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Although I am not sure what could possibly come close to Nagash. Maybe a daemon primarch or a really powerful living saint? Some avatar of the hive mind? But I would really like another grand campaign which does a lot with the lore like Eye of Terror and unique models are always cool.

Escalation has already happened in 40k. We also got baneblades/ stompas years ago.

And Daemons already got their own summoning spells!

I think it depends on how successful The End Times will be for WHFB. They're advancing the story, which is something people have been begging for in both settings for a long time. Now it's time to see whether advancement is actually a good thing!

The difficulty for a 40K Time of Ending would lie in the antagonists. 40K is really spoiled for choice there: all the necrons could wake up and join forces, a powerful C'tan might re-assemble itself, the tyranids could all get here, the orks could begin their great Waaagh!, Abaddon could shatter the Cadian Gate... The list goes on and on. Before a true Time of Ending campaign can begin, the studio would have to pick up one main force to be the antagonist.

Or they could just kill of the Emperor and go from there. The thing is, doing that would basically destroy the IoM. Not a smart move when the majority of players have armies belonging to that faction...

Or the Emperor (or some Primarchs) could return?

ImAGeek wrote:
Or the Emperor (or some Primarchs) could return?

Abbadon would FINALLY shatter Cadia? Seriously, we had him do it before and they turned back the clock, actual plot advancement would be amazing.

It makes less sense for 40k because 40k is doing fairly well. Fantasy's sales have lagged for years now and so they needed an excuse to overhaul the systems and bring back interest.

Well, fantasy isn't as restricted with the plot because it doesn't have to be set during the 41st millennium. This wouldn't be a problem if every single event wasn't happening in year 999....

I meant the idea of having one central antagonist and villain as part of a broader story with an awesome model. Not adding Baneblades and Wraithknights.


The problem with chaos is that a super big antagonist would overshadow Abaddon. ie If they wanted to put a daemon primarch in as an antagonist. IMO they are one of the few 40k lore things that you could get the same level of interest and power level that Nagash has. Lorgar, Mortarion, Fulgrim or Angron would all be good candidates. Lorgar especially because he essentially caused the HH and represents chaos undivided.

Necrons. Ctan aren't impossible. But it would be almost exactly the same story as Ngash. Or if they did the Silent King as a super powerful Necron leader. New overlord comes and rests control off old lords (tomb Kings). So I can't see GW doing the exact same story for 40k. Plus, the stuff with the Silent King and ctan is all very new fluff not familiar to most.

Nids don't really lend themselves to having one big super leader and it would be hard to avoid it being very generic. Nagash had the advantage of being well established and central to the lore. Any nid invention wouldn't have that.

On the Imperial side...

I know that End Times is focusing on Nagash and the antagonist. But, its not impossible that with the 40k one they focus on the Imperium and the good guys. Since the Time of Ending has already been established in 40k lore with all the various threats they could focus instead on what the Imperium does about it. A primarch returning is I think unlikely. With FW doing all of the primarchs I just can't see them stepping on their toes by doing Russ or the Lion. A living saint (ala Sabbat) would be nice IMO but extremely unlikely and it would have to rely on a Valten type storyline of the Emperor being potentially reborn. PLus same problems as Necrons and Nids; they need an established and popular character for it to work in 40k.


So yeah IMO Daemon Primarch is the most likely.

Massive centerpiece models that towers over 28mm figures? Dude, that happened long time ago with Riptides, Stompah's, Baneblade's etc.
It isn't if 40k gets the Nagash Treatment, it's Fantasy that gets the Apocalypse/Escalation treatment.

 Mumblez wrote:
Or they could just kill of the Emperor and go from there. The thing is, doing that would basically destroy the IoM. Not a smart move when the majority of players have armies belonging to that faction...

What better way to get the majority of players to change their army now then eh?

 Zewrath wrote:
Massive centerpiece models that towers over 28mm figures? Dude, that happened long time ago with Riptides, Stompah's, Baneblade's etc.
It isn't if 40k gets the Nagash Treatment, it's Fantasy that gets the Apocalypse/Escalation treatment.

No. or the love of gawd, no.

I love the state Fantasy is in right now. No allies, except from this new supplement. And no Lords of War. Plus, I feel Fantasy is by far more fluff driven.

I also don't hope this happens to 40k, because we all know it would be centered around Space Marines and the Imperium, and I don't think they need anymore attention. Especially since Xenos would just be the evil races that need to be purged. No thanks.

