see a single case of valid criticism?

#1 I don't think those videos were posted to foster discussion on youtube (as mentioned before, youtube sucks for debating stuff)
#2 It's not a case of "might", but more like 99% of the comments being pointless vitriol and a depressing amount of hate. And it was a reaction to those comments, not a pre-emptive measure based on worst case. Worst case already happened.

Crablezworth wrote:That seems a bit prejudicial no? Isn't part of discussion and debate seeing what the other side has to say?

It is, but I don't see why someone should be listened to unless they present those arguments in a meaningful manner, rather than immediately trying to ridicule their opposition.

You know what that preview image of the video reminded me of? WW1 propaganda. That, and those photoshopped pictures of Obama as a soviet dictator.

I find that this sort of stuff generally says more about the people who create such messages, than what or who their message is directed at.

Maybe the video is intended as satire, which might justify the depiction in its own right. But since I am not agreeing with the depiction (and this thread right here reminds me of why I've come to think like this), there'd be no point in watching the rest of it.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:I hope that is not my Sarge Hartman video you are talking about.

Naah, that one has nothing to do with the debate. I just meant the one your post was a response to.

Who doesn't like FMJ?

Mechanical Crow wrote:selection bias, fraud and the living embodiment of victim complex

Contrary to the wise, totally unbiased and well-informed people of dakka, of course.

Mechanical Crow wrote:I'm 100% for equality but you must accept the differences, weaknesses and strengths of each gender, because we are all different and its those differences that make things interesting in life.

No. You must accept that every human being is different and should be judged based on their own, unique qualities, not some box you're forcing them into.

The "we are different" stuff is the same kind of crap renowned scientists and politicians used to say about black people some time ago in order to justify different treatment. We are all humans, and statistical averages, existing or not, do not warrant a label being applied to everyone. That kind of thinking hurts men and women alike, and humanity needs to shrug off this ridiculous desire to segregate itself into neatly arranged classes.

Crablezworth wrote:Basically 7:45 is a great starting point

Melissia wrote:The splash page alone makes me assume that video is worthless trash.

It doesn't disappoint.

From the 8:00 to the 12:00 minute marks, its actually not that bad.

I don't know what I just read http://kotaku.com/we-might-be-witnessing-the-death-of-an-identity-1628203079


Apparently all gamers are at fault, good to know.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

“A lot of video games include situations where a female character is powerless and must wait rescue from a male character” → Show tons of examples of games with this happening.
“A lot of movies include scenes with characters wearing red clothes” → Show tons of examples of movies with this happening.
Seems legit to me.

Yeah, except people wearing red clothes =/= mysogyny. Claiming all non-important characters wear red shirts is way less of a "critical analysis" than claiming all games with this trope are mysogynistic.

You are allowed to rant. But not on Dakka, we have a set of rules over here. Also not likely the best of idea.

My point was if she can make wild claims without backing them up, so can I.

 jreilly89 wrote:
If you're going to talk about tropes, how about main characters who are white?

Because:
a) that does not fit the definition of a trope, as far as I can tell, and most importantly
b) that is not what she told she was going to do when she asked for funds.
But do not misunderstand this as meaning it is not useful to raise awareness on that. Please, do some videos on it!

a) All white protagonists in video games could ABSOLUTELY be argued as a trope. It happens as much in the same vein as misogyny, and is racially motivated.
b) I'm using it as comparison. I know it isn't what she claimed to do, but I'm using it as a comparable argument.
Also, no, I'm no hack who needs to stir up gak where there is none.

Another stern talking too, because all gamers did this: http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/28/6078391/video-games-awful-week

http://blueplz.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/this-game-supports-more-than-two-players.html

And Discussion like this is why i like TB

Main problem discussing anything like this at moment is the polarisation of the topic so much that is devolves into us vs them too much to even have a proper discussion

ive fallen into the same trap many times and the biggest thing ive taken away from it is Empathy is the most important tool we have
May be time to use it a bit more

 Crablezworth wrote:
Another stern talking too, because all gamers did this: http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/28/6078391/video-games-awful-week

Everyon who ever touched a controller is at fault for this. For cereal guys