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i have 315 points left but i dont know what to get, another wraith knight?, fire prism? warwalkers? help

Since you are running the guardians I would combine them into bigger squads.

As to the remaining points, the eldar standbys of jetbikes and warp spiders are difficult to ignore. They fill the speed issue that your list carries.

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hows that look

Why star cannons on the wraithknight? He can only fire 2 weapons a turn.

He can only fire 2 weapons a turn but it makes him more versitile, te wraithguard cannons are good for anti vehicle but the star cannons are better against infantry, with his load out he can be useful no matter what army I face

Put the guardians in wave serpents.

Dont put guardians in wave serpents.. you would need to change the rest of the list too..

Im not going to say I spent a lot of time, calculating points or anything because i spent like 4 seconds on this..

I would try and remove the single serpent you have, as it is basically just a fire magnet.. and I would try and fit in 2 more squads of wraithguards.

Take the star cannons off your knight.. that is just silly.

You dont need disarming strike on the avatar either.

I would also try and combine the guardians into two 20 man squads or 3 15 man squads, you need the bodies.

Umm 2 squads of 15 is the same amount of bodies and squads that I have now...Why would I take wraithguard guard not in a wave serpant? They will attract fire all the same and their weapons are such short range they would never see combat, just a waste of a lot of points if you walk them

your entire army is walking, how do you really think a single wave serpent is going to do? at least when everything is walking they have to choose what to shoot at... Do what ever you want, either way your list wont win you any tournaments.

Well, I'd take 3x 10 Guardians for occupying objectives in your backfield as in the first list.
As said a single Serpent will be a viable target. I'd take 3 of them and add two stock Wraithknights.

ok lets try this again, i have 2 lists trying to take as much advice as i can lol, the second list i pretty much owne very thing for so that would be good if its competitive lol

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 theemporerprotectsnone wrote:
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Unless your meta is really tank heavy, swap the BL's for Scatter Lasers on at least the DA serpents (if not all three), the ones holding the DA are basically gunboats most of the time, meaning that you want S6/7 weight-of-fire more than the protective powers of the shield. The Wraith's WS could go either way, as you'll probably be jinking and using the shield defensively until they're dropped off.

Try and fit a single Scatter Laser onto the Suncannon WK, you're paying 300 ish points for some blasts, you want them to hit. Either by dropping fast shot and crushing blow from the Avatar, or swapping him entirely ('Seer, jetbike, spear, Mantle?).
Just my 2c.

Ok that makes sense, I'm really trying to void dropping the avatar I feel like he is harder to kill so helps deny the slay the warlord, plus I have the forge world avatar on order lol

 theemporerprotectsnone wrote:
plus I have the forge world avatar on order lol

It is a cool model. Mine doesn't tend to last long but I don't have any WK's to distract bigger guns. The problem you'll have is that he's slower than most of the army, and too short-ranged to hang back giving the guardians Fearless.
Another option would be dropping one of the BL platforms from the guardians to afford the WK SL, in which case deciding between BL's and SL's on the WSs becomes trickier.

Goodness, what a lot of abbreviations, sorry!

 theemporerprotectsnone wrote:
ok lets try this again, i have 2 lists trying to take as much advice as i can lol, the second list i pretty much owne very thing for so that would be good if its competitive lol

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This ones good, except for...
Mini seer council will die in a flash which gives him allot of kill points, and slay the warlord. Take one farseer, add jet bikes and mantle of the laughing god, and re-roll failed cover saves. This makes him near impossible to kill.
With extra points you could take another wave serpent, or fire prism. (I recommend serpent)

Then the obvious scatter laser wave serpent load out. Unload scatter lasers, shuiken cannon, and shield for a rediculous amount of strength 6-7 fire power.
See this http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/07/game-changers-the-wave-serpent/

Ok so how does the serpent work, like how far can it move and shoot and how many guns?does the shield count as shooting a gun as well?

Shooting the shield counts as firing a weapon - which is actually a benefit, as if it didn't it wouldn't gain Twin-Linked from the scatter laser's laser lock rule. As the serpent is a fast vehicle, it can move at combat speed and fire all three (turret, under-slung and shield) or cruising speed and fire 2 at full BS and snap-shot the third (normally the under-slung, remembering probably twin-linked from the scatter laser).

Wave serpents,or jet bikes.

I like the second list better. tl brightlances switch for scatter lasers and take the suncannon away from the wraithknight. maybe swap the fire prism for warp spiders or a dual bright lance wraithlord to tag team with your avatar or two dual bright lance warwalkers

Why every one hate suncannon? Seems good

It's awesome, but not as cost-effective as stock WK, since it's 60 points more expensive and a stock WK will fill the holes in your list with S10 36" guns and CC, Think about it this way, Wave Serpents, Spiders, bikes, mass anti-infantry firepower from your guardians, they're all amaaaaaaazing at killing infantry, even 2+ save infantry. Got forbid you get Misfortune and all those Scatterlasers/Serpent shields are now suddenly rending. You don't really need Misfortune, but when you get it as Eldar vs a TEQ army, you almost don't even have to deploy.

But things Eldar do have serious problem with is AV13+ spam, which those Heavy Wraithcannons and those S10 attacks are perfect for dispatching.

It's easy to look at units in a vacuum, Suncannon WK will kill more points than a stock WK, even enough to justify the 60 points extra. But while you're happily killing those infantry, a LR is rushing toward your lines and nothing in your army has as good an answer to that than if you had a stock WK. Synergy is more important than individual unit's firepower, except in few extreme cases such as SL/SC/Serpent Shield Wave Serpents. But such cases are rare and they have hard-counters out there that a more balanced, synergistic list wouldn't have.

ok so here is where we are at and it seems pretty solid so i think this maybe the final revision, btw thanks for all the help every one

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i am really torn taking another wraith knight tho cus i really wanted the fire prism to work lol

lool you really want that suncannon wraithknight eh?

Here's some useful things that you could get instead for 300 points, just some food for thought:

- waveserpent with wraithguards carrying wraithcannons
- 2x 7 warpspiders or swooping hawks with exarch
- 5 dual shuriken cannon vypers
- 6 fire dragons in a falcon or waveserpent
- a fire prism and 7 warpspiders or swooping hawks
- 3 dual scatter laser warwalkers with holofields

I think the warwalkers would be good and that leaves you with some points to beef up the numbers in your avenger squads

i got the sun cannon wk off of some one so i dont have the bits to change him lol

of your post with 2 lists, the first was by far the better list.

As ninja stated the seer council is too small, that is my only complaint, get it up to 8+ bodies and that might win you a tournament.

chadbrochill17 wrote:
of your post with 2 lists, the first was by far the better list.

As ninja stated the seer council is too small, that is my only complaint, get it up to 8+ bodies and that might win you a tournament.

like this? it seems solid

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