40k advancing in timeline would be great. 40k existing doesn't mean you can't fight in 30k. 41k existing wouldn't mean you couldn't still fight in 40k. Advancing the storyline means we'll still be able to play 40k if we want, but we'll also get access to whatever happens in 41k+ just like when Horus Heresy was launched. It doesn't need to be one archenemy, it should be a culmination of many things - necrons rising, tyranids swarming, and the imperium getting something to help it keep up - primarch(s) returning, the omega vault opening and doing something nice for them, whatever. Heaps of things that could happen to advance the storyline without causing it to end. Is GW capable of doing it well anymore? All signs point to no sadly imo.

It could even be used as a ghetto reboot - the omega vault opens and inside is wisdom from the emperor and the secrets to understanding imperium technology. The Imperium uses it to revitalise their society to an extent just in time for all feth to break loose so they have a chance to hold back the 'nids, 'crons, abaddon, whatever. Keep it grim dark still of course.

It could be cleverly done... Chaos rising, Nids pushing in, and Crons doing stuff.

The "good guys" (Eldar, Tau, Imperium), could forge alliances of at least opportunity, and then set up a cascading series of events to stave off "The End" but still cause a commotion. The Eldar could push the Necrons back along a front that brunts the advance of the Tyranids (no biological fuel sources!) and bait them with an Ork Waagh! This turned Hive Fleet then flanks right into the Chaos fleets side and starts munching the spikey, spicey burrito. All this while the Imperium is getting pounded, the Tau are dealing with a heightened internal conflict as Ethereals are "X" with both Farsight and Shadowsun teaming up. They aid in staving off the Dark Eldar from sabotaging the entire plan for some illgotten gains or knife twisting revenge on their pointy eared kin.

Throw in a few heroic sacrifices to grease the gears, some relics recovered to change some fronts, a new name or two and Bob's Your Uncle.

Abaddon fails and flys off screaming "Curse you Gadget!", all the Guardsmen get eaten, Orks are confused about a five front war and get split into five separate WAAGHS by the respect warbosses. The Tau have to lick wounds, the Eldar have a push against the Necrons (that only heightens their return schedule) and the Tyranids got razed by all... for now.

That's at least on par with GW writing these days, so there yah go, Kirby. Have at it.

 Zewrath wrote:
Massive centerpiece models that towers over 28mm figures? Dude, that happened long time ago with Riptides, Stompah's, Baneblade's etc.
It isn't if 40k gets the Nagash Treatment, it's Fantasy that gets the Apocalypse/Escalation treatment.

Nagash isn't just a centrepiece model that any joe army can take. Hes a special character who is central to an entire campaign which advances the story. Not just a big monster or a big tank or take as much stuff as you want. Thats something which has not happened in 40k yet. They've toyed with camapigns with Sanctus Reach; we'll just have to wait and see if they can do anything cool with 40k.

But yeah it would be awesome if they did something like Nagash and added a daemon primarch. Perhaps its a seperate assault to the 13th Black Crusade but emerges at the same time and in a different part of the galaxy?

lol I was talking to my friend earlier and he suggested as a joke "what if Horus came back?". :O

 Mumblez wrote:
The difficulty for a 40K Time of Ending would lie in the antagonists. 40K is really spoiled for choice there: all the necrons could wake up and join forces, a powerful C'tan might re-assemble itself, the tyranids could all get here, the orks could begin their great Waaagh!, Abaddon could shatter the Cadian Gate... The list goes on and on. Before a true Time of Ending campaign can begin, the studio would have to pick up one main force to be the antagonist.

I want to see all of this at once. The Eldar have been preparing for that moment for millinuim...

Well there is the HH..

And they do have Primarchs and Horus..

Ok, its inevitable that they will include The Emperor at some point..

Forgeworld is already doing HH.

Regular GW is 41st millenium.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:
Massive centerpiece models that towers over 28mm figures? Dude, that happened long time ago with Riptides, Stompah's, Baneblade's etc.
It isn't if 40k gets the Nagash Treatment, it's Fantasy that gets the Apocalypse/Escalation treatment.

Nagash isn't just a centrepiece model that any joe army can take. Hes a special character who is central to an entire campaign which advances the story. Not just a big monster or a big tank or take as much stuff as you want. Thats something which has not happened in 40k yet. They've toyed with camapigns with Sanctus Reach; we'll just have to wait and see if they can do anything cool with 40k.

But yeah it would be awesome if they did something like Nagash and added a daemon primarch. Perhaps its a seperate assault to the 13th Black Crusade but emerges at the same time and in a different part of the galaxy?

lol I was talking to my friend earlier and he suggested as a joke "what if Horus came back?". :O

Hehe, I do admit that I am fond of your enthusiasm and I sincerely hope that you aren't wrong on this matter, however, I heard talk about GW wanting to put a lot of effort into fantasy, which usually means effort from a commercial point of view. I wouldn't be surprised if they launched a new video featuring Jervis Johnson on how the new rules are more "free" and less "restricting", which only translates into allies, stupidly powerful and big miniatures and little to no play tested rules. I could be wrong though. Looking at the current balance in fantasy, and knowing that GW made the rules for that current edition I'm nothing short of amazed on how they actually achieved that, compared to the former train wrecks (especially 6th) that passed as rule books for 40k. So yeah, I could be wrong about fantasy.

The purpose of rules is to be restrictions. That is what they are.

Without rules you just go back to the childhood state of shouting, "You're dead", "You missed", and so on.

Baneblade, stompa, imperial knight, I think WFB just got the 40k treatment.

I think if they where gonna give 40k the Nagash treatment, it'd almost need to be a (or more) Deamon Primach(s) they're really the only thing that strikes me as the "obvious choice" here. thing is if GW choose not to advance the timeline they could STILL do something like this with a campaign, they could, just for example, do a "1st war for armageddon" sure we know how it ends but the excitement of scenerios etc revolving around it could be pretty cool. and it'd involve a fair number of armies in it. IG, Space Wolves, Grey Knights and Inqusition on one side, and on the other Chaos Deamons and Chaos Marines lead by Angron.

I'd be excited

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:
Massive centerpiece models that towers over 28mm figures? Dude, that happened long time ago with Riptides, Stompah's, Baneblade's etc.
It isn't if 40k gets the Nagash Treatment, it's Fantasy that gets the Apocalypse/Escalation treatment.

Nagash isn't just a centrepiece model that any joe army can take. Hes a special character who is central to an entire campaign which advances the story. Not just a big monster or a big tank or take as much stuff as you want. Thats something which has not happened in 40k yet. They've toyed with camapigns with Sanctus Reach; we'll just have to wait and see if they can do anything cool with 40k.

But yeah it would be awesome if they did something like Nagash and added a daemon primarch. Perhaps its a seperate assault to the 13th Black Crusade but emerges at the same time and in a different part of the galaxy?

lol I was talking to my friend earlier and he suggested as a joke "what if Horus came back?". :O

It was called the Eye of Terror Campaign...ya know the point in 40k history that GW rewound to in last edition? Someone called "DO OVERS!" back to an excellent bit of fluff/writing, and we all seem to forget the real, original write/send-in campaign.

With some luck, the eye of terror will open once more, and the 13th black crusade will move forward from cadia.

Honestly they just need to find the warp-inhibitor necron artifact that's on cadia, brake it, and cadia will fall completely.

Chaos roflstomping Cadia would be a good excuse to relaunch the Cadian line with models that *aren't* gak.

The Cadian gate would be conquered and the Emperor could truly die and the Imperium wouldn't instantly die.

The IoM is so vast and powerful that even without these two things, its death would be a gradual process taking place over most likely thousands of years. It's also worth noting that the Astronomicon isn't required for warp travel- it just makes it a lot more reliable. The Imperium was using warp travel before the astronomicon or the Emperor were around.

Even if Abaddon were to conquer Cadia, he would have to fight his way to Terra, with the Imperium fighting him for every inch. It would take centuries at the least for Abaddon to establish enough of a beach-head to make war on Terra.

I would be in favor of the Emperor dying and even the Cadian gate falling in exchange for some of the Primarchs reappearing. Neither of the prior two changes would have any tangible effect on the product line (even with the Emperor's death, he'd still be worshiped, and even with Cadia overrun, there are still billions of Cadians in the Galaxy).

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The purpose of rules is to be restrictions. That is what they are.

Without rules you just go back to the childhood state of shouting, "You're dead", "You missed", and so on.

Uhm? Don't we do that now?

If it does, I want a Void Dragon event. A whole C'tan is something I've seen people yearning for and you could really make a kickass model out of an ancient eldritch techno dragon.

Bringing back a Primarch and having an event centered around a Daemon Prince Primarch would be pretty nifty, too.

zeromaeus wrote:
If it does, I want a Void Dragon event. A whole C'tan is something I've seen people yearning for and you could really make a kickass model out of an ancient eldritch techno dragon.

Bringing back a Primarch and having an event centered around a Daemon Prince Primarch would be pretty nifty, too.

Then could make it so that Vulkan He'Stan actually succeeds in his quest and thus brings back Vulkan (the primarch, that is).
Meanwhile, some of the daemon primarchs could rise up and actually get gak done.